Can we happy in heaven if we know are loved ones are in hell

[Jordon]

In this sermon we get clear instruction as to why Jesus never created people to go to hell.

Fear not was the words Jesus spoke the most when he spoke to people, knowing we suffer internally anxiously.

In this sermon we get clear instruction as to why the second death takes place.

My belief is Jesus never created people to go to hell. And people will not be in eternal hell. The second death is the end

 

[Jordon]

So the key point to both sermons for all those in heaven and hell,

Is all tears will be wiped away.

 

[Luke1710]

So the key point to both sermons for all those in heaven and hell,

Is all tears will be wiped away.

There is another possibility.
When we see Him, we will be like Him.
God is as perfectly just as He is merciful.

 

[Lovette]

Nobody goes to either heaven or hell, all goes to Sheol/Hades/underworld, which is often translated as "hell" but not exactly the same. Lord Jesus rested in the grave for about two and a half days, so is every human being, either good or bad. Every dead person is "gathered to his (or her) people" -

Then Abraham breathed his last and died in a good old age, an old man and full of years, and was gathered to his people. (Gen. 25:8)
These were the years of the life of Ishmael: one hundred and thirty-seven years; and he breathed his last and died, and was gathered to his people. (Gen. 25:17)
when Jacob had finished commanding his sons, he drew his feet up into the bed and breathed his last, and was gathered to his people. (Gen. 49:33)
Go up this mountain of the Abarim, Mount Nebo, which is in the land of Moab, across from Jericho; view the land of Canaan, which I give to the children of Israel as a possession; and die on the mountain which you ascend, and be gathered to your people, just as Aaron your brother died on Mount Hor and was gathered to his people; (Deut. 49-50)

The correct order is that, all the dead goes to the grave, when Jesus returns, the saved are resurrected, the unsaved stay dead (Rev. 20:1-5) until the end of the millennial reign; after that, the saved live forever in New Jerusalem - which is the NEW heaven and the NEW earth, the unsaved are judged and cast into the Lake of Fire for eternity. "Heaven" and "hell" in common understanding are references of New Jerusalem and the Lake of Fire.

The only biblical evidence for the heaven/hell dichotomy is the story of Lazarus and the rich man separated by the great chasm, one can argue that Lazarus's side is "heavenesque", the rich man's side is "hellesque". Jesus promised the thief that he would go to "paradise" TODAY, while on that day Jesus went to Hades, the only logical conclusion is that "paradise" is the "heavenesque" section in Hades.

 

[ewq1938]

Nobody goes to either heaven or hell, all goes to Sheol/Hades/underworld, which is often translated as "hell" but not exactly the same. Lord Jesus rested in the grave for about two and a half days, so is every human being, either good or bad. Every dead person is "gathered to his (or her) people" -

Then Abraham breathed his last and died in a good old age, an old man and full of years, and was gathered to his people. (Gen. 25:8)
These were the years of the life of Ishmael: one hundred and thirty-seven years; and he breathed his last and died, and was gathered to his people. (Gen. 25:17)
when Jacob had finished commanding his sons, he drew his feet up into the bed and breathed his last, and was gathered to his people. (Gen. 49:33)
Go up this mountain of the Abarim, Mount Nebo, which is in the land of Moab, across from Jericho; view the land of Canaan, which I give to the children of Israel as a possession; and die on the mountain which you ascend, and be gathered to your people, just as Aaron your brother died on Mount Hor and was gathered to his people; (Deut. 49-50)

The correct order is that, all the dead goes to the grave, when Jesus returns, the saved are resurrected, the unsaved stay dead (Rev. 20:1-5) until the end of the millennial reign; after that, the saved live forever in New Jerusalem - which is the NEW heaven and the NEW earth, the unsaved are judged and cast into the Lake of Fire for eternity. "Heaven" and "hell" in common understanding are references of New Jerusalem and the Lake of Fire.

NJ is inside of heaven. It is not heaven itself. The eternity is spent on the new Earth rather than heaven anyways and people are shown traveling to NJ on the new Earth so not all even live in NJ.

Three places are called hell in the bible and the LOF is one of them so heaven and hell are real, and are opposites.

 

[Lovette]

NJ is inside of heaven. It is not heaven itself. The eternity is spent on the new Earth rather than heaven anyways and people are shown traveling to NJ on the new Earth so not all even live in NJ.

Three places are called hell in the bible and the LOF is one of them so heaven and hell are real, and are opposites.

Well we have to wait 1000 plus years for that. Until the second coming, all go down to the grave.

And yes, there're three places - Hades, the grave, realm of the dead; Gehenna, a real location near Jerusalem where trash and dead bodies were being burned, historically the valley of Hinnom for child sacrifice; and the Lake of Fire, where evil spirits suffer for eternity. To visualize the Lake of fire, below is the infamous Darvasa gas crater, which has been burning for more than half a century.

https://www.cnn.com/travel/turkmenistan-flaming-gates-of-hell-darvaza

 

[tablet123]

In this sermon we get clear instruction as to why Jesus never created people to go to hell.

Fear not was the words Jesus spoke the most when he spoke to people, knowing we suffer internally anxiously.

My belief is Jesus never created people to go to hell. And people will not be in eternal hell. The second death is the end

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

When the saints get to the New Jerusalem they will not remember the old earth and heaven and what went on there and it will not come to their mind for it is associated with sin and rebellion.

And they will not remember the people.

So they will not be sad for those who were lost.

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.

Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Jesus said the wicked go to hell.

Psa 63:9 But those that seek my soul, to destroy it, shall go into the lower parts of the earth.

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat,

the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Hell is in the lower parts of the earth.

And death and hell are cast in to the lake of fire.

Which the whole earth will be cast in to the lake of fire and be burned up.

Which is the second death which means it involves the wicked of the earth.

 

[Gideon300]

In this sermon we get clear instruction as to why Jesus never created people to go to hell.

Fear not was the words Jesus spoke the most when he spoke to people, knowing we suffer internally anxiously.

In this sermon we get clear instruction as to why the second death takes place.

My belief is Jesus never created people to go to hell. And people will not be in eternal hell. The second death is the end

Death is not the end of existence. Adam died the moment he disobeyed God. Yet he still existed. Believers will die physically, unless Jesus returns first. We will not be judged as sinners, but we we will receive rewards according to what we have done in this life. Unbelievers will face the second death. This also is not the end of existence. It is eternal separation from God. And there is no escape, as the rich man who oppressed Lazarus discovered.

 

[Gideon300]

There is another possibility.
When we see Him, we will be like Him.
God is as perfectly just as He is merciful.

That is written to believers, I hope you realise.
Revelation 6:12-17
And I watched as the Lamb opened the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black like sackcloth of goat hair, and the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars of the sky fell to the earth like unripe figs dropping from a tree shaken by a great wind. The sky receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place.

Then the kings of the earth, the nobles, the commanders, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and free man hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains. And they said to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb. For the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to withstand it?”

That is the response of the unbelievers.

 

[GWH]

Death is not the end of existence. Adam died the moment he disobeyed God. Yet he still existed. Believers will die physically, unless Jesus returns first. We will not be judged as sinners, but we we will receive rewards according to what we have done in this life. Unbelievers will face the second death. This also is not the end of existence. It is eternal separation from God. And there is no escape, as the rich man who oppressed Lazarus discovered.

The second death is the destruction of demonic souls after justice is achieved in hell.
(John 17:12, Rom. 9:22, Gal. 6:8, Phil. 3:19, 2Thes. 1:9, 2Pet. 3:7 & Rev. 20:13-14)

 

[Jordon]

Death is not the end of existence. Adam died the moment he disobeyed God. Yet he still existed. Believers will die physically, unless Jesus returns first. We will not be judged as sinners, but we we will receive rewards according to what we have done in this life. Unbelievers will face the second death. This also is not the end of existence. It is eternal separation from God. And there is no escape, as the rich man who oppressed Lazarus discovered.

Glorification is knowing there will be no more sin, where every tear is wiped away.

Where not there yet, being free from sin is our final act of sanctification.

The key message is hell is a separation from God. That even in our process of sanctification, we do not truly know who we are, or truly know who God is, but that doesn't mean we don't know who God is, it just means we don't truly know his holiness, we grown inwardly to be with him and long for his return.

But until that day we reach full sanctification, where not free from sin, when full sanctification is reached in being fully conformed to the image of Christ, we then truly know his holiness, where every tear is wiped away.

 

[Jordon]

Nobody goes to either heaven or hell, all goes to Sheol/Hades/underworld, which is often translated as "hell" but not exactly the same. Lord Jesus rested in the grave for about two and a half days, so is every human being, either good or bad. Every dead person is "gathered to his (or her) people" -

Then Abraham breathed his last and died in a good old age, an old man and full of years, and was gathered to his people. (Gen. 25:8)
These were the years of the life of Ishmael: one hundred and thirty-seven years; and he breathed his last and died, and was gathered to his people. (Gen. 25:17)
when Jacob had finished commanding his sons, he drew his feet up into the bed and breathed his last, and was gathered to his people. (Gen. 49:33)
Go up this mountain of the Abarim, Mount Nebo, which is in the land of Moab, across from Jericho; view the land of Canaan, which I give to the children of Israel as a possession; and die on the mountain which you ascend, and be gathered to your people, just as Aaron your brother died on Mount Hor and was gathered to his people; (Deut. 49-50)

The correct order is that, all the dead goes to the grave, when Jesus returns, the saved are resurrected, the unsaved stay dead (Rev. 20:1-5) until the end of the millennial reign; after that, the saved live forever in New Jerusalem - which is the NEW heaven and the NEW earth, the unsaved are judged and cast into the Lake of Fire for eternity. "Heaven" and "hell" in common understanding are references of New Jerusalem and the Lake of Fire.

The only biblical evidence for the heaven/hell dichotomy is the story of Lazarus and the rich man separated by the great chasm, one can argue that Lazarus's side is "heavenesque", the rich man's side is "hellesque". Jesus promised the thief that he would go to "paradise" TODAY, while on that day Jesus went to Hades, the only logical conclusion is that "paradise" is the "heavenesque" section in Hades.

All these verses suggest that people are awake in a special place of the underworld. Which could be like heaven.

Luke 23:43

Revalation 6:9-11

2 Corinthians 5:8

Philippians 1:23

1 Peter 3:19-20

 

[Jordon]

Oops one missing from my last post

Revelation 6:9-11




9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10 They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” 11 Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters,[a] were killed just as they had been.

 

[Jordon]

There is another possibility.
When we see Him, we will be like Him.
God is as perfectly just as He is merciful.

agree

 

[Lovette]

All these verses suggest that people are awake in a special place of the underworld. Which could be like heaven.

Luke 23:43

Revalation 6:9-11

2 Corinthians 5:8

Philippians 1:23

1 Peter 3:19-20

Only if "heaven" in your definition is synonymous with "paradise". Paradise is positively a special place in the underworld, since Jesus went both to paradise and the underworld, but it's not the heaven where God resides and Jesus ascended to. Jesus said that no one goes to heaven except himself who came from heaven.

 

[Jordon]

Only if "heaven" in your definition is synonymous with "paradise". Paradise is positively a special place in the underworld, since Jesus went both to paradise and the underworld, but it's not the heaven where God resides and Jesus ascended to. Jesus said that no one goes to heaven except himself who came from heaven.

But if there a awake which it seems to say they are, God will me with them anyway and in them

And those verses seem to suggest there with the lord

 

[Jordon]

I'm thinking they will be free from sin to but not yet glorified

 

[Lovette]

But if there a awake which it seems to say they are, God will me with them anyway and in them

And those verses seem to suggest there with the lord

God is God of the living, not the dead. This is the pitfall in both Catholicism and other religions where God and Satan are reigning in heaven and hell, both dealing with the afterlife; but in the bible, God governs the land of the living, Satan messes with God also in the land of the living, afterlife belongs to Hades.

 

[Jordon]

God is God of the living, not the dead. This is the pitfall in both Catholicism and other religions where God and Satan are reigning in heaven and hell, both dealing with the afterlife; but in the bible, God governs the land of the living, Satan messes with God also in the land of the living, afterlife belongs to Hades.

God is God to for all those who will perish to, before they perish is my belief,

As he says he wishes none would perish, but before there saved there not living with life as in the life of the lord, there living with some shelter, as in his moral law in there hearts. Which is seem as some protection and hope. It has to be he also has to be a God to those not living to in this sense

It's all a bit confusing when we think of all those who have died in Christ we think they have fallen a sleep.

 

[Lovette]

God is God to for all those who will perish to, before they perish is my belief,

As he says he wishes none would perish, but before there saved there not living with life as in the life of the lord, there living with some shelter, as in his moral law in there hearts. Which is seem as some protection and hope. It has to be he also has to be a God to those not living to in this sense

It's all a bit confusing when we think of all those who have died in Christ we think they have fallen a sleep.

There's nothing confusing to me. All are made from dust and will return to dust, and all will be gathered to their ancestors in the afterlife, the difference is that the righteous live twice, die once, the unrighteous live once, die twice. There's no death in Christ, but life in Christ, and life abundantly.