The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

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The spirit and scripture tell us what sin is. The 10 commandments don't tell us that partiality is sin, but scripture and the spirit do

Jesus and the Scriptures do show that partiality is sin, and the Ten Commandments already teach this because they are built on love. When Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for showing favoritism and honoring people based on status, He showed that this spirit breaks God’s law of love. He said to judge with “righteous judgment” and not by appearance (John 7:24 ASV). When He spoke against giving the best places to the rich and powerful while neglecting the poor and weak, He showed that this is against the heart of God.

The Old Testament also says clearly that God Himself shows no partiality, and His people must reflect His character. Moses said, “You shall not show partiality in judgment” (Deuteronomy 1:17 ASV). Again it says, “For the Lord your God… regardeth not persons” (Deuteronomy 10:17 ASV). This means that any heart that shows favoritism is out of line with the God who gave the commandments.

The Ten Commandments rest on the command to love God with all the heart and to love one’s neighbor as oneself. If you love your neighbor, you will not treat one person as more valuable than another. Partiality breaks the spirit of these commandments. Jesus taught that “all things therefore whatsoever ye would that men should do unto you, even so do ye also unto them” (Matthew 7:12 ASV). This alone removes all partiality.

James, later explains the same truth. He says showing favoritism to the rich and despising the poor is sin and breaks God’s royal law of love (James 2:1–9 ASV). He is not adding a new law. He is teaching the heart of the law God already gave.

So yes, Scripture shows in many places that partiality is sin, and this truth grows directly from the Ten Commandments, because they teach us how to love God and how to love each other without favoritism.
 
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So yes, Scripture shows in many places that partiality is sin, and this truth grows directly from the Ten Commandments, because they teach us how to love God and how to love each other without favoritism.

Yes, scripture and the spirit do, but the 10 don't
 
You are given the Holy Spirit when you believe in Jesus Christ.

True, we are given the Holy Spirit when we believe. However, even before we have the Holy Spirit He plays an indispensable role BEFORE we are saved in convicting us of sin, and in DRAWING us to Christ. The word "draw" is from the Greek word helkysē (ἑλκύσῃ) which has one of two senses depending on the force that is attributed to the influence. If a lot of force is meant the word will be translated DRAG as when a person is forcibly apprehended and dragged away against his will. However, the same word can be understood in a milder sense if it refers to an INFLUENCE whether inside or outside the individual, in which it could be translated GUIDED, LED or IMPELLED.

The Greek Lexicon says this: The verb translated “to draw” or “to drag” appears eight times: John 6:44; John 12:32; John 18:10; John 21:6; John 21:11; Acts 16:19; Acts 21:30; James 2:6. Its range stretches from the violent seizing of people, to the hauling of fish, to the gracious attraction of sinners to Christ. Inanimate objects such as a boats must be dragged on shore because they are without a will. By contrast, even unintelligent creatures like sheep have a mind and will and because of this it would be abusive to chain them up and DRAG them from place to place. Once the Shepherd establishes a trusting relationship with a sheep it will follow of its own accord. It is just as dehumanizing for a human to be given a drug that makes them unable to freely choose NOT to love the one who had drugged them with a love potion. This view, was agreeable to determinists who, like Augustine, used the parable about "compelling to poor to come to the feast" as a pretext to force people to convert.
 
Only some of it though. Not all of it which is how you end up with unreasonable expectations of law keeping and self righteousness.

Salvation is through Jesus only. Your works + Obedience + and then Jesus ? is condemnation because no one can keep the law


Pine I was purchased by the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ, I am now owned by Christ and as His bond servant my duty is to obey my Master, He has told me through His Word to keep the Commandments and the Torah, which I try to do.

there is no reward for obeying ones master it is a servants DUTY, if I don't obey there are punishments. If I were to tell Christ, I will never obey, I will be rejected.

that is the truth the Many refuse to see.
 
night I will tell you -- it is the Church that was established on Pentecost at 9 AM 31 AD
Sorry Christ came to complete the Torah, it was only Physical, Christ raised it to spiritual, now its both.

#4731 pléroó: To fill, to make full, to complete, to fulfill

Jesus Christ does not lie, does not say half truths and is only confusing to the Many.


I truly do not understand why the fact the word translated "fufill" can also mean to complete and to make full which is what I said took place, why is that boring?? because it is counter to the Many's beliefs??
 
Pinebeach

I see this over and over on this blog,, the man quoted Isaiah 8:20 which is either God's TRUTH or it is not. yes it is in the Old Testament, which IS the "Word" Christ used in His ministry

If a person is not speaking in line with Torah or God's prophets there IS NO TRUTH in them == period end of story.

when folks tell us the Commandments are gone and the Torah is gone and we are under Grace which means to the many --- they are not required to DO anything but move their mouths ---- sorry I seek only TRUTH

OK, go, attack

Attack? So a person that points out the errors in your belief is attacking you? That's nonsense. The commandments are not gone and who said that? I know I did not say that. Another false accusation?

Jesus rose from the dead. What did He have to say then? Did He say keep the law? What does Jesus say in the book of Revelation or do you ignore that book also?
 
Pine I was purchased by the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ, I am now owned by Christ and as His bond servant my duty is to obey my Master, He has told me through His Word to keep the Commandments and the Torah, which I try to do.

there is no reward for obeying ones master it is a servants DUTY, if I don't obey there are punishments. If I were to tell Christ, I will never obey, I will be rejected.

that is the truth the Many refuse to see.

Jesus calls us His brothers and sisters. God calls us His children. We are servants only and in fact, we are also addressed as saints.

Jesus rose from the dead. He said to make disciples, not servants. Jesus already obeyed the law to perfection which you can never do nor can anyone else do. It is all in the Bible. For some reason, you choose to ignore it and call yourself a servant and sometimes a disobedient serfant that God is going to punish.

How does God punish you? Sounds like you have a very fearful salvation. Instead of rejoicing in Christ, you are afraid. How about the joy of the Lord?
 
I truly do not understand why the fact the word translated "fufill" can also mean to complete and to make full which is what I said took place, why is that boring?? because it is counter to the Many's beliefs??
On the one hand He came to make it full, and ratify it by his blood, but on the other hand He came to nullify the rest of it. Can you not see why this logic is so difficult to follow?
 
There was no law until Moses. Obedience was faith in God's revealed will

For until law, sin was in the world; but sin was not charged, there not being law. Romans 5:13
If you understand what Paul is saying

Sin is not known without a law.. Paul did not know coveting until he understood the law. But the law was always there..

When was it acceptable with God to transgress any of the 10 commandments.

Sin was there because the law was, but people were not charged when they were ignorant to the law.

How many of the 10 commandments are you ignorant of?

These laws have always been a sin to transgress...

When in time was murder it not a sin ?

When was lying not a sin?

When was the sabbath not sanctified as Holy?

When was taking the Lord's name in vain not a sin?

Cain did not have the 10 commandments but God held him guilty of murder.
Joseph knew it was a sin to commit adultery.
 
Sin is not known without a law

Sure it is. The holy spirit convicts the heart of what sin is. I knew in my heart things were evil before I knew what the law was. So the holy spirit is the law

Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not into me; John 16:7-9
 
when folks tell us the Commandments are gone and the Torah is gone and we are under Grace which means to the many --- they are not required to DO anything but move their mouths ---- sorry I seek only TRUTH

OK, go, attack
When you misrepresent what others say, and they call you on it, that’s not an attack.
 
So the one commandment that God said Remember, we can forget, so basically the opposite of what God said. Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man, not Jews. When man was made Gen1:26 there was just man and God, no Jews, right before the first Sabbath Exo20:11 Gen2:1-3 man was made in the image and likeness of God to follow Him, not do something different. The Sabbath is for everyone who wants to join themselves to Him and serve Him Isa56:6

Acts 20:1 is a one time meeting, and tells us why, they came together Saturday evening after sunset to have a meal because Paul was leaving in the morning for a long mission trip, it says nothing about it changing one of God's commandments 1 Cor 16:1-2 is about a one time offering that Paul would come by to get to help the needy, nothing about changing the Sabbath. Rev 1:10 does not say anything that the Lords Day is day one, one would have to add that in the Text, what we are warned about and than take away what God said, something else we were warned about.

In the council for Gentiles keeping every Sabbath was still part of it, in every city for many generations

Acts 15:21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

God could not have been so clear on what is the Lords day, the only day in the entire Bible God blessed and sanctified and called it the Holy day of the Lord 58:13 meaning there is no other, just sadly a counterfeit as we were warned Dan7:25


the seventh day is Sabbath of the LORD your God”
Exodus 20:10

The Son of Man is Lord also of the Sabbath.” (not the first day)
Mark 2:28

Isa 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,


“Remember the Sabbath…and keep it holy” is the only one of the 10 commandments that is NOT taught in the New Testament. Was it still practiced by the Jews? Yes, of course; but not by Christian’s. Acts 15:31 that you quoted is a fact. The Jews in the New Testament who followed Moses and worshipped in synagogues were the very ones who rejected the Messiah and persecuted “Christian’s.” That whole council meeting in Acts 15 was because certain Jewish Christian’s were still trying to “BIND”” part of the Old covenant on the gentile Christian’s—namely circumcision which was part of the old Jewish law but NOT part of the New Law of Faith of Jesus Christ. The result of that meeting was that Christian’s did NOT need to keep the Old Testament law of “circumcision.” That was a CHANGE OF LAW. Just as Hebrews 7:12 says: “For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also A CHANGE OF THE LAW.”

In Hebrews 7:18, he says that God has “ANNULLED” the former commandments—meaning God has declared them INVALID. They no longer apply to anyone. They never did apply to gentiles and they no longer apply to Jews as well, even though they still try to keep them.

Hebrews 10:9, he says that God took away the FIRST covenant, the Old Testament) so that He could establish the SECOND (covenant, the New Testament).

Romans 7:1-6 makes an argument based on the law of marriage—which they understood . A woman cannot be married to two men at tge same time. But if her husband dies, she can be married to another man. He said this to illustrate the fact that the old Trstament covenant that God made with the Jews is “dead” ( annulled) so that God’s people can be married to CHRIST and his New covenant.

Romans 7:4- “ THEREFORE ( because of this fact) MY BRETHREN ( Christians), YOU ALSO HAVE BECOME DEAD TO THE LAW ( of Moses); Old Testament covenant), through the body of Christ that you may be MARRIED TO ANOTHER ( law)—to Him that was raised from the dead.
The point is, you cannot keep the Old covenant and the New covenant at the same time. Roman’s 7 says that is “spiritual” adultery. Just like a woman having two husbands at the same time is physical adultery. You can only be married to one law at the time. Either the Old covenant given by Moses or the New covenant of Jesus Christ.

Romans 7:6-“ But NOW WE HAVE BEEN DELIVERED FROM THE LAW( old covenant), HAVING DIED TO WHAT WE WERE HELD BY, SO THAT WE SHOUID SERVE IN THE NEWNESS OF THE SPIRIT AND NOT IN THE OLDNESS OF THE LETTER.”

You gave no scripture that prooves Acts 20:7 and 1 Cor, 16;1-2 were only one time events. Is that just your opinion? Is there a verse somewhere that proves that? That is the same as saying that when God told the Jews to keep the 7 day holy, He meant just one 7 day. He didn’t say EVERY 7th day did He? And yet not one time in all the Bible does it
record any Jew asking God —which 7th day? That’s because they understood that every week has. a 7th day just like every week has. A 1 st day. And every time a 7th day came around they understood they were to keep it holy. Likewise, every time a 1 st day comes around, we come together to worship, taking the lord’s supper and giving into the church treasury just like Paul said he told ALL of the churches to do. Does your church take up a collection every Sunday? Why do they do that? You are practicing something you say is not necessary. “Just a one time event”. Then no one has to give money into the collection plate. Why do y’all teach it is necessary to tithe every week if you say 1Cor. 16:1-2 was only for 1 time. That sounds hypocritical and greedy. To me. You are looking for a loophole; and you may think it sounds good, but I would not want to risk my soul’s eternity on assuming it was a one time event and God meant every 7th day for the Jews but does not mean every first day for Christians. Foolish!

Denominations don’t want to take the Lord’s supper on the 1st day of the week as the early Christians did in Actsv20:7, but they don’t miss a Sunday demanding that their members give their “tithe” every week. Even to sending them a notice or a bill for the @tithe.” (Which by the way is no longer binding on anyone, since God has “ANNULLED” that old commandment. Tithing is OBSOLETE; Hebrews 8:13); has been ANNULLED Hebrews 7:18. If you are a Christian following Christ—not Moses—then you are to give as you have been prospered according to 1 Cor. 16:2. Now you can’t be “married” to Moses and Christ at the same time. How are you going to give as you have been prospered, if you must always give a tenth? Suppose you haven’t prospered enough to give a tenth? Which law are you going to obey? God has changed the law—and he has te power and the right to do that because He is God. Are you going to impeach His right? Or impeach His power.? It’s HIS law. He can change it if He wants to. And He has.
Colossians 2:14-“HAVING WIPED OUT THE HANDWRITING OF REQUIREMENTS ( 10 commandments and old covenant) …and HAS TAKEN IT OUT IF THE WAY, HAVING NAILED IT TO THE CROSS.” What’s he talking about here? Verse 16 tells us what he is talking about:

Verse 16-“SO LET NO ONE JUDGE YOU…
IN FOOD OR DRINK-the old dietary laws under the Old Testament about unclean meats and wine restrictions.

OR REGARDING A FESTIVAL OR A NEW MOON
religious feast days under the Old Jewish law.

OR SABBATHS!!! We can’t be JUDGED for not keeping Sabvath days because they have been TAKEN AWAY AND NAILED TO THE CROSS OF CHRIST! Verse 14.

How much plainer does God need to be? He has already told us they have been ANNULLED, (Hebrews7:18), are OBSOLETE ( Hebrews 8:13) and now He says they have been TAKEN AWAY!

I have given you SCRIPTURE for every thing I believe. If you want to argue against these scriptures, please give scripture that prove these things are not true. Then we will have a different dilemma— discussing contradictions in the Bible .
 
On the one hand He came to make it full, and ratify it by his blood, but on the other hand He came to nullify the rest of it. Can you not see why this logic is so difficult to follow?

Its what the Scripture says....

He came to put an end to one law- the law of Moses of animal sacrifices

Dan 9:27 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

He came to magnify another law- His and magnify means to make greater, not lesser and He did this by placing His laws in our hearts and minds if one allows Heb8:10 and showed examples of this how thoughts of anger and contempt lead up to breaking the commandment to thou shalt not murder and He doesn't even want us to have the thoughts that lead up to breaking this commandment or any of His commandments Mat5:19-30

Isa 42:2121 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

Jesus fulfilled both of these prophecies about His laws. Put an end to animal sacrifices Heb10:1-10 and magnified His laws Heb8:10 Mat5:19-30
 
On the one hand He came to make it full, and ratify it by his blood, but on the other hand He came to nullify the rest of it. Can you not see why this logic is so difficult to follow?


mem

Because there is nothing in the WORD, nothing Christ ever said that confirms the Torah, that existed before creation, would or could be abolished.

I have studied the Torah for decades, which has provisions for everything -- i have never found a single scripture explaining how or why the Torah could or would be abolished.

i will believe if you will show me the legal means of doing so. nailing to a piece of wood is nothing.

i will also keep asking this simple question, why is the Torah so hated" if the entire world would just keep the last 6 Commandments there would be peace and safety worldwide!

Can you at least answer my last question? why is peace and safety not desirable??

I know the answer -- the human nature we all inherited from Adam, makes it impossible for us to obey.
 
Verse 16-“SO LET NO ONE JUDGE YOU…
IN FOOD OR DRINK-the old dietary laws under the Old Testament about unclean meats and wine restrictions.

OR REGARDING A FESTIVAL OR A NEW MOON
religious feast days under the Old Jewish law.

OR SABBATHS!!! We can’t be JUDGED for not keeping Sabvath days because they have been TAKEN AWAY AND NAILED TO THE CROSS OF CHRIST! Verse 14.

How much plainer does God need to be? He has already told us they have been ANNULLED, (Hebrews7:18), are OBSOLETE ( Hebrews 8:13) and now He says they have been TAKEN AWAY!

I have given you SCRIPTURE for every thing I believe. If you want to argue against these scriptures, please give scripture that prove these things are not true. Then we will have a different dilemma— discussing contradictions in the Bible .

Its all throughout the NT so not sure what you are referring to, kept by Jesus Himself and His apostles.

I know Col2:16 is everyone's go to, but if looking at the context carefully, its obviously not about the seventh day Sabbath. Jesus said in His own words the Sabbath would not end at His cross Mat24:24-30 Isa 66:22-23. So either Paul is being misunderstood as we are warned 2Peter3:16 or he is countermanding God. Paul said he was a servant of God and a servant will never speak over their master, and neither should we.


There is a lot of context Paul gives us in this passage. There is so much more that I could have touched on but was trying to keep it as short as possible.

There are several different Sabbaths in the Bible that uses the same word, but has very different meanings.

There is the seventh day Sabbath- instituted at Creation Exo20:11 Gen2:1-3, came before sin, reaffirmed in the Ten Commandments Exo20:8-11, written by God personally Exo31:18, placed inside God’s ark Exo40:20 God called it “the holy day of the Lord” Isa58:13

There are the annual sabbath(s) feast days that are always tied to animal sacrifices, they don’t always fall on the seventh day can be on any day and came after the fall and were handwritten by Moses, placed besides the ark of God’s covenant came after sin.

  • 1st day of Unleavened Bread
  • 7th day of Unleavened Bread
  • Pentecost
  • Trumpets
  • Day of Atonement
  • 1st day of Tabernacles
  • 8th day of Tabernacles
We see these in Leviticus 23 and these are additional feasts besides the Sabbath of the Lord- the seventh day Sabbath Lev 23:37-38

There is the Day of Atonement Sabbath where fasting is required Lev16:31 Lev 23:27-32
There is the seventh year Sabbath that is every 7th year where the land should rest Lev25:1-7
The Jubilee Sabbath (50th) year Lev 25:8-17


So I think we are being quick to assume by seeing the word Sabbath that has different meanings and assuming it means the Holy Day of the Lord that comes with God's blessing and sanctification , without looking at the context that Paul carefully gave and we should let the Bible interpret itself.

Col 2:14 KJV Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross.

Greek word for handwriting: χειρόγραφον (cheirographon)
Literally: “something written by hand

Ordinances
τοῖς δόγμασιν (tois dogmasin)
Meaning: “decrees,” “regulations,” “legal demands”

It is a legal document that condemns sinners why Paul used the word “against us” and “contrary to us”. The law does not condemn the righteous, it condemns the sinners.

Just from this context that Paul gave we can eliminate the Ten Commandments, but lets let Scripture interpret Scripture.

Who wrote the handwritten ordinances?

2 Chron 33:8 and I will not again remove the foot of Israel from the land which I have appointed for your fathers—only if they are careful to do all that I have commanded them, according to the whole law and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.

What law is the law that was contrary and against?

Deut 31:24-26 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;


It appears from the text that this is not referring to the Sabbath in the Ten Commandments that was written by God Himself by His finger Exo31:18 placed inside the ark of the covenant, not besides like the annual sabbath(s) connected to animal sacrifices.


This is the law that was taken away at the Cross.

Col 2:16 let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

This is the exact language referring to the annual sabbath(s) that were handwritten by Moses, placed besides the ark that refer to annual feasts days, sacrifices and offerings that some were also called sabbath(s)

Eze 45:17 and it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.


What did Jesus say He would come to put an end to? (compared to magnifying another law- by placing it in our hearts Isa42:21 Heb8:10)


Dan 9:27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.


Col 2:17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ

What are the shadows laws? Lets let the Scriptures define what they are

Heb 10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once []purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.

5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”

8 Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law), 9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, []O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second. 10 By that will we have been []sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all

This fits the context of this passage perfectly and makes the Bible harmonize because we see Sabbath-keeping (every Sabbath) 30+ years after the Cross just as Jesus Himself indicated Isa 56:6-7 Acts 13:42, Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4 and up to His Second Coming Mat24:20-30 and forever Isa66:22-23
 
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OT saints weren't saved by keeping the law. No one has ever been saved by keeping the law...Galatians 2:16. OT saints were saved by grace through faith.
 
Jesus calls us His brothers and sisters. God calls us His children. We are servants only and in fact, we are also addressed as saints.

Jesus rose from the dead. He said to make disciples, not servants. Jesus already obeyed the law to perfection which you can never do nor can anyone else do. It is all in the Bible. For some reason, you choose to ignore it and call yourself a servant and sometimes a disobedient serfant that God is going to punish.

How does God punish you? Sounds like you have a very fearful salvation. Instead of rejoicing in Christ, you are afraid. How about the joy of the Lord?

pine

Will you at least believe Jesus Christ?

John 13

13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for [so] I am.

14 If I then, [your] Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.

Am I a hypocrite for offering the words of Jesus Christ?