Saving Faith in Christ is not Faith Alone in Christ

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Rom 11:8
(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
Your refusal to learn os your problem.
Nope? That's what you say to Jesus beaten, striped, and bleeding to death on a cross because of our sinning?

Have you stopped your sinning against Jesus? Nope.

Do you still sin against Jesus? Yep.

So much for the half-hearted fervor of Faith Alone apart from works.

1 Peter{1:22}
Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:


Seeing ye have not purified your souls in wholly obeying the truth through the Spirit unto feigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a half-heart lukewarmly:


And here we go with the standard Faith Alone supplements to justify still doing evil works. Let's count:

#1. Still do evil, just not like before.

Rev 3:15
I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.


The problem with Christian Faith Alone in Christ is the "Better-Homes-and-Gardens" Christianity. It's certainly better than riotous living, but is not the pure religion of whole-hearted repentance and faith toward God in Jesus Christ:

Jas 1:27
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.


1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God is not sinning; but he that is begotten of God is keeping himself, and that wicked one is touching him not.




#2. A childish redefinition of sinning against God, into a 'slip-up'.

And, they slip up like all Faith Alone Christians.

But not like everyone, because saints know if we sin against our Lord, we are worthy of the same condemnation and death as anyone doing evil. And, not only the saints, but there are also responsible unbelievers, that know when they do evil, it's not just a slip-up oopsie.


You mean slip up, and oops I'm sorry about that...

Jerem 3:10
And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah hath not turned unto me with her whole heart, but feignedly, saith the LORD.

Hosea{7:8}
Ephraim, he hath mixed himself among the people; Ephraim is a cake not turned.





#3: Everyone is doing it.

Faith Alone justification for doing evil, demands that everyone must still be doing evil the same as themselves. Else their Faith Alone doesn't justify them with God, when doing evil like the world, but not like the pure religion saints of God.

It's the error of trusting in numbers to justify the deeds.

Mat 22:14
For many are called, but few are chosen.


Safety in numbers of evil doers didn't work in the flood, wherein only 8 souls were saved, and won't work in the judgment, wehn only the righteous are saved:

Mat 24:37
But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.


1 John{3:7}
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that is doing righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.




Save from what? Certainly not from doing unrighteous works.

Rev 22:10
And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

4: Faith Alone saves from condemnation of doing evil, not from doing evil.

Rom 2:3
And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?...For there is no respect of persons with God.




#5: Redefine perfection by Jesus Christ, in order to justify not being made perfect by Faith Alone.

Eph 4:26
Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:


Being angry is not sinning, but only doing evil by anger. Jesus was not sinning when being angry with the fault-finding of the Jew's leaders, nor when lashing the covetous out of the temple.

God is angry with anyone doing evil at any time, without respect of persons.

Psa 7:11
God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.
Still you persist in misrepresenting “faith alone”.
 
In my previous experience as a hack cabbie, I picked up a young man. He saw my Bible
and we started discussing it. He claimed he was 'holiness' variety, so I politely asked:
"What happens when you get angry with your wife?" Oh, he said, that is just a mistake.

So much for 'No sin' with "faith PLUS works", eh?

And, precious friend, Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:


The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.
 
You don't get it, do you? If you are born again, you are acceptable in the beloved. You died and your life is hidden in Christ with God. Behaviour makes no difference.
You can try telling that to Jesus Christ today. But the day comes when no man tells Him anything by their own Faith Alone:

1 Peter {1:15}
But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; {1:16} Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work,

In any case, thank you for the clarification. I always save these plain declarations about Faith Alone apart from works. The old hypocrisy of inward religion separated from outward living.

Either you are in heaven now or you remain dead in trespass and sin. This is done by God the moment you accept Christ.
And yes, I've also heard this soul-separation mysticism, where the old 'dead' body remains on earth doing whatsoever good or evil it will. While the soul is already transported forever to heaven.

It's the mystical conclusion of the soul having Faith Alone, separated from works of the body. With the childish excuse, that it's only the body's fault for doing bad...

2Ti 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

While it's true in a relative sense, that people can believe, that they are in heaven or hell on earth. No one is in heaven nor hell, while still on earth. I.e. the body.

If the bodies are dead in sins and trespasses, it's because of the souls are doing evil with the body, not the body without the soul.

Co 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
 
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I'll say it again, if you imagine that you obey Christ in all things perfectly, you are deluded.
I'll quote it again, if you imagine that no one obeys Christ in all things perfectly, you are deluded by your own disobedient Faith Alone.

1Pe 5:10
But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

Heb 13:20
Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

1 Thess{5:22}
Abstain from all appearance of evil. And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.


Jde 1:24
Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.


Those who judge all people by their own disobedience alone, are falsely judging by their own bad faith alone:

Tit 1:15
Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.


If every believer was already living perfectly, most of the New Testament would be irrelevant.

If every believer was already living perfectly, what believer would argue against it?

And yet, The warnings and judgments to believers naming Christ, while disobeying Him, would not be irrelevant. They would still remain as the good judgments to warn the righteous, not to cease doing good in the name of Jesus Christ.

Eze 18:24
If the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, and does according to the abomination that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

And, if believers are doing evil by their Faith Alone in Christ, and reject the warnings to forsake their evil doing, then they remain relevant despite unbelief:

Rom 3:3
For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Because they remain relevant toward judgment to come:
Deu 4:25
When thou shalt beget children, and children's children, and ye shall have remained long in the land, and shall corrupt yourselves, and make a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, and shall do evil in the sight of the LORD thy God, to provoke him to anger:

I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed.

Deu 30:19
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
 
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No genuine believer loves to sin.

Nor intends to, no doubt. And yet still does.

1Pe 3:11
Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it. For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.

Heb 1:9
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.


Faith in Jesus Christ is not about not loving to sin, but hating evil. It's not about sinning without liking it, but only about not doing the evil.

"I didn't mean or want to", is excuse for children of disobedience, but not with God.

Rom 2:3
And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?...For there is no respect of persons with God.


Nah 1:3
The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, but will not at all acquit the wicked:

Anyone who says He has no sin is a liar.

Anyone walking in darkness who says He has no sin is a liar.

1Jo 1:6
If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

1Jo 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.


Anyone walking in the light as He is in the light, has no sin in Him at all.

1Jo 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

1Jo 3:5
And ye know that He was manifested to take away our sins; and in Him is no sin.


Anyone who says he has sin in Jesus Christ is a liar, and the truth of Jesus Christ is not in him.

Many are bound by sin because they do not realise the victory that is theirs in Christ.

All having Faith Alone are bound by sin, because none have the victory of the faith not to sin, that is only in Jesus Christ.

Jhn 8:34
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever is committing sin is the servant of sin.

Everyone having Faith Alone in Christ are bound to sin, because their Faith Alone believes all men will sin. Therefore, by their Faith Alone they have no power to only do righteousness.

While Faith Alone does good and evil, whether liking it or not. The faith that is in Jesus Christ only does good, and not evil.


I don't know what point you are trying to make. Are you sinning yourself and trying to divert attention away from it?

I know what point you are making. You are sinning yourself and keep pointing it out. While trying to divert attention away from it by accusing everyone of sinning like you. And trying to justify it by your Faith Alone.

I only point to them that are doing no evil, while you point to accuse all of evil doing.

The finger pointer has three fingers pointing back at himself.

The finger of Scripture I quote points to all men, without respect of persons.
 
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Anyone walking in the light as He is in the light, has no sin in Him at all.

1Jo 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Why would someone who "has no sin in him at all" need the blood of Jesus to cleanse him from sin?
 
All of the condemnation you throw at others is laughably misguided.
I only give the Scriptures of having faith in Jesus Christ to do good, and not evil. You do not show by any Scriptures, that Jesus' faith is not only with good works, and also with evil doing.

Instead, you only reject the righteous faith of Jesus in Scripture, by your own Faith Alone, by which you declare your own continued sinful works, rather than not only doing good.

Since you now speak of being condemned, then you can thank the Scriptures for convicting your continued bad deeds. If you choose to stand by your Faith Alone and laugh, rather than repent of all your sinning and transgressing, then that's your choice:

Ezek 18:31
Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?



Pro 1:24
But, Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof: I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh; When your fear cometh as desolation, and your
 
you do not know what the righteousness of the saints is
I only know what the Scriptures declare of the righteousness of God is, and who the righteous saints are.

1 John{3:7}
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that is doing righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.


2Co 13:7
Now I pray to God that ye do no evil; not that we should appear approved, but that ye should do that which is honest, though we be as reprobates.

No one doing unrighteousness and evil, is righteous and approved of God.

1 John{2:29} I
If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that is doing righteousness is born of him.


Only those doing God's righteousness are His righteous saints:

2Co 3:12
Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:

and yet you demand the impossible

And so, by your own Faith Alone, you declare the Scripture's demand is impossible to do Jesus' righteousness, and be a righteous saint as He is.



That you yourself are unable to perform.
And by your own Faith Alone, you also declare no one else can do God's righteousness as Jesus does.

Rom 10:16
But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report…For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written,

Psa 106:3
Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that is doing righteousness at all times.


The only perfectly righteous one is Jesus.

God's blessed righteousness is righteous at all times.

1 Peter{1:14}
As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.


God's true holiness is holy at all times.

God's obedient righteous and holy saints do His righteousness and live holy as He in all manners of life.

Only those who are in Christ have His righteousness.

Only those doing God's righteousness have Jesus' righteousness and true holiness.

No one doing unrighteousness, is a righteous saint of the true God and Jesus Christ.

1Jo 3:10
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever is doing unrighteousness is not of God.

Anyone doing unrighteousness by their Faith Alone, is not by the one righteous faith of Jesus Christ, but by a faith alone in another Christ.

Eph 4:2
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.


Mark 13:22
For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.


You ignore the many scriptures that contradict your position.
So far, the only contradiction to the Scriptures I give, are by someone's own Faith Alone to do evil, and not only good.


This is one of the many:
Galatians 2:16
".....know that a man is not justified by works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified."

Works of the law without faith justifies no man. Neither works of a faith that can be boasted of:

Eph{2:8}
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.


And no man is justified by any faith without works, that is dead, being alone.

James{2:14}
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone...Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Eph 2 preaches, that the faith of God is with works of grace, and is not any faith with works to boast of. So far, the contradictions have been made by preaching that their Faith Alone without works is not dead, but is of their Christ.

Gal 1:7
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received by me, let him be accursed.
 
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You are depending on your own Faith Alone, to reject anything your faith alone doesn't agree with. Without showing any error in the argument.



God does, and shows it in Scripture, so that we can know it too:

James{2:14}
What [doth it] profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?...Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.




True. And only those who do works that please God, have His faith of heart to love pleasing Him.

Anyone doing evil, has no faith nor love of God within. And if anyone doing evil has Faith Alone in Christ, then their faith is not in Jesus Christ the righteous.



Correct. Anyone pleasing self to do evil, is without Christ, whether having any Faith Alone in Christ or not.

Or, Are you saying anyone having Faith Alone in Christ is always doing good, and does no evil deed? Or, Are you saying anyone having Faith Alone in Christ does good, and also does evil?

Do you have Faith Alone in Christ? Do you do any evil work? If you are doing evil, are you justified by your Faith Alone in Christ?

Rom 2:3
And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?...For there is no respect of persons with God.



Only good works are the result of Jesus' saving faith.

Are you saying evil works are also result of Jesus' saving faith, or only good works? If only good works, then evil works are not a result of having Jesus' saving faith.

And so anyone doing evil may only have their faith Alone in Christ, but not saving faith in Jesus Christ.

2Ti 4:18
And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.




If your Faith Alone imagines that you or anyone else is saved by your Faith Alone while in disobedience, you are deluded.

And, If your Faith Alone imagines that no one is made perfect and blameless by faith in Jesus Christ, only because you or anyone else is not made perfect and blameless by your Faith Alone. You are decieved by your own Faith Alone.

1Pe 5:10
But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

Heb 13:20
Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.


1 Thess{5:22}
Abstain from all appearance of evil. And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.


Jde 1:24
Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.


Your Faith Alone in Christ does not believe these Scriptures of Jesus Christ. By your Faith lone, you do not believe anyone by the faith of Jesus Christ, can be made perfect and live blameless unto the coming of the Lord Jesus.

You can repent of your own Faith Alone, and believe the gospel of Jesus' saving faith, that is from all evil doing:

Mark{1:15}
The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.


2Ti 4:18
And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Do you realise what you are saying? Do you even ve
Amen.

Responding good. Believing only not good.

1 John 3:17
But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
If your bowels are shut, take a laxative.
 
I only give the Scriptures of having faith in Jesus Christ to do good, and not evil. You do not show by any Scriptures, that Jesus' faith is not only with good works, and also with evil doing.
I'm not interested in responding to your carefully crafted silly questions.

Instead, you only reject the righteous faith of Jesus in Scripture, by your own Faith Alone, by which you declare your own continued sinful works, rather than not only doing good.
Or silly insults.

Since you now speak of being condemned, then you can thank the Scriptures for convicting your continued bad deeds. If you choose to stand by your Faith Alone and laugh, rather than repent of all your sinning and transgressing, then that's your choice:
Yawn.
 
You can try telling that to Jesus Christ today. But the day comes when no man tells Him anything by their own Faith Alone:

1 Peter {1:15}
But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; {1:16} Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work,


In any case, thank you for the clarification. I always save these plain declarations about Faith Alone apart from works. The old hypocrisy of inward religion separated from outward living.


And yes, I've also heard this soul-separation mysticism, where the old 'dead' body remains on earth doing whatsoever good or evil it will. While the soul is already transported forever to heaven.

It's the mystical conclusion of the soul having Faith Alone, separated from works of the body. With the childish excuse, that it's only the body's fault for doing bad...

2Ti 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

While it's true in a relative sense, that people can believe, that they are in heaven or hell on earth. No one is in heaven nor hell, while still on earth. I.e. the body.

If the bodies are dead in sins and trespasses, it's because of the souls are doing evil with the body, not the body without the soul.

Co 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
You have no idea as to what it means to be saved.
 
It's always good to hear the reinforcing of the meats of Christian faith, rather than all the many words of having faith and intents and desires, without the doing.

2Co 8:11
Now therefore perform the doing of it; that as there was a readiness to will, so there may be a performance also out of that which ye have.

Faith with intents and desires and will to do, is all well and good for the one believing. But only the doing of it is justified and blessed of God with man.

The flesh (first birth) is weak. The spirit is willing, so ask Father for the new you from Daddy, PaPa, Father in Son for us to love all, no more just those that seem well to us.
Ask, PaPa, Father, Daddy. Since you believe and stand in this belief, to learn new from Daddy, PaPa, Father, you will
John 8:32
and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Now more entangled with a yoke of bondage. So if you are presently in bondage, turn to PaPa, hear truth over errors and be new in trust to Father God in risen Son Jesus given you
 
The saying “faith alone” doesn’t mean there are no works.

Faith Alone without works, doesn't mean there are no works? Then how can Faith be Alone when there are works? As Paul would then say, Alone is no more alone. Or, works are no more works.

And so here we so the whole nonsensical illusion of having Faith Alone, whether without or with works.

1: Faith Alone without works: Faith Alone cannot be without works, while doing works. Therefore Faith Alone without works, must be without doing anything, else work is not more doing.

The only way to have Faith Alone without works, is not to practice and live by that Faith Alone. Faith must remain Alone without doing any work, else that Faith is no more alone:

Therefore, Having Faith Alone without works is having Faith only on the inside, and not lived on the outside. The hypocrisy of saved on the inside, not on the outside...For they say, and do not.

2: Faith Alone with works: Faith Alone where there are works, is not Faith Alone without works, else Alone is not alone, but is with works.

Therefore, Saving Faith Alone with works, is not having Faith Alone, but is having salvation by Faith with works.
 
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