The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[Inquisitor]

Only for those that don't have the infilling of the Holy Spirit Who Jesus sent to teach us His Word.

1 Corinthians 2:16 tells us that believers have access to the thoughts and understanding of Christ through the Holy Spirit,
enabling them to comprehend spiritual truths and emphasizes the truth that Christians can think in alignment with Christ's
perspective.

1 Corinthians 2:9-12
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath
prepared for them that love him.
But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no
man, but the Spirit of God.
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are
freely given to us of God.

Those that believe these promises and ask the Lord to open the eyes of their understanding based on these promises as they choose to accept THE WHOLE COUNSEL OF GOD then the Lord will start revealing Truth to them which will not be what the churches and popular teachers are teaching as they are corrupt and teach a different "jesus" and another "gospel"

Here's a prayer in scripture to pray over yourself and others:

Ephesians 1:16-19
Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the
knowledge of him:
The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of
the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power




Without scripture, which is what God has to say as in scripture is God's Word, then you shall be deceived.

In fact, you have already been deceived by the devil because he has convinced you that it's OK to ignore God's Word as in ignoring what God has to say.

This is exactly what the devil did to deceive Adam and Eve is convinced them to ignore what God said.





Without God's Word the information being shared by word of mouth is easily corrupted as we see it has been when we compare what God teaches in His Word to what churches and popular teachers are teaching today which is lies of the devil masquerading as Truth but are actually deception.

So thank you for sharing that you have rejected God's Word.
Now we know how you have been so badly deceived.




Yeah so right now there is only ONE Truth church and we can learn Truth (God's Word) right now.

The one true church is not any building but it a group of people scattered around the world that actually believe God's Word and their number are not very large at all. These are the folks that actually believe the whole counsel of God and they live as though God's Word is Truth.

Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13),
and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)

Jesus said the pathway that leads to life is narrow and few find it - Matthew 7:13-14




He has no earthly idea.

He just said he does not believe God's Word





The New Covenant made between the Man Jesus Christ and God the Father.

It can never fail and salvation for us on earth can only be found by abiding In Christ.

Those that choose to not believe God's Word are not abiding In Christ as they have been deceived by the devil to not believe what God says just like Adam and Eve





Yep, and if Jesus Christ appeared to somebody and they could ask anything they wanted - He would reply by quoting scripture.

Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)




Yep and as we see in the Book of James - faith without works is dead and is not saving faith

Many today claim to be Christians but their actions show they are tares (children of the devil)

How do you interpret 1 Corinthians 12,13,14?

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

I believe Jesus was saying that if someone does the many things he just got through saying that a person will be complete, ie, blameless.

Jesus meant spiritual maturity and completeness. You'll end up doing all the godly things He talked about because of these qualities, not because of these actions. You can only grow in spiritual maturity and completeness in Jesus. So being perfect as He is perfect is to abide and live in Christ, fuly submitted and yielded to Him.

 

[HigherGospel]

What I am waiting for is the First Resurrection when I will be born from above into spirit

Those that have no already been born from above in to the Spirit of God won't be part of God's Kingdom.

You are being carnally minded thinking of the resurrection of the body

That comes later and those not born again their bodies will be resurrected unto eternal damnation

How are you saved?

By faith, believing and acting on God's promises as though God is not a liar as some suppose

How do you interpret 1 Corinthians 12,13,14?

Those that don't accept scripture and have not been born again need not worry about 1 Corinthians 12-14 because they aren't included.

1 Corinthians 12-14
For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
For the body is not one member, but many.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Jesus meant spiritual maturity and completeness. You'll end up doing all the godly things He talked about because of these qualities, not because of these actions. You can only grow in spiritual maturity and completeness in Jesus. So being perfect as He is perfect is to abide and live in Christ, fuly submitted and yielded to Him.

IMO that's clearly not what he said. Matthew 5 is a long list of godly things to do, and then in the last sentence says "then you will be complete"

 

[HigherGospel]

Matthew 5 is a long list of godly things to do, and then in the last sentence says "then you will be complete"

Jesus is saying there's some stuff His followers need to do in order to be accepted by Him.

Otherwise they are rejecting the Lord and walking with the devil.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

IMO that's clearly not what he said. Matthew 5 is a long list of godly things to do, and then in the last sentence says "then you will be complete"

You can do it that way if that is all that Jesus said, but later on Jesus says He will send a Helper, providing a better way to fulfill what He wants of us. I'm going to obey it His way. It's much easier through His Holy Spirit.

 

[memberofthebride]

You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.

John 3:3 "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

1 Peter 1:23 "For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God."

When the Holy Spirit is placed into a person by the laying on of hands, that is being impregnated with the Seed, the Father's Spirit, making that person a spiritual fetus waiting to be "born from above" into the Spirit Family of God at the first resurrection. Over our life time the Father is developing, building HIS Divine nature in us.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

You can do it that way if that is all that Jesus said, but later on Jesus says He will send a Helper, providing a better way to fulfill what He wants of us. I'm going to obey it His way. It's much easier through His Holy Spirit.

Of course. I'm not saying or implying those things should be done without the help of his spirit.

 

[Mem]

IMO that's clearly not what he said. Matthew 5 is a long list of godly things to do, and then in the last sentence says "then you will be complete"

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This brings to my mind another instance at which the disciples were astonished and said to one another, "Who then can be saved?!"
I've only now realized the verse you've reference is taught as a command rather than as a declaration of a matter of fact in answer to the question, "how then can we be perfect?" of which the answer would also be, "With man, this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." Wherein the Old covenant requires perfection (and covering imperfections with the blood of lambs) to make it possible that man (and he wasn't permitted to have any blemishes either) enter into the presence of God...the New covenant, of which the perfect Priest had no need of any blood of lambs nor goats applies His own blood... if we go in any other way bringing any attention to the filthy rags of our righteousness and claiming that This Priest 'assisted' in 'fashioning' them...
It just becomes even more apparent how ridiculous this venture in 'perfection' is.

 

[Dino246]

When the Holy Spirit is placed into a person by the laying on of hands, that is being impregnated with the Seed, the Father's Spirit, making that person a spiritual fetus waiting to be "born from above" into the Spirit Family of God at the first resurrection. Over our life time the Father is developing, building HIS Divine nature in us.

Utter unbiblical hogwash. Apparently your understanding of biology is on par with your understanding of spiritual formation.

When a person accepts Jesus Christ as Saviour, they are fully saved, spiritually born again, and adopted as children of God. The Bible knows nothing of becoming a "spiritual fetus". That's just wacky!

 

[TMS]

Yet you already said you will likely sin in the future. That is not overcoming the power of sin and perfectly obeying. We are overcomers by faith and not by sinless perfection. 1 John 5:4 - For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

I AIM TO NOT SIN, if I tell myself I can't stop sinning and its impossible to overcome,.... so shall it be.

I aim for sinless obedience and when I fail I talk to my saviour and ask for forgiveness.. the reason I fail is always the same.. walking in the flesh.

Walking in the Spirit is not something that automatically happens. We need to crucify the flesh and be filled with the Spirit . This is a moment by moment thing. Time with Jesus, prayer, study all helps to make sure self is dead and you are filled with His Spirit.

It's a continual war..
Jesus never failed
And we can be like Jesus from this today on..

And in regards to the sabbath.. you answered the question already.. we are not living in theocratic state like Israel.

Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the old covenant of law, no Sabbatarian today can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.

We can make all the excuses... but the moral priciple of love that is required to keep the sabbath Holy has not changed.

Remember the sabbath to keep it Holy..
To keep it holy may vary for some but the principle is the same.. to stop from your labour and rest like God did at creation.

 

[HigherGospel]

Over our life time the Father is developing, building HIS Divine nature in us.

Which CANNOT and IS NOT done without God's promises found in His Word.

2 Peter 1:4
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13),
and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)

2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

the moral priciple of love that is required to keep the sabbath Holy has not changed.

And in the New Covenant the sabbath has been upgraded!
That Saturday thing ain't cuttin the mustard

Rest in the Lord under the New Covenant

Matthew 11:28
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Hebrews 4:9-10
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Matthew 11:29-30
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

 

[TMS]

Apparently, obedience means something to you different than what it means to me. Obedience to you means walking in the letter of the 10 commandments, whereas to me it means walking in the spirit of the 10 commandments

The law is Spiritual but that doesn't mean that the literal keeping is changed.

To commit adultery literally is sin to think it in the mind is sin.
To murder in thought and action is sin

To obey the law we need the Spirit of God. With out the Spirit we will fail.

Do you think that any of the 10 commandments could be transgressed physically, literally, outwardly and not be sinning? the Spiritual keeping will be revealed in the literal keeping of the law. If I'm spiritually keeping the commandment, Thou shalt not murder, I will not be murdering in action..

True we can not do it in action but commit it in the heart.. many do this. But God is the Judge. It is still sin.

Sin is the transgression of the law.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Do you think that any of the 10 commandments could be transgressed physically, literally, outwardly and not be sinning?

Yes, the letter of the 4th commandment can be violated while the spirit of it is kept by knowing in faith that God is sanctifying us through his indwelling spirit..

Also the letter of 2nd commandment can be violated while the spirit of it is kept by not bowing to images in our mind. It's not sin to make a statue or painting of animals.

But if you think violating the letter of these commandments is sin, then to you it is sin

 

[vassal]

Except that God's command to ancient Israel is not binding on the Church today. Paul knew that. Paul's words are clear; there is no "seem" to it. An idol is nothing. Food is cleansed from the stain of idolatry through thankful prayer. As Paul says, if someone served you meat and told you it was offered to an idol, you refrain for their sake, not for your own.

The restrictions given to the Gentiles were not given in the context of "Torah" because they were not given the Torah.

you place Paul before God, Jesus, grave error.

 

[HigherGospel]

you place Paul before God, Jesus, grave error.

That's how the OSAS people do bidness ya know

The false teachers they love so much told them to ignore Jesus and instead follow Paul.

 

[Dino246]

you place Paul before God, Jesus, grave error.

Wrong.

2 Timothy 3:16.

 

[TMS]

Explaining away Colossians 2:16-17 to mean ceremonial sabbaths only does not prove your argument. An unbiased reading of Colossians 2:16 shows that Paul is not merely talking about "ceremonial sabbaths" here as SDA's try to argue.

Paul's reasoning here, "Let no one judge you regarding a,

festival - yearly sabbaths,
a new moon - monthly sabbaths,
or a sabbath day - weekly sabbath

When this passage is compared with Galatians 4:9 a connection in Paul's teaching is revealed: "But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? You observe days and months and seasons and years."

Verse 10 clearly states, "you observe...",

days (weekly sabbaths, corresponding to "sabbath days" in Colossians 2)
months (new moons, corresponding to "a new moon" in Colossians 2)
seasons (the 7 feasts, corresponding to "festivals" in Colossians 2)
and years (the sabbatical year and the 50th year of Jubilee)

Paul is clearing speaking about the observances of all Jewish holy days, including the weekly sabbath.

Paul refers to the yearly, monthly and weekly as representing the whole system. SDA's try to get around this, but yearly sabbaths were already referred to in Colossians 2:16 as "festivals". The "Year, Month, Week" pattern is well established in the Old Testament and Colossians 2:16 does not exclude the weekly sabbath.

Yearly, monthly, weekly pattern proves it includes the weekly sabbath

1 Chronicles 23:31 - Weekly sabbaths, monthly (new moons), yearly (fixed festivals)

2 Chronicles 2:4 - Weekly sabbaths, yearly (appointed feasts), monthly (new moons)

2 Chronicles 8:13 - Weekly sabbaths, yearly (annual feasts), monthly (new moons)

2 Chronicles 31:3 - Weekly sabbaths, yearly (fixed festivals), monthly (new moons)

Nehemiah 10:33 - Weekly sabbaths, yearly (appointed times), monthly (new moon)

Isaiah 1:13-14 - Weekly sabbaths, yearly (appointed feasts), monthly (new moon)

Ezekiel 45:17 - Monthly (new moons), weekly (sabbaths), yearly (appointed feasts)

Ezekiel 46:1-11 - Weekly (sabbaths), monthly (new moons), yearly (appointed feasts)

Hosea 2:11 - Yearly (festal assemblies), monthly (new moons), weekly (sabbaths)

Galatians 4:10 - Years, months, days

Colossians 2:16 - Festival, new moon, Sabbath day

These verses below based on your eisegesis do not show the opposite.

The Greek word for Sabbath in Colossians 2:16 is the same root word used in Exodus 20:8.
Jesus said this in rebuke to the Pharisees had turned the sabbath into a burden by adding restrictions beyond what God’s law said. The disciples had not broken God’s law, they merely violated the Pharisees’ own legalistic, interpretation of the law.
The Lord's Day - Revelation 1:10 ... The First Day!

Why is there no command in the New Testament for Christians to keep the weekly sabbath day holy? Breaking the sabbath was punishable by death in the Old Testament (Exodus 31:14 & 35:2), so why is it not condemned in the New Testament? Various passages in the New Testament list numerous types of sinners who will not inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Galatians 5:19-21, 1 Timothy 1:9-10, and Revelation 21:8 & 22:15), but none of those lists ever mention Sabbath-breakers. Why is that?

Believers/Christians find their 'sabbatismos' rest in Jesus Christ (Hebrews 4:9) in contrast with trying to find their rest in keeping the weekly sabbath day under the law. (Exodus 31:16-17; 35:1-3; Deuteronomy 5:15)

[/QUOTE]
There is a lot of presumption

Presumption after presumption is needed to make the foundation of your argument..

There were lots of sabbaths in the cerimonial system.

But the thing that makes it clear is the context..

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us,

1. Blotting is a process that would not change the engraved stones..
2. The handwriting of ordinance does not include the 10 commandments.
3. The Ten commandments do not say anything against us, they are for our good. The sabbath was set up before sin and given to us as a blessed rest at creation. How can this weekly rest which was given before sin be contrary to us? It is not contrary or against us.. it was made for man by a loving God before sin.

Ordinances were nailed to the cross.

The 4th commandment is not an ordinance.

 

[vassal]

Wrong.

2 Timothy 3:16.

all scripture is not equal!

 

[HigherGospel]

Wrong.

2 Timothy 3:16.

That begs the question then - WHY do you not accept the whole counsel of God then which includes warnings to Christians from the Lord that say a person can in fact lose their salvation

The fact of the matter is all you OSAS people are cherry pickers who to NOT actually accept all the Lord says in His Word.