The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[Cameron143]

Do you believe osas,
Did God give us free will? Does God force us to be saved? Can we choose to rebel if we want to?

No person or being not even the devil can pull us from God's arms but sin seperates.

Isa 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

Does God force us not to sin..??

I do believe that when God saves an individual that He also preserves them...Philippians 1:6.

I don't believe free will exists. We either walk in the flesh or in the Spirit. Either way, the choices we make are being influenced by the divine nature or our sin nature.

You obviously don't understand what it means to be in Christ. Our sins are paid for and forgiven. They cannot judicially separate us from God. While we can lose fellowship and blessings due to sin, we cannot be separated from God.

And while God doesn't directly keep us from sinning as a rule, the fact that He is willing and doing of His good pleasure in us and conforming us to the image of Christ means He is in fact responsible for us sinning less and less as we grow in grace.

 

[Cameron143]

Yes God will perform his work in us if we endure. It makes no sense to warn us to endure, as scripture does, if it's all God's doing.

We are given both exhortations and warnings in scripture to help us. This is necessary given our weaknesses. Read Jude 22-23. Some are motivated by fear and others by compassion. God employs both methods.

 

[BillyBob]

And while God doesn't directly keep us from sinning as a rule, the fact that He is willing and doing of His good pleasure in us and conforming us to the image of Christ means He is in fact responsible for us sinning less and less as we grow in grace.

I agree! Just as Peter discovered [while walking on water], perfect faith is unattainable until we are made like Jesus. And just like Paul, we all have a thorn in our flesh to remind us of our weakness. We still need to repent for our failures and believe that we can only be found perfect in Him.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

We are given both exhortations and warnings in scripture to help us. This is necessary given our weaknesses. Read Jude 22-23. Some are motivated by fear and others by compassion. God employs both methods.

Why does he have to motivate us if he's taking care of everything?

 

[Inquisitor]

How the Holy Spirit operates is beyond my comprehension.

 

[pinebeach]

As me a question about Jesus Christ

What were Jesus instructions after He rose from the dead?

What does Jesus say in the book of Revelation?

 

[Cameron143]

Why does he have to motivate us if he's taking care of everything?

It's part of how He takes care of things.

God enters into relationship with believers. Like any relationship, there is give and take. God is teaching us His ways so they become our ways.

 

[Beckworth]

You misunderstand what a covenant is. Yes, God gave the Sinai covenant to Israel, but the commandments inside it were never meant for Israel alone. They were given through Israel so all nations could learn God’s ways. God said this from the beginning. When Solomon prayed at the temple, he asked God to hear the prayers of the foreigner who came to seek Him so that all peoples of the earth may know His name (1 Kings 8:41 to 43). Isaiah said the same thing when he spoke of God’s house as a house of prayer for all nations (Isaiah 56:6 to 7). Jesus Himself repeated this verse when He cleansed the temple, showing it still applied.
Jesus also said that His word will judge all people, not only Israel (John 12:48). And He told the apostles to teach all nations to obey everything He commanded (Matthew 28:19 to 20). This shows that His commandments apply to everyone, both Jews and Gentiles.
As for the Sabbath, Jesus called Himself Lord of the Sabbath (Matthew 12:8). This only makes sense if the Sabbath belongs to all mankind, not just one nation. Jesus did not need to repeat the Sabbath command in a list, just as He did not repeat all the other commandments in a list. He spoke about God’s commands when the moment required it, and when He spoke about the Sabbath, He showed how to keep it with mercy, not how to cancel it. On the contrary, He affirmed it and openly declared Himself the Lord of the Sabbath. All the disciples kept it because they were Jewish and because this commandment was already known, practiced, and understood. Nothing Jesus ever said hinted that God erased a command He wrote with His own finger.
In short, the covenant was given through Israel, but its righteousness was meant for the whole world. Jesus did not lessen God’s commandments. He confirmed them and told all nations to keep His words.

So where is the SCRIPTURE that says the 10 commandments were for ALL NATIONS but the covenant was only for the Jews? Or where is the scripture that says the covenant was fir the whole world? How do you know that, if GOd did not say so? And He didn’t.
Now you have confused me—- because aren’t you the author of this post? I thought you were arguing in this post, that the 10 commandments are part of the COVENANT? And now you want to SEPARATE them and make them separate from the covenant???

You were right the first time:?the 10 commentments ARE part of the old covenant that God made with the Jews at Mount Sinai. AND they were never any more for other nations,than any other part of the old covenant. They stand or fall together because God never made a separation of them. The only gentiles who were responsible to the 10 commandments were those gentiles who became proselyte Jews. In Deut. 5 Moses says that God made “a COVENANT WITH US (Jews) in Horeb. Then just one verse down from there, Moses starts listing the 10 commandments. That shows that he considers those commandments as part of that old covenant that God made with them in Horeb. . Where did God ever make a distinction saying the 10 commandments were for all nations but the covenant was just for the Jews? Or even that the covenant was for all people? Scripture??

I gave scripture, Deut. 5:2-3, proving that God gave the covenant, including the 10 commandments, to the Jews. Now you give ME the scripture proving that He gave the 10 commandments to Jews AND GENTILES.

Giving Solomons prayer as proof is not proof of anything except that any foreigner WHO SEEKS GOD, will be heard by God. That’s a gentile proselye who accepts the Jewish religion. That’s not proof that the 10 commandments were for all gentiles! How do you get that from that prayer??? It’s not there!

Yes, God will accept all nations if they accept Him and become His children, but that does not prove that they all will. Yes, God’s house is a house f prayer for anyone who comes to Him and accepts His will. That does not mean that every one will. Jesus died for all people so that they can be saved—that does not prove that everyone will be saved! And none of that is even talking about the 10 commandments being given to all nations! None of that is proof of what you claim.

John 12:48. Jesus is not talking about the Old Testament here. He is talking about His NEW COVENANT. Jesus’s words and His new law for both Jew and gentile are in the New Covenant—not the old covenant of the Old Testament. That’s what will judge us—not the old covenant. I know this because Colossians 2:14 says that Jesus took that Old covenant away and nailed it to His cross. And then in verse 16 He specifically says that NO ONE WILL JUDGE US REGARDING THAT OLD COVENANT OF FEAST DAYS, RELIGIOUS HOLIDAYS AND SABBATHS! So I know I will not be judged for not keeping the sabbath day holy—Jesus said so. And neither will anyone else. You have misapplied John 12:48. That is NOT what He is talking about. It’s the New Covenant that will judge us —not the old.

Matthew 28:19. All of the commandments of Jesus are in HIS law—the New Testament not the old Law of Moses—the Old Testament. Jesus had not even come to earth, not given one commandment in the Old covenant, the Old Testament. How can He be talking about the Old covenant when He told His disciples to go teach His commandments to all nations! He had no commandments in the Old Testament. All of His commandments are in his New covenant. I’m amazed that you would use that scripture in this way! To teach such a thing us A gross misapplication.

God transfigured Jesus on the mount of transfiguration with Moses and Elijah. What is the lesson from the transfiguration? The lesson God wants us to learn us that Jesus is His Son and is GREATER THAN MOSES ( and Elijah) God said “YOU HEAR HIM!” Not Moses. You have a choice—the law of Moses or the law of Christ. Christ and His law are GREATER THAN Moses and the Old testament. Hebrews 3:2 says that Jesus is worthy of MORE GLORY than Moses. He also says that Moses was a SERVANT in God’s house, but Christ was a SON over HIS OWN HOUSE.

God says HE does not change, He did not say HIS. law does not change. In fact, He did say His law has changed. Hebrews 7:12

 

[pinebeach]

Are you serious?? I have been stating all of the above on this blog from day one.

Jesus died for me and rose from death so I could also rise to eternal life as HIS Bride.

You do realize, for the last 2000 years those called are to be the Bride of Christ at His return?
Why do you think I selected "member of the bride"

and again you never use scripture, you only attack, I still have no clue what you believe

From the 2nd page on, I have been posting scripture. I have not attacked you. You exaggerate, falsely accuse, ignore questions I asked you while demanding I answer you, but you are right. You most definatley are CLUELESS..


Nov. 17, 2025, 2nd page of this op, post #36

pinebeach, post: 5625560, member: 343456"]
Gen. 3
14 The Lord God said to the serpent,

“Because you have done this,
cursed are you above all livestock
and above all beasts of the field;
on your belly you shall go,
and dust you shall eat
all the days of your life.
15 I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and her offspring;
he shall bruise your head,
and you shall bruise his heel.”

This was directed at the serpent and not the 2 humans who had fallen from God's grace. So a person will ask 'now who is this being introduced as the divider between the 'serpent's' offspring and those of the humans.

We see clearly that the enmity will be against a person. Not laws or covenants per se, but a person. A person shall be the line drawn between those who are with him and those who are of the serpent. (The dragon of Revelation)

God, who knows the beginning from the end and all the good stuff inbetween, was directly confronting the serpent with the fatal mistake made in seducing God's female creation, in the belief that what God declared 'good', was now bad. God had a plan that was to be fulfilled in sending His only Son to rectify the broken relationship between God and His human creation. That person God speaks of to the serpent, the form satan took to do his dirty work, in the garden, was that Son.

If there had never been any covenant between God and Israel, it would always have been enough to take Jesus as the Savior of all mankind, including Israel. However, a covenant was made with Israel and commandments were given, laws were given and sacrifices were to be made.

Progressing through scripture we eventually come to see that the final sacrifice is Jesus, the One promised in the garden right after the fall from God's grace. It is Jesus, was always Jesus and will always be Jesus, the final answer to sin and salvation and the ONLY name that holds forgiveness for our sin(s) and the ONLY way to God.

 

[Beckworth]

No one could touch the ark of God

Only the Levis could carry the ark because they were the only ones ordained to be priests.

Num 4:15…after Aaron and his sons have finished covering the sanctuary and all the furnishings of the sanctuary, when the camp is set to go, then the sons of Kohath shall come to carry them; but they shall not touch any holy thing, lest they die.”

Uzzah died touching it and he was a Jew, because he did not follow the instructions of God. The ark represented God’s throne and inside the ark is God’s Testimony Exo31:18 Exo40:20 which is also in heaven Rev15:5 Rev 11:19 because God’s commandments belong to God and God’s people keep them through love and faith Rev 14:12

When you say “No one could touch the ark of God”, are you including gentiles from other nations in that ? Because the story in 1 Samuel of the Philistines capturing the ark. prove that only the Jews were not allowed to touch it, because the command not to touch it or look into it was only to them. The gentile Philistines handled it and looked into it without death. That was the point of the story.

You say only the Jews could carry the ark because they were ordained to be priests. And while part of that is true, the Philistine gentiles took it and carried it from one city to another. They woujd not have known God’s instruction to the priests on how to carry it by “poles” so they would have surely touched it as they carried it from place to place; and as they placed it on a cart; they were not God’s priests so they violated that command also, and then they had to look into it because they placed trespass offerings in it before they returned it to Israel. Yet, God did not strike tgem dead as He did the 5000 Jews who “looked into it “ when it was returned to Israel. Why were the philistines not killed fir touching it, carrying it, and looking into it? Because the law that commanded it not to be touched, carried by common people or looked into was a Jewish law given to the Jewish people—not Gentiles of other nations. The Ark of the COVENANT WAS PART of that covenant God gave the Jews at Horeb. This is evidence that it was As I say— This covenant ( including the 10 commandments) was NOT for everybody; was nNOT for all people’s and all nations, but was for the Jews only.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

When you say “No one could touch the ark of God”, are you including gentiles from other nations in that ? Because the story in 1 Samuel of the Philistines capturing the ark. prove that only the Jews were not allowed to touch it, because the command not to touch it or look into it was only to them. The gentile Philistines handled it and looked into it without death. That was the point of the story.

You say only the Jews could carry the ark because they were ordained to be priests. And while part of that is true, the Philistine gentiles took it and carried it from one city to another. They woujd not have known God’s instruction to the priests on how to carry it by “poles” so they would have surely touched it as they carried it from place to place; and as they placed it on a cart; they were not God’s priests so they violated that command also, and then they had to look into it because they placed trespass offerings in it before they returned it to Israel. Yet, God did not strike tgem dead as He did the 5000 Jews who “looked into it “ when it was returned to Israel. Why were the philistines not killed fir touching it, carrying it, and looking into it? Because the law that commanded it not to be touched, carried by common people or looked into was a Jewish law given to the Jewish people—not Gentiles of other nations. The Ark of the COVENANT WAS PART of that covenant God gave the Jews at Horeb. This is evidence that it was As I say— This covenant ( including the 10 commandments) was NOT for everybody; was nNOT for all people’s and all nations, but was for the Jews only.

It doesn’t say Jews could touch it and Gentiles can’t.

The Bible says:

Men 4:15 But they shall not touch any holy thing, lest they die.

Uzzah touched it and died and he was Jewish. 2 Sam6:7

God struck the men at Beth Shemesh who looked into the ark when they were not supposed to and they were Israelites 1Sam6:19

The ark represented God’s throne and presence. Psa 24:3-4

Jews could not touch it, Gentiles could not touch it. Only designated Levites could carry it with poles, as the Levites were the only ones ordained to be priests, judgement fell on anyone who treated it without respect.

 

[mailmandan]

That was the right thing to say to him because he was under the law.

Notice how the rich young man in Matthew 19 confidently (and self righteously) claimed to have kept the commandments from his youth up yet Jesus knew the rich man's wealth had become his idolatrous god, which kept him from believing in Jesus unto salvation. (John 3:18)

The rich young man failed to place his faith in Jesus for salvation, and continued instead to trust in his riches (vs. 21-23). His face fell and he went away sad because he could not part from his great wealth, not even in exchange for eternal life.

 

[mailmandan]

By faith we are restored to the image of God.
In His infinite love, God is working to restore His divine likeness within the human soul. This was the original purpose of our creation and remains the grand object of the plan of salvation.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:...
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

But sin came alone and destroyed God image in us.

Jesus came to this world as the "express image" of the Father to show us how to live and to provide the power necessary for our transformation.

I feel like you have a different understanding to me, of what it means to be restored in the image of God.

You are focusing on the gift of justication and the provision made for the past sins. But God also wants to free us from the slavery of sin.

2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Beholding Jesus we are changed into the same image.. Jesus kept the sabbath Holy. Beholding Him we should keep it holy too.

Col 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: 11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Phi 2:12.....work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

We will be changed physically ...
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption...

And the restoration will be completed when we are given new bodies.

But do you think the restoration of our characters is an instant thing, do you think God will force us to think differently and change our characters. ??

I believe sanctification is a big Part of the restoration.

And sanctification is by faith.

We have been saved from the PENALTY of sin (justification)

We are being saved from the POWER of sin (ongoing sanctification)

We will be saved from the PRESENCE of sin (glorification)

 

[Inquisitor]

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days


So are those Sabbath yearly sabbaths or weekly sabbaths?

I asked AI that question using scripture only. Let scripture explain scripture.

Scripture only

Colossians 2:16

“Therefore let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a feast or a new moon or sabbaths.” (Col 2:16)​

1) “sabbaton” rendered as “sabbath day(s)” in the NT
The same Greek term σάββατον (sabbaton) is regularly translated “sabbath” / “sabbath day(s)” in the NT:

“Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.” (Matt 12:8)
“And he entered the synagogue on the sabbath.” (Luke 4:16)
“On the sabbath he went into the synagogue and taught.” (Mark 1:21)
“On the first day of the week…” (μία τῶν σαββάτων) (Matt 28:1)​

Thus, in NT usage, sabbaton denotes the sabbath day(s).
2) The feast–new moon–sabbaths pattern
The exact triad feasts, new moons, sabbaths appears in the OT as a fixed formula:

“And to offer all burnt sacrifices to the LORD on the sabbaths, on the new moons, and on the appointed feasts.” (1 Chr 23:31)​

“Beside the burnt offerings of the sabbaths, and the new moons, and the appointed feasts.” (2 Chr 2:4)​

“From new moon to new moon, and from sabbath to sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me.” (Isa 66:23)​

“I will put an end to all her mirth, her feasts, her new moons, her sabbaths.” (Hos 2:11)​

This triad consistently reflects:

• Feasts → annual
• New moons → monthly
• Sabbaths → weekly

3) Colossians 2 confirms the same framework
Immediately following Colossians 2:16:

“Which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ.” (Col 2:17)​

This corresponds to the OT system described as “statutes… a shadow”:

“These are the statutes… besides the LORD’s sabbaths, and besides your gifts.” (Lev 23:37–38)​

Conclusion (from Scripture)

• σάββατον (sabbaton) in Colossians 2:16 is the same term elsewhere translated “sabbath day(s)” in the NT.
• The phrase “feasts, new moons, sabbaths” follows the established OT yearly–monthly–weekly pattern.
• Paul identifies these as “a shadow of things to come” (Col 2:17), consistent with OT usage.

Therefore, from Scripture alone, “sabbaton” in Colossians 2:16 is properly rendered “sabbath day(s),” fitting the OT triadic pattern.

 

[NightTwister]

I am only interested in scripture,, not your words, not your thoughts

If that's true, why are you here? You could simply sit at home by yourself reading the Bible.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days


So are those Sabbath yearly sabbaths or weekly sabbaths?

I asked AI that question using scripture only. Let scripture explain scripture.

Scripture only

Colossians 2:16

“Therefore let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a feast or a new moon or sabbaths.” (Col 2:16)​

1) “sabbaton” rendered as “sabbath day(s)” in the NT
The same Greek term σάββατον (sabbaton) is regularly translated “sabbath” / “sabbath day(s)” in the NT:

“Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.” (Matt 12:8)​

“And he entered the synagogue on the sabbath.” (Luke 4:16)​

“On the sabbath he went into the synagogue and taught.” (Mark 1:21)​

“On the first day of the week…” (μία τῶν σαββάτων) (Matt 28:1)​

Thus, in NT usage, sabbaton denotes the sabbath day(s).
2) The feast–new moon–sabbaths pattern
The exact triad feasts, new moons, sabbaths appears in the OT as a fixed formula:

“And to offer all burnt sacrifices to the LORD on the sabbaths, on the new moons, and on the appointed feasts.” (1 Chr 23:31)​

“Beside the burnt offerings of the sabbaths, and the new moons, and the appointed feasts.” (2 Chr 2:4)​

“From new moon to new moon, and from sabbath to sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me.” (Isa 66:23)​

“I will put an end to all her mirth, her feasts, her new moons, her sabbaths.” (Hos 2:11)​

This triad consistently reflects:

• Feasts → annual
• New moons → monthly
• Sabbaths → weekly

3) Colossians 2 confirms the same framework
Immediately following Colossians 2:16:

“Which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ.” (Col 2:17)​

This corresponds to the OT system described as “statutes… a shadow”:

“These are the statutes… besides the LORD’s sabbaths, and besides your gifts.” (Lev 23:37–38)​

Conclusion (from Scripture)

• σάββατον (sabbaton) in Colossians 2:16 is the same term elsewhere translated “sabbath day(s)” in the NT.
• The phrase “feasts, new moons, sabbaths” follows the established OT yearly–monthly–weekly pattern.
• Paul identifies these as “a shadow of things to come” (Col 2:17), consistent with OT usage.

Therefore, from Scripture alone, “sabbaton” in Colossians 2:16 is properly rendered “sabbath day(s),” fitting the OT triadic pattern.

I asked AI this question as well using Bible only and it came up with the same as my study on this for years



Colossians 2:16–17 (NKJV)

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,​

17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.​

Key Questions:

1. What kind of “sabbaths” is Paul talking about?

Let’s break the phrase down:

“festival, new moon, or sabbaths”​

This phrase appears in many places in the Old Testament, often in this same order, and always refers to ceremonial observances:

• 1 Chronicles 23:31
• 2 Chronicles 2:4
• 2 Chronicles 31:3
• Nehemiah 10:33
• Ezekiel 45:17
• Hosea 2:11

These texts link festivals, new moons, and sabbaths as ceremonial observances — part of the Mosaic (Levitical) system, not the weekly seventh-day Sabbath of the Ten Commandments.


That’s why Paul says in Col. 2:17:

"which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ."​

In other words, these ceremonial laws pointed forward to Christ and found their fulfillment in Him.



2. Is the weekly Sabbath also a shadow?

There’s a strong distinction between:



Type of Law Description Shadow of Christ? Abolished in Christ? Moral Law (10 Commandments)Eternal moral principles (Ex. 20) No No Ceremonial Law Feasts, sacrifices, rituals, sabbaths tied to festivals (Lev. 23) Yes Yes

• The weekly Sabbathwas:
  • Given at Creation (Genesis 2:2–3)
  • Reinforced in the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:8–11)
  • Not instituted as a shadow, but as a memorial of creation
• The ceremonial sabbaths(e.g., Day of Atonement, Feast of Trumpets) are:
  • Called sabbaths too (see Leviticus 23)
  • Fall on various days, not necessarily the seventh day
  • Shadows pointing to Jesus' work

Therefore, when Paul talks about “sabbaths which are a shadow”, he refers to these ceremonial sabbaths, not the weekly Sabbath of the Fourth Commandment.



3. Did Jesus or the Apostles abolish the weekly Sabbath?

• Jesus kept the Sabbath (Luke 4:16)
• The disciples kept the Sabbath after Jesus' death (Acts 13:42, 16:13, 17:2, 18:4)
• Hebrews 4:9 says:
  
  "There remains therefore a Sabbath rest [Greek: sabbatismos] for the people of God."​

Conclusion:

Colossians 2:16 does not cancel the weekly Sabbath commandment.
It refers to ceremonial sabbaths, along with food and drink offerings, and religious festivals that were shadows pointing to Christ.


The Fourth Commandment Sabbath is not a shadow, but a memorial of creation and a sign of God’s sanctifying work (Exodus 31:13, Ezekiel 20:12).
2. But Which Commandment Does God Emphasize Most in the Bible?

The Fourth Commandment (Sabbath) is the only one God:

• Calls "My holy day" (Isaiah 58:13)
• Links to Creation (Genesis 2:1–3; Exodus 20:11)
• Uses to test Israel's obedience before Sinai (Exodus 16)
• Commands to remember as a sign between Him and His people (Ezekiel 20:12, 20)
• Institutes as a covenantal sign (Exodus 31:13–17)

The Fourth Commandment is the most directly spoken about by God throughout the Bible. It is personally claimed by Him, reaffirmed repeatedly, and tied to His identity as both Creator and Sanctifier.

 

[memberofthebride]

If that's true, why are you here? You could simply sit at home by yourself reading the Bible.

I believe we are very very close to the Return of Jesus Christ.
and I am very aware of prophecy and I see things taking place pointing to huge problems occurring now, are you aware Silver in now $90.00 and if you wanted to buy, the premium is another $13 to $14 dollars. this is showing our financial system is in deep trouble.

Christ was put to death in 31 AD -- 2031 is 2000 years ago, two 1000 year days "the last days?
as you know I am not part of MS "christianity" .
I wanted to understand the mind-set of main stream.

I believe as in the day Christ walk the earth as a human and was murdered by MS religion that will occur once more.

John 16

1 These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.

2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

Who but a "christian" would think he is doing God service?

3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.

4 But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you.

Matthew 25 clearly states the condition of believers at the beginning of Christ return will be sound asleep and I believe for the entire world will be as well.

In Matthew 24, Christ tells us the world will be eating and drinking until that One day and One hour brings sudden destruction. and I see this as the Fourth Seal and World War Three., Two billion will die.

world war three is the topic on many of the site I watch.

I am not trying to cause problems, I know I can't change minds, I wanted to get answers, I have what I came for.

time is very short.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

I asked AI this question as well using Bible only and it came up with the same as my study on this for years



Colossians 2:16–17 (NKJV)

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,​

17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.​

Key Questions:

1. What kind of “sabbaths” is Paul talking about?

Let’s break the phrase down:

“festival, new moon, or sabbaths”​

This phrase appears in many places in the Old Testament, often in this same order, and always refers to ceremonial observances:

• 1 Chronicles 23:31
• 2 Chronicles 2:4
• 2 Chronicles 31:3
• Nehemiah 10:33
• Ezekiel 45:17
• Hosea 2:11

These texts link festivals, new moons, and sabbaths as ceremonial observances — part of the Mosaic (Levitical) system, not the weekly seventh-day Sabbath of the Ten Commandments.


That’s why Paul says in Col. 2:17:

"which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ."​

In other words, these ceremonial laws pointed forward to Christ and found their fulfillment in Him.



2. Is the weekly Sabbath also a shadow?

There’s a strong distinction between:



Type of Law Description Shadow of Christ? Abolished in Christ? Moral Law (10 Commandments)Eternal moral principles (Ex. 20) No No Ceremonial Law Feasts, sacrifices, rituals, sabbaths tied to festivals (Lev. 23) Yes Yes

• The weekly Sabbathwas:
  • Given at Creation (Genesis 2:2–3)
  • Reinforced in the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:8–11)
  • Not instituted as a shadow, but as a memorial of creation
• The ceremonial sabbaths(e.g., Day of Atonement, Feast of Trumpets) are:
  • Called sabbaths too (see Leviticus 23)
  • Fall on various days, not necessarily the seventh day
  • Shadows pointing to Jesus' work

Therefore, when Paul talks about “sabbaths which are a shadow”, he refers to these ceremonial sabbaths, not the weekly Sabbath of the Fourth Commandment.



3. Did Jesus or the Apostles abolish the weekly Sabbath?

• Jesus kept the Sabbath (Luke 4:16)
• The disciples kept the Sabbath after Jesus' death (Acts 13:42, 16:13, 17:2, 18:4)
• Hebrews 4:9 says:
  
  "There remains therefore a Sabbath rest [Greek: sabbatismos] for the people of God."​

Conclusion:

Colossians 2:16 does not cancel the weekly Sabbath commandment.
It refers to ceremonial sabbaths, along with food and drink offerings, and religious festivals that were shadows pointing to Christ.


The Fourth Commandment Sabbath is not a shadow, but a memorial of creation and a sign of God’s sanctifying work (Exodus 31:13, Ezekiel 20:12).
2. But Which Commandment Does God Emphasize Most in the Bible?

The Fourth Commandment (Sabbath) is the only one God:

• Calls "My holy day" (Isaiah 58:13)
• Links to Creation (Genesis 2:1–3; Exodus 20:11)
• Uses to test Israel's obedience before Sinai (Exodus 16)
• Commands to remember as a sign between Him and His people (Ezekiel 20:12, 20)
• Institutes as a covenantal sign (Exodus 31:13–17)

The Fourth Commandment is the most directly spoken about by God throughout the Bible. It is personally claimed by Him, reaffirmed repeatedly, and tied to His identity as both Creator and Sanctifier.

Jesus addressed this debate, in His own words, if the Sabbath ended at the Cross: Isa56:6-7, Mat24:20-30 Isa66:22-23 Paul is obviously not contradicting Christ in words or in action Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4 because what were shadow laws were animal sacrifices always pointing to Jesus Heb10:1-10 which would include the annual feast days that some were also called sabbath(s) that had to do with animal sacrifices, not the Holy Day of the Lord thy God Isa58:13 that points to God our Creator Exo20:11 and Sanctifier Eze20:12 which will never be a shadow

 

[NightTwister]

I believe we are very very close to the Return of Jesus Christ.
and I am very aware of prophecy and I see things taking place pointing to huge problems occurring now, are you aware Silver in now $90.00 and if you wanted to buy, the premium is another $13 to $14 dollars. this is showing our financial system is in deep trouble.

Christ was put to death in 31 AD -- 2031 is 2000 years ago, two 1000 year days "the last days?
as you know I am not part of MS "christianity" .
I wanted to understand the mind-set of main stream.

I believe as in the day Christ walk the earth as a human and was murdered by MS religion that will occur once more.

John 16

1 These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.

2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

Who but a "christian" would think he is doing God service?

3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.

4 But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you.

Matthew 25 clearly states the condition of believers at the beginning of Christ return will be sound asleep and I believe for the entire world will be as well.

In Matthew 24, Christ tells us the world will be eating and drinking until that One day and One hour brings sudden destruction. and I see this as the Fourth Seal and World War Three., Two billion will die.

world war three is the topic on many of the site I watch.

I am not trying to cause problems, I know I can't change minds, I wanted to get answers, I have what I came for.

time is very short.

The imminent return of Jesus Christ has been predicted for the entire over 60 years of my life. I'm sure it will continue to be predicted for meant more years to come.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Notice how the rich young man in Matthew 19 confidently (and self righteously) claimed to have kept the commandments from his youth up yet Jesus knew the rich man's wealth had become his idolatrous god, which kept him from believing in Jesus unto salvation. (John 3:18)

The rich young man failed to place his faith in Jesus for salvation, and continued instead to trust in his riches (vs. 21-23). His face fell and he went away sad because he could not part from his great wealth, not even in exchange for eternal life.

Yes, Jesus knew he wasn't keeping the commandments. Maybe the ones towards man, not the ones towards loving God.

yet Jesus knew the rich man's wealth had become his idolatrous god,

Exo 20:3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.

His money became his god breaking the first commandment.