I did tell you, I attend the same congregation that was founded in the spring of 31 AD in Jerusalem
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I did tell you, I attend the same congregation that was founded in the spring of 31 AD in Jerusalem
QUOTE="HigherGospel, post: 5667485, member: 343935"]Ever hear of a search engine?[/QUOTE
yes this is what came up
Obstructive Sleep Apnea Syndrome
yes this is what came up
Obstructive Sleep Apnea Syndrome
Well you ddn't pay for it so you don't own it yes love is freely given but if it is in your hands and if you own it then it is based on you not him and if it was in the fathers hands to begin with then you could not lose it but in your hands? yes I suppose one would have the ability to lose it because it relies on how well you keep up with it.
But you are not your own so therefore your salvation is not in your hands to begin with
Yeah, God's Word does not teach Obstructive Sleep Apnea Syndrome
Why not search for "Christian doctrine of OSAS" and see what you come up with
So you believe it's OK for Christians to continue living in sin then and it's all good?
Jesus has no problem with you living in sin?
For heavens sake are you really not going to listen to me? no we cannot live in sin and we cannot live in disobedience your stuck in your own interpretation oof what I am saying so your not seeng what I am actually saying. but by all means do as you sih because I made it clear where I stand if one is not obedient they aren;t lead by the spirit obedience is a natural response to a changed heart
Now do you believe you are fully obedient and without fault? Do you believe ouyu are without sin or shortcomings?
Apparently you actually do but don't want to acknowledge it because you know deep down it's heresy
You are not the Lord God Almighty so uh, NO I'm not going to listen to heresy no matter who it's coming from.
Well you have it in your mind that I believe something that I never once stated and you clearly have no intentions of listening to what I am saying I am not asking you to listen to heresy I am asking you to listen to what I am saying which is that no we cannot live in disobedience no cannot live in sin obedience is the natural response to a changed believer I don't understand what is so hard to grasp about that. Now if oyu believe you are without sin and without shortcomings then that right there is heresy for even the scriptures say that if anyone claims to be without sin the truth is not in them
1 John 1:8-2:11
New International Version
8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.
Your fallacious reasoning has apparently corrupted your capacity for showing respect.
Yeah, God's Word does not teach Obstructive Sleep Apnea Syndrome
Why not search for "Christian doctrine of OSAS" and see what you come up with
Thanks -- and no I never found that taught in the Old or the New. If a person willingly returns to sin, refusing to repent they are rejected
A poor man's definition of salvation
Acts 10:1 There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band, 2 A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.
When you hear people condemning "works based salvation" they never talk about this verse. If you listen to them giving alms and praying are simply filthy rags. Cornelius was not saved, the gospel had not come to him, and so why does the Bible care that he is a "devout man", or that he gives alms, or that he prayed to God alway? The reason is that it does matter. It did not result in his salvation, but it did result in God sending Peter to him with the gospel.
3 He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius.
This is also how it matters. He isn't saved, but that doesn't mean he can't see a vision. It doesn't mean that an angel of God can't be sent to him to speak to him.
4 And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.
How can this be? We can pray to God in the heaven because we are standing on the blood of Jesus. But what about Cornelius? One possible theory is that this is the same centurion that Jesus healed the servant. Another theory is that this centurion saw the crucifixion of Jesus. Even if neither of those is true we know that he would have heard what is going on, would have heard about the resurrection and crucifixion and miracles, and so he has heard the gospel. This message isn't so much about hearing the gospel as it is about Peter laying hands on them so that gentiles can enter into the church. The bottom line is we have a serious issue here, Jesus said no one comes to the Father but by Him. The prayers of Cornelius came to the Father, therefore we must assume they came by Jesus.
Now apply that to those who say we are not saved by baptism. OK, Cornelius wasn't saved by baptism either, but if you want to enter into the fellowship with the body of Christ you must be baptized. That is how Cornelius entered into the fellowship of the Body.
5 And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter: 6 He lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side: he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do.
God is working all things out for good. Everyone knows the keys of the kingdom were given to Peter. He is the one who must open the door to the Gentiles. Everyone knows that Peter denied the Lord when He was being tried and crucified. He has learned from that experience. He knows if you pretend to be absolute for the Lord you are lying to the Holy Spirit and it will result in spiritual death. So now the Lord is telling Him to open the doors to the Gentiles, he must be absolute for the Lord to do this because he knows this will bring intense persecution on him. He saw Stephen stoned to death so he knows very clearly that this could result in his being stoned to death. But he also knows that he must be absolute for the Lord.
Now it is very clear in the account that Cornelius and those with him fear God and do works of righteousness. What is not clear is if they have believed in Jesus Christ as Lord of all or not? Peter tells them this and the Spirit falls on them, but to be filled with the Spirit and to be clothed with the Spirit are two different things. Regardless of what the answer is we do know that Cornelius' prayers are a memorial unto God concerning the salvation of the Gentiles and the Gentiles becoming part of the church.
I see no reason to debate over whether or not Cornelius was already "saved". What we know for sure is that he was not clothed with the Spirit until Peter came, laid hands on them and baptized them into the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Which makes you wonder why people teach you aren't saved by baptism. OK, technically that may be true, but that means their definition of "being saved" does not include being clothed with the Spirit or entering into the fellowship of the Body of Christ. That is a poor man's definition of salvation where you are still on the outside looking in.
This is like a baby. The moment of conception is when life begins, that is when you believe in the Lord. Being baptized is when you come out of the birth canal.
Acts 10:1 There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band, 2 A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.
When you hear people condemning "works based salvation" they never talk about this verse. If you listen to them giving alms and praying are simply filthy rags. Cornelius was not saved, the gospel had not come to him, and so why does the Bible care that he is a "devout man", or that he gives alms, or that he prayed to God alway? The reason is that it does matter. It did not result in his salvation, but it did result in God sending Peter to him with the gospel.
3 He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius.
This is also how it matters. He isn't saved, but that doesn't mean he can't see a vision. It doesn't mean that an angel of God can't be sent to him to speak to him.
4 And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.
How can this be? We can pray to God in the heaven because we are standing on the blood of Jesus. But what about Cornelius? One possible theory is that this is the same centurion that Jesus healed the servant. Another theory is that this centurion saw the crucifixion of Jesus. Even if neither of those is true we know that he would have heard what is going on, would have heard about the resurrection and crucifixion and miracles, and so he has heard the gospel. This message isn't so much about hearing the gospel as it is about Peter laying hands on them so that gentiles can enter into the church. The bottom line is we have a serious issue here, Jesus said no one comes to the Father but by Him. The prayers of Cornelius came to the Father, therefore we must assume they came by Jesus.
Now apply that to those who say we are not saved by baptism. OK, Cornelius wasn't saved by baptism either, but if you want to enter into the fellowship with the body of Christ you must be baptized. That is how Cornelius entered into the fellowship of the Body.
5 And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter: 6 He lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side: he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do.
God is working all things out for good. Everyone knows the keys of the kingdom were given to Peter. He is the one who must open the door to the Gentiles. Everyone knows that Peter denied the Lord when He was being tried and crucified. He has learned from that experience. He knows if you pretend to be absolute for the Lord you are lying to the Holy Spirit and it will result in spiritual death. So now the Lord is telling Him to open the doors to the Gentiles, he must be absolute for the Lord to do this because he knows this will bring intense persecution on him. He saw Stephen stoned to death so he knows very clearly that this could result in his being stoned to death. But he also knows that he must be absolute for the Lord.
Now it is very clear in the account that Cornelius and those with him fear God and do works of righteousness. What is not clear is if they have believed in Jesus Christ as Lord of all or not? Peter tells them this and the Spirit falls on them, but to be filled with the Spirit and to be clothed with the Spirit are two different things. Regardless of what the answer is we do know that Cornelius' prayers are a memorial unto God concerning the salvation of the Gentiles and the Gentiles becoming part of the church.
I see no reason to debate over whether or not Cornelius was already "saved". What we know for sure is that he was not clothed with the Spirit until Peter came, laid hands on them and baptized them into the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Which makes you wonder why people teach you aren't saved by baptism. OK, technically that may be true, but that means their definition of "being saved" does not include being clothed with the Spirit or entering into the fellowship of the Body of Christ. That is a poor man's definition of salvation where you are still on the outside looking in.
This is like a baby. The moment of conception is when life begins, that is when you believe in the Lord. Being baptized is when you come out of the birth canal.
Speaking of sin that is on our record and not speaking as though we should be living in sin ongoing as you suppose
Good one!
I'd like to know what name is on the door as well.
Exactly. God's Word does not teach OSAS
Correct. And now, the OSAS heretics will be coming after you for saying that
Salvation is secure for those that abide In Christ
The OSAS people claim if one is abiding in Christ they are trying to earn their salvation.
So they advise people to NOT abide in Christ and to live in disobedience as to not be trying to earn one's salvation by living in obedience to the Lord.
Those OSAS people are a funky bunch
And then the false teachers proceed to make tares out of them
the way a Shepherd and a flock works, is that the Shepherd keeps the flock safe, not the other way around.
is your trust in yourself to keep yourself in Him? or in Him to guide you and to keep you?
You still can't distinguish between "living in sin" and committing the occasional sin.
if Salvation depends on our sinlessness, there is no such thing as Salvation.
many proud, blind people say this means i don't care if i sin or not and make no effort not to.
many proud, blind people say this means i don't care if i sin or not and make no effort not to.