Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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HeIsHere said:
Well, I would say there is a difference between unable to grasp and not wanting to grasp because it may cause discomfort to one's accepted view.

Agree, they do say a good teacher is someone that can take complex concepts and teach them in such a way so that they are accessible to all his/her students.
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Of course there’s a difference but one that doesn’t want to grasp usually wouldn’t ask the questions to begin with. Trying to teach one that doesn’t want or care enough to learn is a waste of time. If one has truly placed his/her faith in the works of Christ then they will want to learn. Learning can’t be forced.

Then we come to the situation that we see on forums such as this one. It’s not so much students and a teacher. Instead it would be like having 5 teachers in a classroom that don’t agree on anything. It turns from teaching a set of students to the students watching an endless debate. The only thing the students have learned by the end of the day is that the teachers don’t agree on anything. Each teacher goes into the situation with their own belief and walk away with that belief being more fortified than before. What I see many times also is that two sides will actually agree but because they word their arguments differently they think they don’t agree.
 
Just_A__Follower said:
Of course there’s a difference but one that doesn’t want to grasp usually wouldn’t ask the questions to begin with. Trying to teach one that doesn’t want or care enough to learn is a waste of time. If one has truly placed his/her faith in the works of Christ then they will want to learn. Learning can’t be forced.

Then we come to the situation that we see on forums such as this one. It’s not so much students and a teacher. Instead it would be like having 5 teachers in a classroom that don’t agree on anything. It turns from teaching a set of students to the students watching an endless debate. The only thing the students have learned by the end of the day is that the teachers don’t agree on anything. Each teacher goes into the situation with their own belief and walk away with that belief being more fortified than before. What I see many times also is that two sides will actually agree but because they word their arguments differently they think they don’t agree.
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That quite a list of complaints.
So then you are telling us to abandon ship, learn nothing and stay stupid?
 
Just_A__Follower said:
What I see many times also is that two sides will actually agree but because they word their arguments differently they think they don’t agree.
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I have seen instances on this forum where people are saying the same thing and do not realize it, so yes that does happen,
however, there can be no agreement with TULIP imo!.

For the topic of this thread I do think it is extremely important to refute the doctrines of Calvinism, they are not biblical.
I do believe in the security of the saint, however, how it is presented in Calvinism is wrong.

In a situation such as this, study, knowledge, information and biblical literacy is very important.
 
Kroogz said:
PROFESSOR John Lennox:

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ok my mistake hes talking about free will

But straight away he only talking about human free will. Based on there mistakes.
he addresses its not nice to call people robots. This is not an excuse to exalt mans free will

RC Sproul says we where created with a mind to make choices and that we have free will, but mans free will has become the problem more so since the fall.

All he's doing is finding reasons to say we have free will,

Which RC Sproul does also.

What's more odd is how come the Person says John lenox doesn't refute Calvinism but the titles his YouTube video refuting calvinism ?
This debate just centres around we do have free will.

So if anything this debate is debating dodgy Calvin beliefs from nutjobs who say we don't have free will.

No mention from the hater of Calvinism saying mans free will can't accept Christ in an un-regenerated state, and the speaker keeps interrupting John Lenox and providing his own interpretation
 
Just_A__Follower said:
Instead it would be like having 5 teachers in a classroom that don’t agree on anything. It turns from teaching a set of students to the students watching an endless debate.
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What Is the responsibility of the student? To take the information, study it and determine whether it is true or not.

But it seems that the majority focus on the personality of the messenger rather than the MESSAGE.......Thus never taking the information, studying it and determining whether it is true or not.
 
Kroogz said:
What Is the responsibility of the student? To take the information, study it and determine whether it is true or not.

But it seems that the majority focus on the personality of the messenger rather than the MESSAGE.......Thus never taking the information, studying it and determining whether it is true or not.
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can you provide a sermon on a professor teaching his classroom with students in the class room, a semon on free will please , I don't like this one.
I can really only listen to classroom sermons
 
Jordon said:
This is not an excuse to exalt mans free will
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There has not been one person on this thread that "exalts mankinds freewill."

We simple HAVE freewill to choose or reject the Lord Jesus Christ.......He is the exalted one in our choice. And Satan knows this FACT.

One being in this world causes this debate of no freewill or freewill.....Satan.

Satan has been judged, so he knows the truth. He knows that God is Just and Satan CHOSE his path by his freewill.


And we, by our own freewill, condemn satan and witness Gods righteous judgement of Satan.


So Satan does everything in his power to convince us we do not have freewill........It's all God's fault in the end.
 
cv5 said:
That quite a list of complaints.
So then you are telling us to abandon ship, learn nothing and stay stupid?
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I write what I see and you see that as a list of complaints. If I say something is a waste of time then that means I wouldn’t do it because I see it as a waste of time. If you want to waste you time, well it’s your time, not mine. If you see it as not a waste of time then that’s fine too. Go for it. As I said before you do you.
 
Jordon said:
can you provide a sermon on a professor teaching his classroom with students in the class room, a semon on free will please , I don't like this one.
I can really only listen to classroom sermons
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I followed your rules. Short and by a professor.

The teachings I have downloaded and readily available are doctrines. Teachings. Most are 1 hr long teachings and develop over 1000's of hrs.

BIBLE DOCTRINE.
 
Kroogz said:
There has not been one person on this thread that "exalts mankinds freewill."

We simple HAVE freewill to choose or reject the Lord Jesus Christ.......He is the exalted one in our choice. And Satan knows this FACT.

One being in this world causes this debate of no freewill or freewill.....Satan.

Satan has been judged, so he knows the truth. He knows that God is Just and Satan CHOSE his path by his freewill.


And we, by our own freewill, condemn satan and witness Gods righteous judgement of Satan.


So Satan does everything in his power to convince us we do not have freewill........It's all God's fault in the end.
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yep RC Sproul says the same thing we have free will, what the debate is about between reformed and unreformed is mans ability to accept Christ in there fallen state of corrupted free will.

I would like a sermon on free will to a classroom of students please by a professor.
 
Kroogz said:
What Is the responsibility of the student? To take the information, study it and determine whether it is true or not.

But it seems that the majority focus on the personality of the messenger rather than the MESSAGE.......Thus never taking the information, studying it and determining whether it is true or not.
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As I’ve said before a good teacher is one who is able to properly convey the knowledge they have to the student. If the teacher cannot properly convey that knowledge then they are not a good teacher. It’s not the student’s fault that they learned nothing from a bad teacher.
 
Just_A__Follower said:
As I’ve said before a good teacher is one who is able to properly convey the knowledge they have to the student. If the teacher cannot properly convey that knowledge then they are not a good teacher. It’s not the student’s fault that they learned nothing from a bad teacher.
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So a good student will eliminate the "endless debate."

We have freewill.
 
Just_A__Follower said:
As I’ve said before a good teacher is one who is able to properly convey the knowledge they have to the student. If the teacher cannot properly convey that knowledge then they are not a good teacher. It’s not the student’s fault that they learned nothing from a bad teacher.
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That attitude will not get you thru medical school or get you a law degree I can guarantee you that.
 
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Jordon said:
yep RC Sproul says the same thing we have free will, what the debate is about between reformed and unreformed is mans ability to accept Christ in there fallen state of corrupted free will.

I would like a sermon on free will to a classroom of students please by a professor.
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I gave you one.

And there is only reformed and unreformed for the religious masses.

His remnant has had Bible doctrine from the beginning. He always has had the truth ready for those who want it.

No reforms, new sects or denominations needed.
 
Kroogz said:
So a good student will eliminate the "endless debate."
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Learning occurs when information is passed from a teacher to a student. A debate is not between a student and a teacher. A debate occurs when the student decides to become a teacher or when you just have two teachers to begin with. Things can be learned from debates but not often. More often it becomes a battle of one’s pride vs another’s pride. How many debates have you seen where two people start with opposite views and the outcome is one saying “I was completely wrong, you are right”?
 
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