The New Covenant is established on the death and resurrection of Christ. Let's assume you have a Bible. Perhaps do not ignore almost half of the NT and you would clearly see that to be true.
The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?
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The New Covenant is established on the death and resurrection of Christ. Let's assume you have a Bible. Perhaps do not ignore almost half of the NT and you would clearly see that to be true.
Hey you know, if you are convinced you are under the law, must keep the commandments and you are so confused that you think Jesus died to help you keep the OT law, then, what is to stop you from believing you are now sinless?
Deception just creates more of the same.
Galatians 2:16
Yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified
Well I mean it's all pretty much made up. Yah gotta fill in the blanks when almost half of the NT is not valid cause Paul wrote.
The moral law of God existed long before Moses wrote them down. Paul argued that even people who had no understanding of the written Law had knowledge of right and wrong. Thus, before the Torah commanded us not to kill, Cain knew hating and killing his brother was wrong.
14 For whenever the Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature the things of the law, these, although they[a] do not have the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written on their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts one after another accusing or even defending them 16 on the day when God judges the secret things of people, according to my gospel, through[b] Christ Jesus.
(Romans 2:14-29)
14 For whenever the Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature the things of the law, these, although they[a] do not have the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written on their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts one after another accusing or even defending them 16 on the day when God judges the secret things of people, according to my gospel, through[b] Christ Jesus.
(Romans 2:14-29)
Romans 8:16
The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, not that we are sinless.
Is it possible that what you call the "moral law" is really love of others.
Or more precisely, the moral law is a list of things that are not love.
Since we know God is love.
We also know the fruit of the H.S is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness...
We also know the definition of love is patient, kind...
It appears that just below the surface of this creation is that eternal commandment to love others.
Obviously, Cain did not love his own brother.
This, in fact, is the message we have from the beginning to love others.
The moral law is a weak and primitive outline of that which is not love.
It goes without saying that stealing is a sin.
But not stealing something is not actually the act of loving others.
It is simply not stealing.
God is love above all.
My point: there was no moral law in the creation template from the beginning.
The first law and only law necessary in the Kingdom of God was first practiced by the Son and the Father.
It goes like this: Father to the Son, "I am bound by my love for you. Do what I reveal to you."
This is the arrangement seen at creation after God said "Let there be light". From that point on, God would reveal eternal, hidden things about Himself, in time and space, through His Son.
Genesis 1:3 "Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light."
John taught us the order in which this occurred: through the Son: the Word of God "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made."
And furthermore...
"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."
So, the entirety of creation, both heaven and earth, was assembled to house the fullness of the estate of the Son who was sent. This is the kingdom of the Son of His love.
"He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love..."
This ensures that all who are in Him, likewise, receive what the Father has for the Son: love. The "inheritance of the saints", therefore, is the presence of the Father and Son in them, just as the saints are in the Father and Son.
Jesus said it like this:
"And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me."
Now, some might quote "God does not share His glory with another." This is from Isaiah 42: "I am the LORD; that is my name; I will not give my glory to another..."
This is true: God will not give His glory to another.
But in Christ, we are not another! We are His flesh and His bones, as the scriptures say:
"For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones."
This is the reality of Jesus' prayer and the spiritual reality of all who are in Christ, by His sacrifice. We are inserted, through the veil that is His flesh, into Him and so are regarded AS HIM by the Father: His beloved, His only begotten. By this, man is fully reconciled to God, as sons of God, to the Father.
This is not CONciliation; the best we can do in our efforts. This is RECONCILiation: the full restoration of what was lost in the fall: we are born anew, in the image and likeness of the Son.
My point: there was no moral law in the creation template from the beginning. What was transcribed was the icon, the perfect image of God, in the Son. And the Son, having given up His own life in order to represent the Father fully. There was only love between the Father and the Son. "For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself does..." This love, the Father for the Son and the Son for the Father, was the only law needed. And this law was like gravity: a condition of the template of creation, further understood by the revelation by the Spirit or Christ Jesus.
The first law and only law necessary in the Kingdom of God was first practiced by the Son and the Father.
It goes like this: Father to the Son, "I am bound by my love for you. Do what I reveal to you."
This is the arrangement seen at creation after God said "Let there be light". From that point on, God would reveal eternal, hidden things about Himself, in time and space, through His Son.
Genesis 1:3 "Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light."
John taught us the order in which this occurred: through the Son: the Word of God "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made."
And furthermore...
"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."
So, the entirety of creation, both heaven and earth, was assembled to house the fullness of the estate of the Son who was sent. This is the kingdom of the Son of His love.
"He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love..."
This ensures that all who are in Him, likewise, receive what the Father has for the Son: love. The "inheritance of the saints", therefore, is the presence of the Father and Son in them, just as the saints are in the Father and Son.
Jesus said it like this:
"And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me."
Now, some might quote "God does not share His glory with another." This is from Isaiah 42: "I am the LORD; that is my name; I will not give my glory to another..."
This is true: God will not give His glory to another.
But in Christ, we are not another! We are His flesh and His bones, as the scriptures say:
"For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones."
This is the reality of Jesus' prayer and the spiritual reality of all who are in Christ, by His sacrifice. We are inserted, through the veil that is His flesh, into Him and so are regarded AS HIM by the Father: His beloved, His only begotten. By this, man is fully reconciled to God, as sons of God, to the Father.
This is not CONciliation; the best we can do in our efforts. This is RECONCILiation: the full restoration of what was lost in the fall: we are born anew, in the image and likeness of the Son.
My point: there was no moral law in the creation template from the beginning. What was transcribed was the icon, the perfect image of God, in the Son. And the Son, having given up His own life in order to represent the Father fully. There was only love between the Father and the Son. "For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself does..." This love, the Father for the Son and the Son for the Father, was the only law needed. And this law was like gravity: a condition of the template of creation, further understood by the revelation by the Spirit or Christ Jesus.
Do you agree with what Paul said?
not counting their trespasses against them
Is God keeping a list of your sin?
You hammered the fundamental revelation of the Son in His full glory.
The tablets of stone turned to dust when the Word became flesh.
I do not believe God "does not look at my sins." How can a Father CORRECT and CHANGE a son who refuses to acknowledge any fault in himself? In order to deliver us from the desires of the carnal mind God must first make us aware of our sins or the particular sins He wants to deal with. He does this through searching our hearts with hishining the light into us
Jesus showed us that the Law was a written transcription of principles derived from the nature of God who is Love. I agree completely
This sounds like the Orthodox conception of God and redemption which I certainly do not disagree with.
Yeah. There was only relationship: Father and Son. And love between the two defined the outcome.
Jesus shows that moral law existed from the beginning, not starting at Sinai. When He answered the Pharisees about marriage, He did not introduce a new rule. He took them back to creation and said, “From the beginning it hath not been so” (Matthew 19:8 ASV). Jesus was teaching that God’s way, God’s order, and God’s expectations were already set at creation. He did not say the standard started with Moses. He said it started “from the beginning.”
To make this even clearer, the creation story itself shows moral law existed before Adam and Eve sinned. God commanded Adam, “Of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat” (Genesis 2:17 ASV). A command is a moral standard. Obedience and disobedience only exist where moral law is already present. And when they broke this command, God judged them. Judgment proves a standard. You cannot judge without law.
We also see moral law in how God expected Adam to live before the fall. God told him to “keep” the garden (Genesis 2:15). The Hebrew meaning includes watch, guard, take care. These are moral duties. They existed before sin entered the world.
Then comes Cain. God told him, “If thou doest well, shall it not be lifted up? and if thou doest not well, sin croucheth at the door” (Genesis 4:7 ASV). God uses the word “sin” long before Sinai. Sin means breaking God’s will. This shows that right and wrong, obedience and disobedience, were known from the earliest days of humanity.
Even the story of Noah proves the same truth. Before the flood, God said the people were filled with “violence” (Genesis 6:11). Violence is wrong only if there is a moral law defining it as wrong. Noah, on the other hand, was “a righteous man” (Genesis 6:9). You cannot be called righteous unless God’s standard already exists.
All these things stand together with Jesus’ words. When He said “from the beginning,” He was reminding us that God’s way has never changed. God’s character does not begin at Sinai. His moral will was present in creation, active in Eden, spoken to Cain, and used to judge the world in Noah’s day.
The claim “there was no moral law in the creation template” is not true. From the beginning, God gave commands, judged disobedience, and praised righteousness. Jesus confirms it. The whole early Genesis history confirms it. Moral law was there from the first breath of human life.
GOD was with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden from creation and spoke to them!
The tablets of stone turned to dust when the Word became flesh.[/QUOTE]
ABSURD! as usual
ABSURD! as usual
And then Jesus took the old covenant away and establish the New Covenant as we see in the Book of Hebrews
Were you not aware of this???
Hebrews 10:9
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
(God said He would make a New Covenant - see Jeremiah 31:31-34)
Hebrews 8:6
But now hath Jesus obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also Jesus is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
And with the changing of the priesthood, God’s Word tells us there is also a change of the law.
Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Dude, you need to up yo game and get with God's program - the New Covenant!
Yes, and the Holy Spirit's precense in one's innermost being is far more than just being "figurative" - it's REALITY, at least for true Christians.
Technically the first Commandments covers this which is why Jesus said to love God first and foremost.
So called "orthodox" is code for reformed theology which is actually heresy and not based on the whole counsel of God.
So, you're only missing out on people trying to deceive you by not studying the so called orthodox view
And of course on the flip side the catholics claim only they are "orthodox" but they are a cult.
Are you saying that you have not been reconciled to God.
That Jesus failed to some extent to atone for your sin?
The law is weak and useless but the H.S supplies us with the fruit.
Galatians 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness,
self-control; against such things there is no law.
Gentiles were never under the law of Moses.