The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

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Rom 2: 13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;

1Cor7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

Heb 4:8 By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going.

This whole idea that faith in God leads one to be disobedient to what God asks not only does not make common sense or is it biblical when looking at all of the Scriptures. Its actually the very first lie that started in the garden that we can disobey God and live.

It's makes perfect sense and is bilical when you have spiritual eyes that can see. When you don't have those eyes all that you can do is focus on the letter.
 
It's makes perfect sense and is bilical when you have spiritual eyes that can see. When you don't have those eyes all that you can do is focus on the letter.
The Spirit of Truth will never lead one away from what the Spirit of Truth Exo31:18 wrote out for us to keep if we love Jesus. The spirit leading one to disobey God is the one we are warned about. Isa 8:20 The spirit of the law is greater than the letter, not lessor. If we are arguing against keeping the letter thou shat have not have other gods before Me the spirit of the law most certainly is not being kept despite what we might tryout convince ourselves James 1:22
 
its simple, do what Jesus asked not only believe in him, i am serious. he gave His requirements for eternal life I am not kidding. His words were very clear when he explained this, you Must know this, do not miss out.
When is the last time you looked around, saw something that you liked, and said "I sure wish I had one of those"?
 
Just answer the question.
i think you are carrying the

When I read the NT I see Paul saying:
7Each one should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not out of regret or compulsion. For God loves a cheerful giver.
And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that in all things, at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work.…
(2 Corinthians 9:7)

Modern pastors like to refer us back to Malachi: 8Will a man rob God? Yet you are robbing Me! But you ask, ‘How do we rob You?’ In tithes and offerings. 9You are cursed with a curse, yet you—the whole nation—are still robbing Me.…(Malachi 3:8-9)
They like to accuse us in thundering tones of being "God-robbers" who are "cursed with a curse" and therefore liable to judgement. By contrast, the NT says "Christ was made a curse FOR us when He went to the cross. Even Balaam, who was greedy and self-serving, did not dare, "curse those whom God had blessed." Despite the fact that we might be giving out of fear, we are told that our blessing might yet be blocked if we fail to be sufficiently "cheerful"

In studying the Early Church of the first three centuries, I was surprised to find that none of the early leaders and ministers ever commanded their flocks that they must all must at least 10% of our income to the Church. As we can see in the Book of Acts, the early Christians were very generous and likely gave more considering that many of them were poor. It was only later that Pastors and Bishops began to earn significantly more than their flocks.
 
The spirit of the 4th commandment is to know through the inward witness of the holy spirit that God is sanctifying us and to cease from works of the flesh. That can be done any day of the week.
The spirit that is leading one away from what God said Heb4:4 Exo20:8-11, is not the one we are to follow

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there[a] is no light in them.
 
The spirit that is leading one away from what God said Heb4:4 Exo20:8-11, is not the one we are to follow Isa8:20 but we have free will.

Hebrews 4:4 is exactly the rest I'm talking about, ie, ceasing from works of the flesh and ceasing from trying to justify/sanctify ourselves through our own works. The work of sanctification belongs to God. Merely following the letter is self-effort that leads away from what the spirit of the 4th commandment is.
 
Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
Teachers often say "David was a man after Gods' heart as if that were ALWAYS true of him - which it obviously was not. At one point, Davis was an adulterer and a murderer and had he not repented God very well might have "cast him away from His Presence" At least, that was what David was afraid would happen to him just as it had to Saul.

However, David truly repented and God truly forgave him which is why David with such gratitude could say:
Blessed is he whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered. / Blessed is the man whose iniquity the LORD does not count against him, in whose spirit there is no deceit.
(Psalm 32:1-2)
Saul when confronted got angry because he was still hiding his sin. 1 John 1:7-9 says that to be forgiven requires us to come into to the light and acknowledging our sin for what they really are (1 John 1:7-9) This might be hard for us but it is not complicated.
 
Hebrews 4:4 is exactly the rest I'm talking about, ie, ceasing from works of the flesh and ceasing from trying to justify/sanctify ourselves through our own works. The work of sanctification belongs to God. Merely following the letter is self-effort that leads away from what the spirit of the 4th commandment is.


Heb4:4 is quoting what God said about the seventh day. Exo20:1 Exo20:8-11

Heb 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;

It does not say anywhere "ceasing from works of the flesh and ceasing from trying to justify/sanctify ourselves through our own works"

Its about when God ceased from His works, on the seventh day and we are told to follow Him. Heb4:10
 
without looking it up Moses was around the 1200 to 1300 BC but I showed you Abraham was observing the Torah long before Moses.

One other point, God the Father and Jesus Christ --- before creation began-- planned all things and that MUST include the Torah -- the whole of the Old Testament is bound up in Torah.

Why do you hate the things of God some much?


another thought-- it now seems to me some may think the Torah was an after thought that Christ and the Father regret putting in place.. LOL

the Torah reveals to all mankind the Holy Righteous Divine Nature and mind of GOD.
 
It does not say anywhere "ceasing from works of the flesh and ceasing from trying to justify/sanctify ourselves through our own works"

Its about when God ceased from His works, on the seventh day and we are told to follow Him. Heb4:10

Like I said, it takes spiritual eyes to see.

God rested on the 7th day forever because his work was perfect and complete.

We are to enter into Christ's eternal rest because his work is perfect and complete.
 
Hebrews 4:4 is exactly the rest I'm talking about, ie, ceasing from works of the flesh and ceasing from trying to justify/sanctify ourselves through our own works. The work of sanctification belongs to God. Merely following the letter is self-effort that leads away from what the spirit of the 4th commandment is.
IT is not unless you believe Jesus Christ and Paul

Why do so many ignore everything Jesus Christ taught and did???
When Jesus spoke this word to the Pharisees:
23Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You pay tithes of mint, dill, and cumin. But you have disregarded the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former....
He was speaking of what their obligations were while they still were under the yoke of the Law. Later, Peter described what being under the law was like:
"10Now then, why do you test God by placing on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear?
(Acts 15:10)
However, this is not Christ's yoke about which the Lord said :
29Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me; for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”… (Matthew 1:29)
 
The gospel
The free gift of grace
By faith

From the start of sin we have been saved the same way.

The obedience to the law was expected in all times. Adam's day, Noah's day, Abraham's day, Moses's day, David's day, Daniel's day, Jesus's day and in our day.

If all have been saved by grace how do you justify making the law void today?
Grace didn't make the law void at any other time in the past. And grace does not make the law void today.

Which law are you referring to?
 
Like I said, it takes spiritual eyes to see.

God rested on the 7th day forever because his work was perfect and complete.

We are to enter into Christ's eternal rest because his work is perfect and complete.
So not follow the Scripture but instead lean on our own understanding. The opposite of what we are told. pro 3:5-6 Pro 30:5-6.

I guess we shall see soon enough I know this can’t be reasoned so I will move on.
 
The spirit that is leading one away from what God said Heb4:4 Exo20:8-11, is not the one we are to follow

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there[a] is no light in them.
To be clear, are you a Seventh Day Adventist?
 
without looking it up Moses was around the 1200 to 1300 BC but I showed you Abraham was observing the Torah long before Moses.
“Torah” is usually used to refer to the first five books of the OT; Genesis through Deuteronomy. Your use if it is clearly not the same, given that none of it was written when Abraham walked the earth, and Moses was 80 before God spoke the Law to him.

One other point, God the Father and Jesus Christ --- before creation began-- planned all things and that MUST include the Torah -- the whole of the Old Testament is bound up in Torah.
Again, you’re using the term in a less common sense.

Why do you hate the things of God some much?
What kind of a jackdonkey question is that?
 
So not follow the Scripture but instead lean on our own understanding. The opposite of what we are told. pro 3:5-6 Pro 30:5-6.

I guess we shall see soon enough I know this can’t be reasoned so I will move on.

No, we are to lean on the spirit of understanding and follow what it teaches. The 4th commandment is a stumbling stone to those who don't have spiritual eyes to see what the purpose of it was.

But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; As it is written, Behold, I lay in Zion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. Romans 9:31-33