Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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I don't believe God applied the blood of Christ to every heart.
What is this then? Another biblically illiterate delusional dogma of your own making?
I say this because nowhere in the Bible does it declare, imply or infer ANYTHING like that "procedure".
What the Bible DOES say about the heart is things like the following:
Act 8:37
Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”[fn]
Rom 10:9
that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
Rom 6:17
But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered.
2Co 3:3
clearly you are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart.
Deu 10:16
Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
That's because you made an assumption, it is not applied to each individual heart. Our sins were placed on Christ and His blood washed away our sin. It is in Christ all sin is forgiven. The blood is applied to the individual upon believing. Believing is analogous to applying the blood to the lintel.
The application of Jesus' blood is to sin. If it has been applied to each individual's sin, God would have to pass over every individual. There is no need for a day of judgment.
Is it your contention that Jesus' blood paid for every individual's sin? If so, it has been applied to every individual's sin.
Cameron143 said:
I don't believe God applied the blood of Christ to every heart. You do if you believe that Jesus paid for the sins of every person.
I don't believe God applied the blood of Christ to every heart.
What is this then? Another biblically illiterate delusional dogma of your own making?
I say this because nowhere in the Bible does it declare, imply or infer ANYTHING like that "procedure".
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Refusing to face up to another one of your bogus teachings again are we? Why pray tell?
And what are the implications of not making the necessary course corrections?
Cameron?
Do you even know what you are fighting?
Or, do you just sense a need to fight?
Yes and that is why it is for the sins of the whole world. Wether 1 person believes or the billions who have lived since then it is enough for all.
This is why you have to deny evil and "good" deeds.
You have not matured enough to discern from good and evil.
Yeah. I give the benefit of the doubt to everybody.......But that is wearing out.
"It's all good" and not one post of the Gospel of Christ. Frankly, not one calvie/deformed/tulip theory advocate has declared His Gospel.
Eat , drink and be merry....It's all Good!
And utterly NEGLECTING the Witness of believing in the Lord Jesus and you shall be saved.....
Hebrews 9:22
Ephesians 1:7
1 Corinthians 6:19-20
Please read the above verses. Without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sin. If sins have been done away with, it is only through the blood of Christ.
In His blood is also forgiveness of sin and redemption. It is the blood that redeems an individual. Accordingly, we are the purchase of God. We belong to Him.
Given these truths, if one has had their sins paid for, they are redeemed and belong to God. Since all the promises of God are in Christ, we belong to Christ. If we are Christ's, He will lose none of us.
So...if one believes that Jesus paid for the sins of every person, then they must also believe that their sins are forgiven, they have been redeemed, they belong to God, and are in Christ.
I don't believe that this is what scripture teaches.
One has to APPLY the blood to be saved. It is offered to all. Sin was the barrier that the Lord Jesus Christ removed.
Believe in the Lord Jesus and you shall be saved.....
Evil. Try to start learning about evil.
https://gbible.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Angelic-Conflict.pdf
application of Jesus' blood.......to sin.
Why have you compounded your earlier error by conjuring up yet another biblically illiterate delusional dogma of your own making?
Nowhere in the Bible does it declare, imply or infer ANYTHING like that "procedure".
Lev 16:15
Then shall he kill the goat of the sin offering, that is for the people, and bring his blood within the vail, and do with that blood as he did with the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat, and before the mercy seat:
Lev 5:9
And he shall sprinkle of the blood of the sin offering upon the side of the altar; and the rest of the blood shall be wrung out at the bottom of the altar: it is a sin offering.
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In Old Testament theology, the mercy seat (Hebrew kappōret) functions as a rich symbolic “type” that points beyond itself. Its meaning unfolds on several levels, but there is a clear center of gravity.
1. Primary symbolic type: God’s throne of atonement
The mercy seat was the gold cover of the Ark of the Covenant (Exodus 25:17–22). It was not merely a lid.
- It marked the place where God’s presence dwelt (“There I will meet with you”).
- It was where atoning blood was sprinkled on the Day of Atonement (Leviticus 16).
Symbolically, it represents:
- God’s throne among His people
- A place where judgment and mercy meet
The Law (inside the ark) condemns; the mercy seat covers the Law with blood. That tension is intentional.
2. Typological meaning: Christ as the place of atonement
In Christian theology, the mercy seat is a type of Christ Himself, not merely His work.
This is explicit in the New Testament:
“God presented Christ as a propitiation [Greek: hilastērion] through faith in His blood.”
— Romans 3:25
The Greek hilastērion is the same word used in the Septuagint for “mercy seat.”
Thus:
- The mercy seat prefigures Christ
- Christ is where atonement actually occurs
- He is the true “meeting place” between God and humanity
In typological terms:
The mercy seat is not a symbol of forgiveness alone, but of satisfied justice through blood.
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What the altar is a type of
1. A place of atonement (covering for sin)
- The altar is where blood was shed to deal with sin (Leviticus 17:11).
- Sin is addressed there, but the altar represents God’s provision for sin, not sin itself.
2. Substitutionary sacrifice
- An innocent animal dies in place of the guilty worshiper.
- The altar therefore symbolizes substitution: life given for life.
3. Divine judgment satisfied
- Fire on the altar represents God’s judgment consuming the sacrifice instead of the sinner (Leviticus 9:24).
- The altar is where judgment falls, but not on the person.
4. A meeting place between God and humanity
- God says He will meet Israel at the altar (Exodus 29:42–43).
- This makes it a place of reconciliation, not condemnation.
You can't on one hand say that Jesus shed His blood for every one, and then say it hasn't been applied. Either Jesus shed His blood for an individual or He didn't. If the individual's sins are covered by Christ's blood, it must have been applied to those sins.
Author Karen Hancock put it this way:
“The ultimate conspiracy, its true nature and parameters remain among the most carefully guarded secrets of all time. For the devil has deceived the whole world, as God tells us through the apostle John. Satan is the prince of the powers of the air, the ruler of the earth, the roaring lion prowling about seeking someone to devour. He is craftier than any creature, able to appear as an angel of light, with an indescribably beautiful voice. Farsuperior to man in intellect, he has blinded the minds of men, both Christians and non-Christians alike, persuading them that there is no God, that they are not sinners, that they do not need grace, that they can please God with their own works—thatthere is no devil, no hell, no unseen war at all” (see Rev12:9; Rev13:4; Eph2:2; Joh12:31; Mat4:8-9; Eze28:13-19; 2Cor11:3,14-15)
Matt 27:51
And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split.
Some experts say this was a tightly woven veil, that was possibly 12" thick.
“The ultimate conspiracy, its true nature and parameters remain among the most carefully guarded secrets of all time. For the devil has deceived the whole world, as God tells us through the apostle John. Satan is the prince of the powers of the air, the ruler of the earth, the roaring lion prowling about seeking someone to devour. He is craftier than any creature, able to appear as an angel of light, with an indescribably beautiful voice. Farsuperior to man in intellect, he has blinded the minds of men, both Christians and non-Christians alike, persuading them that there is no God, that they are not sinners, that they do not need grace, that they can please God with their own works—thatthere is no devil, no hell, no unseen war at all” (see Rev12:9; Rev13:4; Eph2:2; Joh12:31; Mat4:8-9; Eze28:13-19; 2Cor11:3,14-15)
Matt 27:51
And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split.
Some experts say this was a tightly woven veil, that was possibly 12" thick.
Acts 16:31.......For you and your household......
Equal privilege and equal opportunity for you and everyone in your household. At least I have no worries for all in your household....He died for all.