Who Killed Jesus?

[PaulThomson]

I am the LORD; I do not change​

- God​

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Read it in context, friend. God is rebuking Israel for braking their covenants with their wives, and God is saying that He does not change His covenants

Mal 3:6
For I am the LORD, I change (ShaNiYTHiY, Qal Perfect 1st person common singular, I have not changed) not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

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Num 3:12
And I, behold, I have taken (LaQaKhThiYhiYtHi, Qal perfect 1st person common singular) Levites from among the children of Israel instead of all the firstborn that opens the matrix among the children of Israel: therefore the Levites shall be mine;

Jacob had not been destroyed despite their unfaithful treachery in changing their marriage covenants, , because God had kept and not changed His covenant with Abraham Isaac and Jacob. The statement is context specific. It is not supposed to be taken as a theologically absolute universal truth. Otherwise, the old covenant would still be in force.

 

[PaulThomson]

Read it in context, friend. God is rebuking Israel for braking their covenants with their wives, and God is saying that He does not change His covenants

Mal 3:6
For I am the LORD, I change (ShaNiYTHiY, Qal Perfect 1st person common singular, I have not changed) not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Compare -

Num 3:12
And I, behold, I have taken (LaQaKhThiYhiYtHi, Qal perfect 1st person common singular) Levites from among the children of Israel instead of all the firstborn that opens the matrix among the children of Israel: therefore the Levites shall be mine;

Jacob had not been destroyed despite their unfaithful treachery in changing their marriage covenants, , because God had kept and not changed His covenant with Abraham Isaac and Jacob. The statement is context specific. It is not supposed to be taken as a theologically absolute universal truth. Otherwise, the old covenant would still be in force.

That first paragraph should read, "Read it in context, friend. God is rebuking Israel for braking their covenants with their wives, and God is saying that He has not changed His covenant with Jacob.

 

[GWH]

if it is necessary that He do this, it is not grace, but wages.

being the only way we can be saved isn't the same as He having no choice but to submit to our needs.

Romans 6:23 & Isaiah 53:4-6

 

[posthuman]

Read it in context, friend. God is rebuking Israel for braking their covenants with their wives, and God is saying that He does not change His covenants

Mal 3:6
For I am the LORD, I change (ShaNiYTHiY, Qal Perfect 1st person common singular, I have not changed) not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Compare -

Num 3:12
And I, behold, I have taken (LaQaKhThiYhiYtHi, Qal perfect 1st person common singular) Levites from among the children of Israel instead of all the firstborn that opens the matrix among the children of Israel: therefore the Levites shall be mine;

Jacob had not been destroyed despite their unfaithful treachery in changing their marriage covenants, , because God had kept and not changed His covenant with Abraham Isaac and Jacob. The statement is context specific. It is not supposed to be taken as a theologically absolute universal truth. Otherwise, the old covenant would still be in force.

the immutability of God is an idea prevalent in the Law and the Prophets.

because you hate it, you try to blame it on Plato.

 

[PaulThomson]

the immutability of God is an idea prevalent in the Law and the Prophets.

because you hate it, you try to blame it on Plato.

I don't "hate" the idea of the absolute immutability of God. I just don't embrace it because it is not taught in scripture. I do hate the attitude of those who infer things from reading verses out of context and then anathemise other Christians who don't agree with their flimsily supported opinions, thereby dividing the body of Christ that Jesus prayed would be one, and would love one another.

Read the whole book of Malachi and then consider Mal. 3:6 as it relates to the main tenor and rebukes the book makes of Jacob. You should not just wrest a scripture out of context and attach it some absolute theological truth claim that you learned from your traditions.

 

[4urenlightment]

He bore our sicknesses and diseases. And infections would have entered His body through his open wounds?

YLT
Surely our sicknesses he hath borne, And our pains -- he hath carried them, And we -- we have esteemed him plagued, Smitten of God, and afflicted.

John the Baptist said Jesus was the lamb from God who is here to take away the sin of the world and lamb sacrifices were use to take away the sin of the ones who sacrificed the lamb.
It was all planned By God that He prepared that day for His Son to be sacrificed. That's why Abraham didn't walked in the blood of the covenant. But there were two entities that walked through it. One represented God while the other represents the One that will be punished if Abraham's descendants failed to keep the covenant. That God will never have any man to make a vow because He knows they are unable to keep their promises because they're weak, but God can keep His word forever: Like as it says, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my word shall never", that God will keep His word to the end of time. And so, He had someone else to walk in the blood for them that will take the punishment for them that's if they don't complete the covenant.
But God tested Abraham to see if he was willing to give up his prized possession that he yearns for decades to possess, just to be with Him. And since Abraham was willing, that God is willing to go to the ends of the earth just for Abraham for being willing to do anything what God asked him to do.

And so, it was meant for the Israelites to have Jesus killed on the Passover.

 

[Blade]

For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus that if One died for all, then all died and He died for all, that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again. Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer.

Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.

For me not some question I have. ...I love this.. to let all the world know that Jesus saves.. shout it out.. to let all the world that Jesus shouts.. haha.. YES! I'm done

 

[PaulThomson]

you are right in that, it was His glory He set aside, emptying Himself - - but He never ceased to be God.

I agree.

His humanity is perfect, sinless humanity - not subject to death, decay or disease - and His deity is irrevocable. Jesus is never not God:

I agree.

...this is what makes His incarnation the greatest of all mysteries, and why i continue to see open theism as an humanistic philosophy which diminishes the hypostatic union and rejects the orthodox understanding of humility in the face of the incomprehensiblity of the infinite God.

You obviously do not have a clue about what open theists believe the Bible says about God.

in the Renaissance mankind exalted his own intellect, rejecting the ancient awe of the wisdom of God that surpasses ((human)) understanding. orthodoxy recognizes that there are aspects of our common salvation, and the personhood of The Christ in particular, which are beyond human comprehension in our present state.

I agree.

open theism is a natural extension of this vain lack of awe

Again. You clearly do not understand open theism.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Got off the topic a bit here, but glad to see the conversation getting deep into Scripture. Thanks to all who voted, I think it was very informative.

 

[mystic7]

Religion killed Jesus

 

[DavidLamb]

Religion killed Jesus

I would say rather, "False religion killed Jesus." Although the bible doers not call Christianity a religion, it does say:

“Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.” (Jas 1:27 NKJV)