The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[vassal]

No he didn't contradict God because it was what Jesus said.

I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is profane of itself; except to the one considering anything to be profane, to that one it is profane. Romans 14:14​

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There is nothing from without a man that entering into him can make him profane: but the things which come out of him, those are they that make the man profane. Mark 7:15​

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Paul did speak in a way that seemed to allow eating meat offered to idols, but this does not match what God already said or what the apostles commanded in Acts 15. God’s will on this matter was already clear long before.
God already forbade it in the Torah
God warned His people not to eat food that was used in idol worship, because it joins a person to the idol (Exodus 34:15 NKJV).
The apostles repeated the same command
At the Jerusalem Council, the leaders chosen by Jesus commanded all Gentile believers to “abstain from things offered to idols” (Acts 15:20 NKJV).
This was not optional. It was God’s will for the whole church.
Paul’s later permission does not change God’s command
If Paul seems to allow it, then his words cannot override what God already spoke and what the apostles agreed on. Jesus gave authority to the apostles He chose, and they repeated the Torah command with the Holy Spirit’s guidance (Acts 15:28 NKJV).
So simply; God said not to eat meat offered to idols. The apostles confirmed it. Any later permission from Paul does not change God’s will that was already revealed.

 

[vassal]

back tomorrow, good night everyone.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

At the Jerusalem Council, the leaders chosen by Jesus commanded all Gentile believers to “abstain from things offered to idols” (Acts 15:20 NKJV).
This was not optional. It was God’s will for the whole church.

It was done for expediency's sake. At that time the gentiles only had one option to learn about Christ, and that was in the synagogues. To attend synagogues they had to follow those 4 rules, not because they were God's rules, but because they were the Jews' rules and expectation for gentiles. Once gentiles were kicked out of the synagogues around 100AD then there wasn't the same need to observe them.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Paul’s later permission does not change God’s command
If Paul seems to allow it, then his words cannot override what God already spoke and what the apostles agreed on. Jesus gave authority to the apostles He chose, and they repeated the Torah command with the Holy Spirit’s guidance (Acts 15:28 NKJV).
So simply; God said not to eat meat offered to idols. The apostles confirmed it. Any later permission from Paul does not change God’s will that was already revealed.

It wasn't God's command; it was James' recommendation for that time, ie, if you observe these things you will do well

 

[Gideon300]

Yes, the meeting happened because some men came from Judea and told the Gentile believers that they must be circumcised to be saved (Acts 15:1 ). This brought confusion, so Paul and Barnabas went up to Jerusalem, where the apostles and elders met to settle the matter (Acts 15:2 ).
At the council, Peter reminded them that God had already accepted uncircumcised Gentiles when the Holy Spirit fell on Cornelius and his household (Acts 15:7–11 ). James then gave the decision: the Gentiles were not to be forced into circumcision or the full yoke of the Law of Moses, but they should start by keeping four commands taken from the Torah so they could walk clean and stay away from idolatry (Acts 15:19–20 ).
He added that Moses had been taught “in every city” and read “every Sabbath” (Acts 15:21 NKJV), showing the Gentile believers would keep learning God’s ways.

I leave here below the Acts 15 text so you can see for yourself, where does it said the Commandments were abolished? Jesus taught the Ten commandments the God declared to be the Covenant, Paul spoke also of the Ten commandments and quoted them

the Jerusalem Council decided not to burden the Gentiles with the rest of the ""LAW of Moses"" what was added for the transgression of God's chosen people. if you have forgotten, The Ten commandments were placed INSIDE the Ark of the Covenant, the law of Moses was was kept BESIDE the ark.

The Jerusalem Council
Act 15:1 And certain men came down from Judaea and taught the brethren, saying, Except ye be circumcised after the custom of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
Act 15:2 And when Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and questioning with them, the brethren appointed that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
Act 15:3 They therefore, being brought on their way by the church, passed through both Phoenicia and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.
Act 15:4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church and the apostles and the elders, and they rehearsed all things that God had done with them.
Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees who believed, saying, It is needful to circumcise them, and to charge them to keep the law of Moses.
Act 15:6 And the apostles and the elders were gathered together to consider of this matter.
Act 15:7 And when there had been much questioning, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Brethren, ye know that a good while ago God made choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Act 15:8 And God, who knoweth the heart, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Spirit, even as he did unto us;
Act 15:9 and he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.
Act 15:10 Now therefore why make ye trial of God, that ye should put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Act 15:11 But we believe that we shall be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in like manner as they.
Act 15:12 And all the multitude kept silence; and they hearkened unto Barnabas and Paul rehearsing what signs and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles through them.
Act 15:13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Brethren, hearken unto me:
Act 15:14 Symeon hath rehearsed how first God visited the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
Act 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
Act 15:16 After these things I will return, And I will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen; And I will build again the ruins thereof, And I will set it up:
Act 15:17 That the residue of men may seek after the Lord, And all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called,
Act 15:18 Saith the Lord, who maketh these things known from of old.
Act 15:19 Wherefore my judgment is, that we trouble not them that from among the Gentiles turn to God;
Act 15:20 but that we write unto them, that they abstain from the pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from what is strangled, and from blood.
Act 15:21 For Moses from generations of old hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath.

Oh good. Now you have no excuse to try and put believers under the law again.

 

[Dino246]

dino, to be able to prove what you believe is incorrect would require many pages. I have learned over the years
to change a person mind even with sound facts and impeccable logic is almost impossible.

If your explanation takes "many pages", then it's not based on straightforward Scripture.

After Christ returns there will no longer be 40,000 Churches - only ONE.
then you will learn Truth.

You quote Catholic lies and expect me to take you seriously?

 

[Dino246]

Paul did speak in a way that seemed to allow eating meat offered to idols, but this does not match what God already said or what the apostles commanded in Acts 15. God’s will on this matter was already clear long before.
God already forbade it in the Torah
God warned His people not to eat food that was used in idol worship, because it joins a person to the idol (Exodus 34:15 NKJV).
The apostles repeated the same command
At the Jerusalem Council, the leaders chosen by Jesus commanded all Gentile believers to “abstain from things offered to idols” (Acts 15:20 NKJV).
This was not optional. It was God’s will for the whole church.
Paul’s later permission does not change God’s command
If Paul seems to allow it, then his words cannot override what God already spoke and what the apostles agreed on. Jesus gave authority to the apostles He chose, and they repeated the Torah command with the Holy Spirit’s guidance (Acts 15:28 NKJV).
So simply; God said not to eat meat offered to idols. The apostles confirmed it. Any later permission from Paul does not change God’s will that was already revealed.

Except that God's command to ancient Israel is not binding on the Church today. Paul knew that. Paul's words are clear; there is no "seem" to it. An idol is nothing. Food is cleansed from the stain of idolatry through thankful prayer. As Paul says, if someone served you meat and told you it was offered to an idol, you refrain for their sake, not for your own.

The restrictions given to the Gentiles were not given in the context of "Torah" because they were not given the Torah.

 

[Gideon300]

God Himself spoke the Ten Commandments and called them His covenant, so these are the commandments that stand for all people. In the time of the apostles, the Jerusalem council in Acts fifteen added four basic rules for Gentile believers to start with. These were given to help new believers who were coming from nations that did not know God’s ways, and they were not a replacement for the covenant God spoke with His own voice. With this in mind, Jesus Himself said He came First to the realities but also for the whole world, not only Israel. He said in John 3:16–17 that God loved the world and sent His Son so the world could be saved. He also said in John 4:42 that He is the Savior of the world, and He taught openly in Samaria among a people the Jews rejected. Jesus spoke of other sheep in John 10:16, saying He has sheep not of the Jewish fold and that He must bring them also so there will be one flock under one Shepherd. He said in John 12:47–48 that His words will judge any man who hears them, showing His teaching is for all who hear it. When He rose from the dead, He commanded His disciples in Matthew 28:18–20 to go and teach all nations everything He had commanded them, which proves His teaching was never meant for Jews only. Jesus also said in Matthew 24:14 that His gospel will be preached in all the world to all nations. He healed and helped Gentiles during His ministry, including the Roman centurion and the Canaanite woman, and said many will come from the east and the west to sit with Abraham in the kingdom of heaven. After Jesus ascended, God chose Peter to open the way to the Gentiles. Peter said in Acts 10:34–35 that God accepts people in every nation who fear Him and do righteousness, and said in Acts 15:7 that God chose him so the Gentiles would hear the gospel by his mouth and believe. Revelation shows the final picture, where a great multitude from all nations stand before the Lamb according to Revelation 7:9, and Revelation 14:6 shows the everlasting gospel going to every nation, kindred, tongue, and people. Jesus’ mission and His words are for the whole world, not Israel only.1. Jesus Himself said He came for the world, not only the Jews.

Jesus says very clearly:
John 3:16–17
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."
Jesus does not say "Israel only."
He says "the world" three times.
Jesus also calls Himself the Savior for all:
John 4:42
"This is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world."
These words were spoken in Samaria, to a people the Jews did not accept. Jesus stayed with them two days and taught them (John 4:40). That alone destroys the idea that Jesus taught Jews only.

Jesus spoke of other sheep not of Israel.
Jesus said with His own mouth:
John 10:16
"And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd."
“Not of this fold” means not Israel.
Jesus says He must bring them also.
This is not a later idea. This is Jesus’ direct teaching.

Jesus said His words will judge all who hear, not Jews only.
John 12:47–48
"If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him. The word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day."
Jesus says:
His words judge any man who hears them.
That includes all nations.

Jesus commanded His disciples to teach all nations everything He taught.
This is the strongest proof.
Matthew 28:18–20
"All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations...
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you."
If Jesus taught Jews only, why send His disciples to all nations, telling them to teach everything He taught?
His own command proves His teaching was meant for all.

Jesus said the gospel is for the whole world.
Matthew 24:14
"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."
"All the world." "All nations."
Not Israel only.

Jesus healed and helped Gentiles during His ministry.
Jesus healed the Roman centurion’s servant.
Matthew 8:11
"And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven."
Jesus says MANY will come from far nations.
That is Gentiles.
Jesus healed the Canaanite woman’s daughter (Matthew 15:22–28).
He praised her faith more than most Jews.
These actions prove He was not “sent to Jews only” in the limited way your opponent claims.

Peter was chosen by God to take the gospel to the Gentiles Paul was not the only one.
Peter explains this himself:
Acts 10:34–35
"Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him."
Peter learned this through a direct vision and command from God.
Then he says:
Acts 10:43
"To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins."
"Whosoever" includes Gentiles.
Later Peter repeats it:
Acts 15:7
"Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouthshould hear the word of the gospel, and believe."
Peter says plainly:
God chose him
to bring the gospel
to the Gentiles.
This is direct and undeniable.

Revelation shows Jesus as Lord over every nation.

Revelation 7:9
"After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb..."
This proves the final kingdom is filled with believers from all nations, not Israel only.
Also:
Revelation 14:6
"And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people."
In the end, the gospel is for every nation.

Please if you want to argue this it wont be with me, I have given the proof from scripture Jesus came for everyone and not only Israel

Time is short the the door is about to be shut, please open your heart and follow Jesus FULLY and do as HE asks.

Blessings.

The covenant of the Law was with Israel. "Hear O Israel", not hear o Gentiles. The Law came through Moses and was a shadow. Jesus is the reality. I don't care if you accept the truth or not. I write this for others who might be persuaded by your specious arguments.

Believers live by the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. Those who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God. We are saved daily by grace. We recognise our own righteousness as filthy rags. We have righteousness as a gift, not according to our works. We are instructed to put on Christ and put off the flesh. We do not try to wrap ourselves in stone tablets. The Law is the ministry of death. We died and our lives are hidden in Christ. Our death includes dying to the law. Now for us to live is Christ.

 

[mailmandan]

You quote Catholic lies and expect me to take you seriously?

Over the years, I have often heard Roman Catholics argue for 30,000 denominations. Has the number now increased to 40,000? It's just a sales pitch in their efforts to sell folks on the lie that ONLY their church is the so called "true church."

 

[mailmandan]

Can people give a clear simple answer??

Is it God's will that we obey His law of 10 commandments?

Since the old covenant has been made obsolete, does this leave us with no moral direction? Absolutely not. God made the old covenant obsolete to legally put into place the new covenant. (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:6-13) The life of discipleship flows out of the new command, to love one another as He loved us (John 13:34), which Paul refers to as the "law of Christ." (Galatians 6:2) Love fulfills the law (Romans 13:8-10) and out of this single command comes other commands, including references for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments which are reiterated under the new covenant, yet the command to keep the sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the new covenant.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - 1 Timothy 6:1; James 2:7; James 5:12
4. Keep the sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

Can you give a clear and simple answer? Have you perfectly obeyed all 10 commandments and is keeping the weekly sabbath day absolutely necessary for salvation?

 

[TMS]

It's his will that we do the righteousness required by the 10. Walking in faith and love is that righteousness

Yes I agree, walking in faith and love.
It's God's will that we obey.

 

[Gideon300]

dino, to be able to prove what you believe is incorrect would require many pages. I have learned over the years
to change a person mind even with sound facts and impeccable logic is almost impossible.

After Christ returns there will no longer be 40,000 Churches - only ONE.
then you will learn Truth.

There is only one church right now. You become a member by being born again. God recognises only those who are in Christ. Your basis is not the same as God's. If I were you, I would be making my calling and election and election sure.

 

[Cameron143]

The people in Matthew 7:21–23 did works, but Jesus said He never knew them, which means they did not have true faith. Real faith begins with knowing Jesus and doing the will of the Father. Their works were done without obedience, without a true heart, and without walking in God’s will.
Jesus explained this very clearly. He said:
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father” (Matthew 7:21 NKJV).
So the problem was not works. The problem was a lack of true faith that listens, obeys, and walks with Him. Their works had no life because they were not obeying His voice.

This is like Moses when he struck the rock instead of speaking to it as God commanded (Numbers 20:7–12 NKJV). Moses still did a “work” and water still came out, but he did not obey God’s voice. The action looked successful, yet it was disobedience, and God judged it as unbelief.
In the same way, the people in Matthew 7:21–23 had works, but they were not doing the Father’s will. Their actions looked religious, but they were not born from true faith and obedience.

please do mot extrapolate a question like you usually would do" Does this mean Moses will not enter heaven.....?

The point is works don't always reveal the existence of faith. Jesus was in the temple one day when many individuals gave large amounts compared to a woman who gave very little. Jesus took note of her offering.

 

[TMS]

Since the old covenant has been made obsolete, does this leave us with no moral direction? Absolutely not. God made the old covenant obsolete to legally put into place the new covenant. (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:6-13) The life of discipleship flows out of the new command, to love one another as He loved us (John 13:34), which Paul refers to as the "law of Christ." (Galatians 6:2) Love fulfills the law (Romans 13:8-10) and out of this single command comes other commands, including references for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments which are reiterated under the new covenant, yet the command to keep the sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the new covenant.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - 1 Timothy 6:1; James 2:7; James 5:12
4. Keep the sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

Can you give a clear and simple answer? Have you perfectly obeyed all 10 commandments and is keeping the weekly sabbath day absolutely necessary for salvation?

All have sinned
I have sinned and will likely sin in the future.
I aim to be sinless because that is what Jesus wants. I want to obey my saviour..
"I will give you rest" does Jesus give us rest from the guilt or from slavery to sin and guilt.
I believe both.
Sin is the transgression of the law. Sin is the enemy, and we need to HATE SIN.

Salvation is based on your relationship with Jesus. True love will lead to keeping all 10 of the commandments.. as we come to know the Lord's character and laws we will grow closer and obey more..

Do you continue to sin knowing it is wrong. Knowing that sin put Jesus on the cross, will you continue to sin? I aim to never sin again and by THE POWER OF JESUS that is possible.
Zec 4:6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.

By the Spirit we can overcome and obey.

4. Keep the sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17

One single verse which has been shown to hold no weight in the argument because it controdicts Paul's other writings and the cerimonial sabbaths were part of the ordinances..

One verse alone is a weak way of showing your argument when there are many other verses that shown the opposite..

Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God:
Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, (John was 90+ years old)

 

[Standard]

I never said I wasn't





No, actually I have died to self and have put on Christ as God's Word teaches.

I have made a quality decision to never turn away from the Lord.

A quality decision is one about which their is no debate and from which there is no retreat.

So, the war is over for me. I've made my decision.

But you do you and toggle between walking after the flesh (sin) and living for the Lord if you'd like

Romans 7 man says he is sold under sin so he is not a born again believer

The answer to Romans 7 is Romans 8 so keep reading.





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IF you were abiding In Christ you'd have victory over sin.

You claim you are a sinner so you are void of understanding currently.





You claim to still be a sinner so you have a lot to learn.

Real Christians identify and walk in righteousness.

Tares identify and walk in sin claiming they are still sinners. View attachment 284536





Yeah, those who are not willing to actually believe and live by what God's Word had better move on

Come on..... We're all called on to do our best and follow God's word, but we all fall short and that's where Jesus came in. He did what we couldn't as, yes, we are sinners. We have victory over sin through Christ and are no longer slaves to it, but we slip up, as do you, as do we all. We thank Jesus for His sacrifice and gift...

 

[TMS]

The covenant of the Law was with Israel. "Hear O Israel", not hear o Gentiles. The Law came through Moses and was a shadow. Jesus is the reality. I don't care if you accept the truth or not. I write this for others who might be persuaded by your specious arguments.

Believers live by the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. Those who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God. We are saved daily by grace. We recognise our own righteousness as filthy rags. We have righteousness as a gift, not according to our works. We are instructed to put on Christ and put off the flesh. We do not try to wrap ourselves in stone tablets. The Law is the ministry of death. We died and our lives are hidden in Christ. Our death includes dying to the law. Now for us to live is Christ.

Gal 3:28-29
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

We are all one in Christ.

One law and one faith..

We are told we are grafted into the Jewish nation.. seeds of Abraham..
The new covenant is made with the house of Israel.. does the new covenant apply to you?
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

The law does not save us from sin in any way.. the law can not save.

But it can reveal the difference between sin and not sinning.
Not Murdering and not stealing are recognized as good laws to obey. Why not follow all the laws God Himself personally gave. All 10.

 

[GWH]

Gal 3:28-29
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

We are all one in Christ.

One law and one faith..

We are told we are grafted into the Jewish nation.. seeds of Abraham..
The new covenant is made with the house of Israel.. does the new covenant apply to you?
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

The law does not save us from sin in any way.. the law can not save.

But it can reveal the difference between sin and not sinning.
Not Murdering and not stealing are recognized as good laws to obey. Why not follow all the laws God Himself personally gave. All 10.

Amen to oneness: One God (Rom. 1:20), one faith (Rom. 3:21-5:1), one covenant (Heb. 7:11-10:1), one law (John 13:35, Matt. 22:37-40)--which is NOT the Sabbath law.

Because the NT does not affirm the Sabbath Law as it did the moral commands in the Ten Commandments, one needs to discern the correct doctrine for Christians by considering the following Scriptures.

1. God rested from His work on the seventh day and made it holy per Gen. 2:2-3.

2. Moses promulgated the Sabbath law as the 4th of the Ten Commandments in Exo. 20:8-11, cf. Lev. 19:3&30, Deut. 5:12-15.

3. Solomon builds a temple for burnt offerings on the Sabbath in 2Chr. 2:4.

4. Isaiah said those are blessed who keep the Sabbath in Isa. 56:2-6.

5. Jeremiah commands keeping the Sabbath holy in Jer. 17:21-27.

6. Ezekiel referred to the Sabbaths in Ezek.20:12

7. Jesus declared he is Lord of the Sabbath and it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath in Matt. 12:1-12.

8. Jesus healed a crippled woman on the Sabbath in Luke 13:10-16.

If Jesus thought keeping the Sabbath was an important law, he would have affirmed it on these two occasions, but he did not specifically nullify it either, which jibes/harmonizes with what Paul wrote.

9. Paul taught that a person may rest on the Sabbath or not in Col. 2:16, Gal. 4:9-11 & Rom. 14:5.

10. Hebrews encourages Christians to enter God’s Sabbath rest by persevering faith in Heb. 3:7-4:11.

The primary sin per the NT is transgression of GRFS (Gal. 3:1-14), and secondary sins are transgression of Christ’s law (John 13:34), which summarizes the OT moral laws (Matt. 22:37-40) affirmed by the NT (Matt. 5:17-48) and calls them the fruit of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22-23), which does NOT include all 613 laws of Moses, such as those pertaining to mildew and infectious disease in Lev. 14.

Jesus fulfilled/accomplished the 613 Mosaic laws (Matt. 5:17-19) and taught that righteousness must surpass/supersede that of the Pharisees (Matt. 5:20) including Paul (Acts 22:3-5), to whom Jesus appeared, saying “Saul, why do you persecute me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads. I have appeared to you to appoint you as a servant and as a witness of what you have seen of me and what I will show you… I am sending you to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.”

Paul did just that when he preached to the folks (both Jews and Gentiles per Acts 14:1-5) in Galatia (Acts 13:49), encouraging them to remain true to the faith (Acts 14:22), which he reiterated in his epistle, beginning “I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel, which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ… But if anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!” (Gal. 1:3-9)

Paul stated the true gospel thusly, “I have been crucified with Christ, and I no longer live, but Christ [the HS] lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved he and gave himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness [holiness] could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!” Paul may also have written Hebrews, which warns against not entering God’s Sabbath rest by not holding firmly until the end the confidence/faith in Christ (Heb. 3:14, 4:2).

Heb. 7:11-10:1 begins as follows: “If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood, why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also… The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless, for the law made nothing perfect, and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God. Such a high priest truly meets our need… the Son, who has been made perfect forever, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven… The ministry of Jesus has received is superior to the old one [of Moses], since the NC is established on better promises… God said, ‘The days are coming when I will make a new covenant’ [JR 31:31-34]. It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts… By calling this covenant ‘new’, he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.”

In this passage the Lord says that the OC including the Sabbath commandment is obsolete/abrogated by the Gospel of Christ. Need GW say more? Okay, here is more Scripture where Sabbath law is viewed as Levitical rather than moral.

Matt. 5:17-20 – Jesus said that he came to fulfill the Law and that righteousness must surpass that of the Pharisees, who observed the Levitical laws (cf. Acts 22:2-3 & 26:4-5).

Matt. 12:1-8 – The disciples did what was unlawful on the Sabbath, but Jesus said the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.

Matt. 12:12-14/Mark 3:4-6 – Jesus said that it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath and healed a man, which prompted the Pharisees to plot to kill him for breaking the Sabbath.

Luke 13:10-17 – On a Sabbath Jesus broke Sabbath law by healing a crippled woman, which made the synagogue ruler indignant, so Jesus rebuked him for hypocrisy.

Luke 14:1-6 – While dining with a prominent Pharisee Jesus saw a sick man and healed him from dropsy, noting that an animal which had fallen in a well would have been pulled out with no objection.

John 5:1-18 – Jesus healed a paralyzed man on the Sabbath, so the Jews persecuted him for breaking the Sabbath law.

John 9:1-34 – Jesus healed a blind man on the Sabbath, who believed Jesus was a prophet, and the Jews had decided to excommunicate anyone who said Jesus was Messiah.

These Scriptures indicate that the main reason Jesus was crucified was for the crime of breaking Sabbath law and claiming to be from God. We see that Jesus never taught anyone to keep the fourth commandment and never hinted that it was an eternal moral law, but instead indicated that it is merely Levitical tradition, and so Paul wrote “Do not let anyone judge you… with regard to a Sabbath day” (Col. 2:16).

 

[memberofthebride]

If your explanation takes "many pages", then it's not based on straightforward Scripture.


You quote Catholic lies and expect me to take you seriously?

As I absolutely abhor all things catholic, what exactly am I quoting that is catholic lie?

 

[memberofthebride]

I definitely do not claim to understand much at all either.

I do know that the letters of the N.T and there were many letters were circling throughout the churches.

According to church history the N.T did not become canon until centuries later.

But we take all church history with a grain of salt.

With the N.T letters there were other letters which the church had to decide on, which were inspired or not.

Paul spoke the gospel to people across the Roman Empire because the written N.T did not exist.

Most folk until education became a public affair could not read or write for millennia.

I don't know for a fact that Jesus inspired the four gospels?

Do the four gospel authors say that God told them to write?

John wrote the book of Revelation because the angel told him to write it, that's inspired.

Paul's letters were mainly correction and encouragement.

So who decided the canon of the N.T and exactly when, we don't know.

Therefore: from what you wrote above you are telling me what you believe is based upon nothing.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

John 1:17
For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

The ten are the law given through Moses so we call them the law of Moses.

Its through Moses, not that its Moses law.

God directly spoke the Ten Commandments until the people told them to go through Moses. This doesn't change the ownership of God's Law, the Ten Commandments Exo20:6 Deut4:13 Exo31:18 its the law that is under God's mercy seat in God's Temple, not Moses Rev15:5 Rev11:19