Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[sawdust]

And when was the last time that you ask a dead man about God, and he responded in faith?

You either have not listened to a word that has been said throughout this thread or you are deliberately playing dumb.

The soul is not dead, it can function as God intended when He controls the sin nature and provides the truth one needs to hear. We were created to believe God's word, it is how we function in life by believing. There is nothing special about a man believing something. All the worth is in the object of belief, in the case of salvation, that would be Christ.

Spiritual death is the legacy we have inherited, it is the wages of sin with physical death being the outward confirmation of the inner reality. It is this death we are saved from when we are born from above and made spiritually alive. You keep putting the cart before the horse. We are not saved from death to believe, we believe to be saved. The heart is not intrinsically corrupted and therefore we do not need a heart transplant. What we need is grace (power) and truth (light) of which, we have more than abundance in Christ.

We believe in our heart then we are saved by the grace of God according to His promise.

Romans 10:9-13
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

Belief precedes regeneration and faith.

 

[cv5]

Only a nonsensical gnostic self important ignoramus could know that for certain!

Nope. Wrong again.

It is the ones who DO NOT know that are in deep trouble. A common biblical theme if not universal.

Of course it is only the biblically literate who understand this principle. So it makes perfect sense that you do not

 

[BillyBob]

Spiritual death is the legacy we have inherited

That was exactly my point. . . . . .

 

[BillyBob]

Belief precedes regeneration and faith.

Please tell me what you believe, if you 1) have not been enabled to believe.... and 2) have no faith.

 

[cv5]

More poor discernment.

@cv5 asked me to give an account for the Passover with specific directions on 4 levels in a response. What was his motivation. The request was ludicrous on its face. How can someone without research and study give an appropriate answer. He did so to change the topic and end discussion. Wonder why your great discernment powers are didn't allow you to perceive this or give him correction.
Again, discussions with you and your ilk are never edifying.

Grace and peace.

You still haven't figured out that the sprinkling of the Blood ALWAYS and ONLY comes AFTER the "I DO".

Something so simple a toddler could understand.

 

[sawdust]

That was exactly my point. . . . . .

But you never look beyond. You recognise God can raise a man from the dead but you can't see He can control a man's sin nature so he can respond of his own free will just as Adam and Christ responded of their own free will.

The intrinsic problem is in the flesh, not the heart. The heart lives in darkness but grace provides the light a man needs to choose. Until a man is met with the grace and truth of God he is unaware there is anything to choose between. There is no light or dark, only darkness.

You refuse to see that regeneration is salvation. You have a man saved to believe, when every verse in scripture calls for one to believe to be saved.

You refuse to recognise we are designed to live on the basis of believing. There is nothing special about believing something. Every decision we make in life is based on what we believe. It is intrinsic to our design as a human being. It is by means of grace through the word that faith is generated. Biblical faith is more than simply us believing, we cannot generate the confidence and assurance that faith gives Heb.11:1 only the power of the word can do that. Rom.10:17

There has been more than enough said in this thread for those with ears to hear.

The "one verse wonder" syndrome the Reformed/Calvin/TUPLIP (whatever term you want to use to describe the doctrine) uses is far too superficial for true understanding of God and man.

grace and peace

 

[sawdust]

Please tell me what you believe, if you 1) have not been enabled to believe.... and 2) have no faith.

What is it you dislike about being made responsible for what you believe? How can you give an account to the Lord God if you are not responsible for your choices?

 

[Blain]

Are you saying that Jesus shed His blood for everyone and all sin has been forgiven, but that the blood has not been applied? Aren't sins remitted by blood?

Sorry for the late reply but as for your question yes it is by the blood and it was for all people who would accept his offer of salvation. it is really quite simple he died for all man kind but not all mankind will accept it but for those who do it is applied to them

 

[Genez]

What I actually said was the rapture occurred during the first century. The use of the number 1000 is just the use of a large number to indicate in this case a long period of time. The Bible says God owns the cattle on a 1000 hills. Does this mean God only owns a 1000 hills? No. It means God owns every hill. And Satan has been bound according to Jesus who is building His church and the gates of hell are impotent to stop it. See Mark 3:27.

So silly....

So... who killed all the early Church martyrs?

If Satan was bound?

Jesus did it?

You are the kind that gets a thought that you like the feeling it gives you...
And you stop right there.
Final. No need for correction.

That's what you are playing like.

 

[sawdust]

So silly....

So... who killed all the early Church martyrs?

If Satan was bound?

Jesus did it?

You are the kind that gets a thought that you like the feeling it gives you...
And you stop right there.
Final. No need for correction.

That's what you are playing like.

He also conveniently forgets the following.

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

If the devil is roaming around his prison he has an extraordinarily long reach.

 

[Genez]

Sorry for the late reply but as for your question yes it is by the blood and it was for all people who would accept his offer of salvation. it is really quite simple he died for all man kind but not all mankind will accept it but for those who do it is applied to them

Yes sir...
That why it says...

That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, ​

who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe." 1 Timothy 4:10​

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[cv5]

But you never look beyond. You recognise God can raise a man from the dead but you can't see He can control a man's sin nature so he can respond of his own free will just as Adam and Christ responded of their own free will.

The intrinsic problem is in the flesh, not the heart. The heart lives in darkness but grace provides the light a man needs to choose. Until a man is met with the grace and truth of God he is unaware there is anything to choose between. There is no light or dark, only darkness.

You refuse to see that regeneration is salvation. You have a man saved to believe, when every verse in scripture calls for one to believe to be saved.

You refuse to recognise we are designed to live on the basis of believing. There is nothing special about believing something. Every decision we make in life is based on what we believe. It is intrinsic to our design as a human being. It is by means of grace through the word that faith is generated. Biblical faith is more than simply us believing, we cannot generate the confidence and assurance that faith gives Heb.11:1 only the power of the word can do that. Rom.10:17

There has been more than enough said in this thread for those with ears to hear.

The "one verse wonder" syndrome the Reformed/Calvin/TUPLIP (whatever term you want to use to describe the doctrine) uses is far too superficial for true understanding of God and man.

grace and peace

"The "one verse wonder" syndrome the Reformed/Calvin/TUPLIP (whatever term you want to use to describe the doctrine) uses is far too superficial for true understanding of God and man."

Amen. Ask yourself why is it that Biblically accurate teachings are habitually dismissed, avoided or trivialized with glee by "the crew".

What's the motive? The gameplay?
Purposefully resisting the truth? What's that all about?

 

[cv5]

He also conveniently forgets the following.

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

If the devil is roaming around his prison he has an extraordinarily long reach.

Extraordinary willful ignorance IMO, as even the humblest student should know those passages.

 

[Genez]

He also conveniently forgets the following.

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

If the devil is roaming around his prison he has an extraordinarily long reach.

He knows too much to be a baby Christian.

He also goes out of his way to gather data to make his case.

I wonder what is driving him to be so contrary?
Is he out to prove that Christians are stupid?

 

[Cameron143]

Sorry for the late reply but as for your question yes it is by the blood and it was for all people who would accept his offer of salvation. it is really quite simple he died for all man kind but not all mankind will accept it but for those who do it is applied to them

Jesus dies on the cross and sheds His blood. You say God accepts this as payment for the sins of every person in history. The only way this is possible is for God to apply Jesus' blood to their sins because according to Hebrews 9:22 , there is no remission of sin without the shedding of blood. According to Hebrews 9:12, people who's sins are forgiven by the blood of Christ are redeemed and are the purchase of God. Likewise, 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 tell us such ones belong to God. This means they are in Christ, because all the promises of God are in Christ. But...

Not everyone does belong to God or is in Christ. How is this possible if Jesus blood which brings forgiveness and redemption for those it is offered and accepted for?

 

[Genez]

What I actually said was the rapture occurred during the first century. The use of the number 1000 is just the use of a large number to indicate in this case a long period of time. The Bible says God owns the cattle on a 1000 hills. Does this mean God only owns a 1000 hills? No. It means God owns every hill. And Satan has been bound according to Jesus who is building His church and the gates of hell are impotent to stop it. See Mark 3:27.

That is not true!

You keep failing to see EVIL.

 

[Cameron143]

So silly....

So... who killed all the early Church martyrs?

If Satan was bound?

Jesus did it?

You are the kind that gets a thought that you like the feeling it gives you...
And you stop right there.
Final. No need for correction.

That's what you are playing like.

Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Doesn't sound like Satan is in control.

 

[Cameron143]

He also conveniently forgets the following.

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

If the devil is roaming around his prison he has an extraordinarily long reach.

Resist the devil and he will flee from you.

He may come roaring, but it seems he leaves whimpering.

 

[cv5]

That is not true!

You keep failing to see EVIL.

[Mar 3:10-11, 15 KJV]
10 For he had healed many; insomuch that they pressed upon him for to touch him, as many as had plagues.
11 And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God. ...
15 And to have power to heal sicknesses, and to cast out devils:

Luk 13:16 - And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?

Mar 3:27 - No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.

Yes, @Cameron143 got it wrong. Again.
The CONTEXT is healing and casting out devils. Most of the chapter in fact.

So the binding (and loosing!) is NOT UNIVERSAL in scope. On the contrary , it occurs on a case by case basis.

I wonder....will there be contrition and correction? Or obstinacy and denials?

 

[Genez]

Matthew 27:53

They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared to many people.'

They were not resurrected!

They were simply resuscitated.
For they were raised to life, only to die again.

Like Lazarus was resuscitated!