Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[reneweddaybyday]

Agree! We are making progress. . . .

well ... He is a God of miracles ...

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[HeIsHere]

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Well done, lol!!

 

[HeIsHere]

There are legitimate serious seekers and students and scholars here who by diligence find the truth. Furthermore, they make course corrections when found to be in error.

On the other hand, the trolls, hacks, wanna-bes, frauds and jokers enjoy none of these fine attributes.

It is exceedingly easy to see to which of these two groups you belong.

Agree, there is no progress, and no real agreement, typically they persist until the person acquiesces to them on some point so they feel they have gained the upper hand, it is all very contrived.
I really do think they are always looking to convert people.

 

[Solitude]

The those who hate free-will, pity party has finally died down, or has it?

 

[Genez]

Never mind mind it doesn't matter but we can at least agree that scripture is truth yes? So if the scriptures say something we should listen correct? so if I am to understand correctly the scriptures that specifically say that no one comes to Christ unless the father draws them should be as it says so in my understanding at least this alone should be enough to prove that one requires his leading to come to salvation thus the flesh which only desires the things of the flesh is not capable of seeking God by their own volition

When someone tries to win God's approval by doing works?
They are attempting to draw God to themselves.

Ever think of it like that before?

So?
When Jesus spoke of God must do the drawing?
He was dealing with Jews who had become works crazed for gaining salvation.

In essence?
Jesus was declaring to them? ...

It is not you, who must draw God to you!​

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So stop it!!!​

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God must draw you to Himself!​

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[Blain]

When someone tries to win God's approval by doing works?
They are attempting to draw God to themselves.

Ever think of it like that before?

So?
When Jesus spoke of God must do the drawing?
He was dealing with Jews who had become works crazed for gaining salvation.

In essence?
Jesus was declaring to them? ...

It is not you, who must draw God to you!​

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So stop it!!!​

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God must draw you to Himself!​

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Qhat on earth are going on about? of course it has to be God drawing us and not the other way around I never once said otherwise calm down bro

 

[Genez]

Qhat on earth are going on about? of course it has to be God drawing us and not the other way around I never once said otherwise calm down bro

I guess you did not know?

TULIP Calvinists are convinced that God must drag people to the altar to get them saved.
To them, that is what the drawing of God means.
Like dragging captured fish in a net.


I said what I said... in part, with them in mind.

 

[Jordon]

I guess you did not know?

TULIP Calvinists are convinced that God must drag people to the altar to get them saved.
To them, that is what the drawing of God means.
Like dragging captured fish in a net.


I said what I said... in part, with them in mind.

all this would be plausible if it where all true but sadly it's in bits and pieces, like your monkey head.

 

[Jordon]

What on earth are going on about? bro

that's easy he's just popped in for another rant

 

[bytheblood]

I don't understand your question. Did you see the verses I posted regarding repentance? Many people superficially and intellectually "repent", but true, lasting, repentance is only given to someone by God.



The world is the world to come, not this current world. Jesus's kingdom is not of this world. The sins will have been forgiven for everyone chosen for that world.
BTW, by the "my little children", he is addressing only the elect, saints, not everyone.

Look, I have better things to do than argue with you about this, so we're done.

Did you not read "... And He (Jesus) is the propitiation for our sins: and NOT FOR OURS ONLY, BUT ALSO FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD ", (1 John 2:2), where does it say " the sins of the Whole World to come? Jesus died for the sins of every man, woman, boy and girl born of a woman, up to the last sinner, before His return. The Bible is replete with instructions for man to repent. The word" give" from 2 Timothy 2:25 is from the Greek didomi ( Strong's 1325 ) and the word, IMHO, can better, in context, be translated, grant. Since it is on man, influenced by the goodness of God, to repent, from the heart, God then GRANTS him repentance." You lust, and have not: you kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain : you fight and war, YOU HAVE NOT BECAUSE YOU ASK NOT. Ye ask, and receive not, because you ask amiss, that you may consume it upon your lusts." James 4:2-3. So in repentance, man has a part to play, by faith, and so does God, by grace.

 

[Cameron143]

Did you not read "... And He (Jesus) is the propitiation for our sins: and NOT FOR OURS ONLY, BUT ALSO FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD ", (1 John 2:2), where does it say " the sins of the Whole World to come? Jesus died for the sins of every man, woman, boy and girl born of a woman, up to the last sinner, before His return. The Bible is replete with instructions for man to repent. The word" give" from 2 Timothy 2:25 is from the Greek didomi ( Strong's 1325 ) and the word, IMHO, can better, in context, be translated, grant. Since it is on man, influenced by the goodness of God, to repent, from the heart, God then GRANTS him repentance." You lust, and have not: you kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain : you fight and war, YOU HAVE NOT BECAUSE YOU ASK NOT. Ye ask, and receive not, because you ask amiss, that you may consume it upon your lusts." James 4:2-3. So in repentance, man has a part to play, by faith, and so does God, by grace.

If Jesus paid for the sins of every person past, present, and future, and the Father has accepted this payment for all people, on what basis does God send individuals to hell? If He does so, is this righteous?

 

[bytheblood]

If Jesus paid for the sins of every person past, present, and future, and the Father has accepted this payment for all people, on what basis does God send individuals to hell? If He does so, is this righteous?

If I told you that I put 10,000,000 dollars into your bank account and you didn't believe me and never went to the bank, would you be a millionaire? No, because of your unbelief, you didn't receive what was freely given to you. You have to believe in Jesus , who made the payment for your sins, to receive salvation. So it is unbelief that causes people to go to hell, not God, He gave us the ability to choose. "... choose you this day whom you will serve..." Joshua 24:15, " I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I(God) have set before you LIFE and death, BLESSING and cursing: therefore CHOOSE LIFE, that both you and your seed may live." Deuteronomy 30:19, "Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the LIFE: no man comes unto the Father , BUT BY ME." John 14:6

 

[Mem]

I guess you did not know?

TULIP Calvinists are convinced that God must drag people to the altar to get them saved.
To them, that is what the drawing of God means.
Like dragging captured fish in a net.


I said what I said... in part, with them in mind.

I can understand your language. God wills that His bride be a willing wife to Him, and He doesn't accept any posers.

 

[Cameron143]

If I told you that I put 10,000,000 dollars into your bank account and you didn't believe me and never went to the bank, would you be a millionaire? No, because of your unbelief, you didn't receive what was freely given to you. You have to believe in Jesus , who made the payment for your sins, to receive salvation. So it is unbelief that causes people to go to hell, not God, He gave us the ability to choose. "... choose you this day whom you will serve..." Joshua 24:15, " I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I(God) have set before you LIFE and death, BLESSING and cursing: therefore CHOOSE LIFE, that both you and your seed may live." Deuteronomy 30:19, "Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the LIFE: no man comes unto the Father , BUT BY ME." John 14:6

Is unbelief a sin?

 

[Mem]

Is unbelief a sin?

Since faith is not a work, unbelief is a choice.

 

[Genez]

I can understand your language. God wills that His bride be a willing wife to Him, and He doesn't accept any posers.

In finding a wife?
It is a primitive cave man who drags some woman by her hair to his cave.

God does not drag us.
He draws us... Jeremiah 31:3, says so!

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The Lord appeared to us in the past, saying:​

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“I have loved you with an everlasting love;
I have drawn you with unfailing kindness.​

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grace and peace!​

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[Cameron143]

Since faith is not a work, unbelief is a choice.

So is adultery. But that doesn't answer my question. Is unbelief a sin?

 

[Mem]

In finding a wife?
It is a primitive cave man who drags some woman by her hair to his cave.

God does not drag us.
He draws us... Jeremiah 31:3, says so!

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The Lord appeared to us in the past, saying:​

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“I have loved you with an everlasting love;​

I have drawn you with unfailing kindness.​

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grace and peace!​

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God certainly too it to heart that Israel wasn't willing.

 

[Mem]

So is adultery. But that doesn't answer my question. Is unbelief a sin?

Unbelief leads to adultery.

 

[Genez]

Since faith is not a work, unbelief is a choice.

Faith is the offspring of a righteous work.
It is the only work God accepts!

Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

Jesus answered,

“The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

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John 6:28-29
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