Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Kroogz said:
sin

Original Word: ἁμαρτία
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: hamartia
Pronunciation: hah-mar-TEE-ah
Phonetic Spelling: (ham-ar-tee'-ah)
KJV: offence, sin(-ful)
NASB: sin, sins, sinful
Word Origin: [from G264 (ἁμαρτάνω - sinned)]





deeds

ergon: Work, deed, action, task, labor
Original Word: ἔργον
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: ergon
Pronunciation: ER-gon
Phonetic Spelling: (er'-gon)
KJV: deed, doing, labour, work
NASB: works, deeds, work, deed, action, behavior, doing
Word Origin: [from a primary (but obsolete) ergo "to work"]

Ok. So we can rightly say Christ died for the deeds of the world. You never cease from being 100% wrong.
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That's your false conclusion; not mine.
 
Cameron143 said:
Unbelief is sin...1 John 3:23.

Sin is what separates an individual from God...Isaiah 59:2.

If someone is in a state of unbelief, they aren't placed under condemnation. They are already under condemnation...John 3:18.

If unbelief is a sin, it can be forgiven. Anyone who believes was once in unbelief.

On the cross, our sins were bore in Jesus body. If this is so, then according to many here, God, having paid for every sin of every person, is now acting unrighteously by still requiring sins to be paid for that have been placed behind His back and remembered no more.
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I dont know why this is so hard for people to grasp. He died for the sins of the whole world. His blood was sufficient to cover every single one. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS ASK. why oh why do you make it sound like you think people are saying no one has to ask?? Like every single person was forgivin wether they ask or not. Why??? You are smart enough to know that is not what we are saying. If you dont believe that doctrine then fine. That means all you are doing is trying to start the same argument over and over. Like you are bored or something.
 
Jackson129 said:
I dont know why this is so hard for people to grasp. He died for the sins of the whole world. His blood was sufficient to cover every single one. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS ASK. why oh why do you make it sound like you think people are saying no one has to ask?? Like every single person was forgivin wether they ask or not. Why??? You are smart enough to know that is not what we are saying. If you dont believe that doctrine then fine. That means all you are doing is trying to start the same argument over and over. Like you are bored or something.
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Psalm 118:15
Shouts of joy and salvation resound in the tents of the righteous: “The right hand of the LORD performs with valor!
 
Jackson129 said:
I dont know why this is so hard for people to grasp. He died for the sins of the whole world. His blood was sufficient to cover every single one. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS ASK. why oh why do you make it sound like you think people are saying no one has to ask?? Like every single person was forgivin wether they ask or not. Why??? You are smart enough to know that is not what we are saying. If you dont believe that doctrine then fine. That means all you are doing is trying to start the same argument over and over. Like you are bored or something.
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We aren't saved by asking. We are saved when we believe.
I don't believe the Bible teaches that Jesus paid for the sins of every single person. We can discuss this if you like.
I didn't begin any of the conversations I'm currently in. I simply responded to other's posts to me. Are they trying to start arguments? Are they bored or something?
 
Cameron143 said:
We aren't saved by asking. We are saved when we believe.
I don't believe the Bible teaches that Jesus paid for the sins of every single person. We can discuss this if you like.
I didn't begin any of the conversations I'm currently in. I simply responded to other's posts to me. Are they trying to start arguments? Are they bored or something?
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When you believe what do you do?? You ask for forgiveness of your sins.. and they are forgiven. Because Jesus blood was sufficient for all of them. We all know it dosent happen this way. So hypothetical here. If everyone believed in the lord as in everyone one earth since his death and asked for forgiveness of sins. Jesus blood is sufficient for that.
 
Cameron143 said:
No I'm not.
You said sin is breaking the law. We are commanded to believe. While not believing may be considered evil, it is most certainly sin by your own definition.
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Yes you are.

Conception must precede birth. Evil is what is conceived in the heart, sin is what is produced whether that be by thought, word or deed or at times, all three at once.

I showed you what must precede in order for that sin to occur. Not rocket science mate.

Christ died for our sin, He did not die for the evil desire that rejects Him.

This is why, even though the wages of sin is death, God can raise all men from the dead because all sin has been paid for. What has not been paid for is the rejection of truth that leads to sin. For this reason everyone is still to be judged in their handling of the truth. Believers at the judgement seat of Christ, unbelievers at the great White Throne.
 
Jackson129 said:
When you believe what do you do?? You ask for forgiveness of your sins.. and they are forgiven. Because Jesus blood was sufficient for all of them. We all know it dosent happen this way. So hypothetical here. If everyone believed in the lord as in everyone one earth since his death and asked for forgiveness of sins. Jesus blood is sufficient for that.
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It is sufficient for all who believe.
 
sawdust said:
Yes you are.

Conception must precede birth. Evil is what is conceived in the heart, sin is what is produced whether that be by thought, word or deed or at times, all three at once.

I showed you what must precede in order for that sin to occur. Not rocket science mate.

Christ died for our sin, He did not die for the evil desire that rejects Him.

This is why, even though the wages of sin is death, God can raise all men from the dead because all sin has been paid for. What has not been paid for is the rejection of truth that leads to sin. For this reason everyone is still to be judged in their handling of the truth. Believers at the judgement seat of Christ, unbelievers at the great White Throne.
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God doesn't need all sin to be paid for to raise people up for judgment.

I appreciate the discussion, but as usual it hasn't been edifying. Grace and peace.
 
Cameron143 said:
Why would I show something I haven't claimed?

Try to follow the logic:
If Jesus paid for every individual's sin, and sin can only be remitted by blood, then the blood of Jesus must have been applied to every individual. Who applied it?
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"teaching that God has applied the blood to every heart"

Of course you claimed thus. So quit with the slithering denials and escape routine.
Propounding biblically illiterate nonsense and then slithering away when proven wrong is your forte.
 
Cameron143 said:
Why would I show something I haven't claimed?

Try to follow the logic:
If Jesus paid for every individual's sin, and sin can only be remitted by blood, then the blood of Jesus must have been applied to every individual. Who applied it?
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It is applied to anyone who believes
 
Cameron143 said:
Why would I show something I haven't claimed?

Try to follow the logic:
If Jesus paid for every individual's sin, and sin can only be remitted by blood, then the blood of Jesus must have been applied to every individual. Who applied it?
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And FYI, God likewise did not cross the Red Sea FOR the Israelites by proxy either.
He led them across......and they had the CHOICE to either to follow or stay behind.
 
Cameron143 said:
God doesn't need all sin to be paid for to raise people up for judgment.

I appreciate the discussion, but as usual it hasn't been edifying. Grace and peace.
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Yes He does otherwise He is not keeping His word. There is nothing righteous about saying "sin and you will die" then raising people from the dead to judge them for what they have already been punished. It is tantamount to rubbing their nose in their sin.

God must keep His word and we remain dead OR He provides a solution to sin so He is able to both keep His word AND remain righteous when He does the opposite.

I'm here to speak the truth, not stroke your ego.

grace and peace
 
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