The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

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I thought God was pretty clear on what happened? No need to edit anything.

Eze 20:15 Moreover, I swore to them in the wilderness that I would not bring them into the land that I had given them, a land flowing with milk and honey, the most glorious of all lands, 16 because they rejected my rules and did not walk in my statutes, and profaned my Sabbaths; for their heart went after their idols.

Ezekiel is summarizing all of their disobedience, but the specific act that kept Israel from inheriting the land was their refusal to enter the land when he told them to (Exodus 14).
 
Ezekiel is summarizing all of their disobedience, but the specific act that kept Israel from inheriting the land was their refusal to enter the land when he told them to (Exodus 14).
They disobeyed other things too, but God was very specific in singling out breaking the Sabbath and relates breaking the Sabbath to idol worship. Replacing what God said, with a voice of another. Why the commandments are all interconnected breaking one we break them all James2:11.

Eze20:16 because they rejected my rules and did not walk in my statutes, and profaned my Sabbaths; for their heart went after their idols.

Eze 20:13 13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.

Jesus called breaking the Sabbath rebellion.

What we are called not to follow....

Heb 3:7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,
In the day of trial in the wilderness,

9 Where your fathers tested Me, tried Me,
And saw My works forty years.
10 Therefore I was angry with that generation,
And said, ‘They always go astray in their heart,
And they have not known My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”
12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; 13 but [b]exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, 15 while it is said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”

16 For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses? 17 Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? 18 And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? 19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
 
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God said it started from the very beginning Exo20:11 Exo20:16 proves it was being kept before God wrote it down. Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man, the word He used means mankind Mark2:27. Not sure how much clearer He could be. Unless one is not part of the human race, the Sabbath is not for them, if one is, well Jesus said it was. I beleive Him.

Salvation for the Gentiles
Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.

2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”
3 Do not let the son of the foreigner
Who has joined himself to the Lord
Speak, saying,
“The Lord has utterly separated me from His people”;
Nor let the eunuch say,
“Here I am, a dry tree.”
4 For thus says the Lord:
“To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths,
And choose what pleases Me,
And hold fast My covenant,
5 Even to them I will give in My house
And within My walls a place and a name
Better than that of sons and daughters;
I will give [a]them an everlasting name
That shall not be cut off.
6 “Also the sons of the foreigner (Gentiles)
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His serva
nts—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.

Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.

Isaiah was prophesying new covenant realities in the old covenant concepts and language that he understood. For example, God's house being called a house of prayer for all nations is figurative language for the reality of our bodies being the house of God. This was the mystery that was kept hidden from the prophets, so they had to use the language and concepts that they understood. The physical temple is no longer the house of God any more than sabbaths are the way to know God is sanctifying us.
 
Isaiah was prophesying new covenant realities in the old covenant concepts and language that he understood. For example, God's house being called a house of prayer for all nations is figurative language for the reality of our bodies being the house of God. This was the mystery that was kept hidden from the prophets, so they had to use the language and concepts that they understood. The physical temple is no longer the house of God any more than sabbaths are the way to know God is sanctifying us.
Do you think Scripture means whatever is in the top of our heads? You provide no evidence for your statements. Our thoughts and ideas are not Scripture and in my experience these are the toughest people to try to reason with, elevating our thoughts as if they are equal to the word of God, when its not.

No, the Lord means exactly what He says.

What is His house of prayer? Lets let the Bible interpret the Bible in this case- Jesus

He quoted on this prophecy

Mat 21:13 And He said to them, “It is written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer,’ but you have made it a ‘den of thieves.’ ”​

His house of prayer was the temple or house of God for worship. Was there ever a time where all nations- Jews and Gentiles came together on the Sabbath before the Cross? No. Does His prophecies come true? Yes.


Jesus predicted those who do not defile the Sabbath would come together in His house of prayer for all nations-which is exactly happen after the Cross because Jesus is never wrong and we need to trust Him with our whole heart.


Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Acts 13: 44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Jesus predicted His house would be a house of prayer for all nations- Jews and Gentiles for those who keep His Sabbath

The Sabbath was part of the council for Gentiles just as Jesus said-the foreigners (Gentiles) who join themselves to serve Him and keep His Sabbath Isa56:6-7

Acts 15:21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”​

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.​

And His house of prayer for all Nations continues in the New Heaven and New Earth Isa 66:22-23

Sadly another voice came -who thought to change God's times and laws Dan7:25 that sadly most follow
 
His house of prayer was the temple or house of God for worship. Was there ever a time where all nations- Jews and Gentiles came together on the Sabbath before the Cross? No. Does His prophecies come true? Yes.

That was under the old covenant. Jesus explicitly said that those days were numbered and would be no more

Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. John 4:21
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. John 4:23-24
 
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Jesus predicted His house would be a house of prayer for all nations- Jews and Gentiles for those who keep His Sabbath

The only reason they met on the sabbaths is because synagogues were where Jews and gentile proselytes would meet on Saturdays to study torah. It had nothing to do with what you're suggesting. Once Christians were kicked out of synagogues around 100AD there was no need for them to do that anymore, and in fact the day was changed at a later date to conform more with the day of resurrection..
 
That was under the old covenant. Jesus explicitly said that those days were numbered and would be no more

Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. John 4:21
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. John 4:23-24
It doesn‘‘t say anything about not keeping the Sabbath in this passage. Jesus already addressed Sabbath worship continuing for eternity Isa66:22-23 Jesus is calling us to true worship and defined false worship as laying aside the commandments of God and replacing it with man-made rules and traditions Mark7:7-13 Mat15:3-14 God’s saints keep God’s commandments Rev14:12 God’s version, not what man thinks they know better than He to edit God’s own personal written Testimony Exo31:18

You’re reading things into Scripture and seem to be disregarding what plain Scripture says. Like I said previously we are too far apart in our understanding of God’s word. It’s best I move on.
 
The only reason they met on the sabbaths is because synagogues were where Jews and gentile proselytes would meet on Saturdays to study torah. It had nothing to do with what you're suggesting. Once Christians were kicked out of synagogues around 100AD there was no need for them to do that anymore, and in fact the day was changed at a later date to conform more with the day of resurrection..
So we should go your reasoning that was not supported by Scripture and ignore the reasons God gave. Isa 56:1-2, 6-7 Mat 28:18. Lev23:3 Exo20:8-11 We are living in the same place the children of Israel were living in the wilderness. Heb3:7-19 It seems like just as they did, many do not believe what proceeds out of the mouth of God that we have to correct and speak for, even when He told us not to Pro30:5-6 Deut4:2 Ecc3:14 Mat5:18-19 Rev 22:18-19
 
Did God excuse the Israelite in the desert coming out and try to collect Manna on the sabbath? God insists that his people any people who follow him remember it keep it, what we think is irrelevant not the 4th commandments itself. why did Jesus and Paul keep it if it is irrelevant. doing the will of God is what matters you can fight it all you want it still remains.


I have a question: Which day does God consider is the Sabbath? Most Christians consider it Sunday. It appears to be fine With God and I've never seen Him to correct or punish Christians for it.


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I have a question: Which day does God consider is the Sabbath? Most Christians consider it Sunday. It appears to be fine With God and I've never seen Him to correct or punish Christians for it.


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God answers this plainly- He even wrote it out!

Exo 20: 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

Isa 58:“If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,

He predicted there would be a government who thought to change. God’s times ad laws Dan7:25 and there is a clear history of the Sabbath going from Sabbath to Sunday. The government who admits to doing so said they did based on their authroity over God’s. God is calling us back to worship Him Rev14:7 Exo20:11

It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.
—Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ ‘News’ on March 18, 1903.

Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.

Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.
—Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50

Deny the authority of the Church and you have no adequate or reasonable explanation or justification for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday in the Third - Protestant Fourth - Commandment of God... The Church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.'
—Catholic Record, September 1, 1923.

Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act. And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters.
—C. F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons, in answer to a letter regarding the change of the Sabbath, November 11,
 
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I thought God was pretty clear on what happened? No need to edit anything.

Eze 20:15 Moreover, I swore to them in the wilderness that I would not bring them into the land that I had given them, a land flowing with milk and honey, the most glorious of all lands, 16 because they rejected my rules and did not walk in my statutes, and profaned my Sabbaths; for their heart went after their idols.
Yes; God was clear in giving three specific infractions. You misrepresented His word by only citing the third of the three.
 
Yes; God was clear in giving three specific infractions. You misrepresented His word by only citing the third of the three.
When He laid out the consequences of disobedience not entering into the Promise Land and than gave the reason plainly “because“ no need to add anything else as if thats going to delete what God just stated plainly.
 
My SDA church is packed. The last church I went to before I moved they had to build a new church to hold all the members. The SDA church is world-wide, not just in your neighborhood.

The Ten Commandments is God's commandments according to God Exo20:6 not sure why so many people lower what God claimed as His Deut 4:13 written and spoken by God the Creator of everything Exo20:11 Exo31:18 as attributed to man, the creation. Moses was there and didn't even take credit for them Exo32:16 so to speak over God and Moses as if we know better, seems like a bad idea. If we can't believe God at His own word on what He claimed as His Exo20:6 Isa58:13 I am not sure the point of our Bibles. The whole Bible is about the testimony of God through His prophets and apostles yet when it comes to God's own personal written and spoken Testimony Ex20:11 few believe.

You did not need to tell me your SDA church was packed.

I knew it would be over flowing with those under the law.
 
When He laid out the consequences of disobedience not entering into the Promise Land and than gave the reason plainly “because“ no need to add anything else as if thats going to delete what God just stated plainly.
You just demonstrated a despicable absence of integrity.

God gave THREE reasons. You cited ONLY the third because it fits your agenda.

Then you have the audacity to bleat about “adding” and “deleting”?

Disgraceful.
 
You just demonstrated a despicable absence of integrity.

God gave THREE reasons. You cited ONLY the third because it fits your agenda.

Then you have the audacity to bleat about “adding” and “deleting”?

Disgraceful.
Okay what Judgements and what statues did they break? As I stated previously they disobeyed other things but God singled out specially Sabbath-breaking. The constant insults are not edifying so I am going to leave it as agree to disagree