The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[vassal]

Moses carried the tablets of stone and gave them to the Israelites.

The Israelites said "we will obey" that was their agreement to the covenant.

Once they agreed the covenant was confirmed with blood.

It came down to an agreement (a testament) between Israel and God.

No covenant was made by a Gentile nation to God at Mt Sinai, the Gentiles never said "we will obey".

There were no gentiles in the desert only israelites. have you left your brain under your pillow? the ot said clearly gentiles could join but that was later and not at mount sinai.

The people at Sinai were the children of Israel who had just come out of Egypt. Exodus 19 says it was “the house of Jacob” and “the children of Israel.” These were the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

 

[vassal]

Where does it say that the "ordinances", symbolic law, ceremonial law, was nailed to the cross?

You omitted the prophets.

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Looks like it's the whole law and the prophets.

Looks like AI is backing me up as usual, see below.

Final Scripture-Only Conclusion

1. Gentiles were never under the Mosaic Law.
2. Gentile believers are explicitly excluded from keeping the law of Moses (Acts 15).
3. Christians (Jew or Gentile) are not under the law (Rom 6:14).
4. The Ten Commandments are part of “the law” and cannot be separated from it (Rom 7:7; Gal 5:3).
5. The law written on stone has ended for those in Christ (2 Cor 3:7–11).
6. Believers are under the Law of Christ, led by the Spirit, not under the Mosaic Law.

AI does not know the difference between white and black it does not understand a thing, how could it understand scripture, matters related to the spirit? it cannot. Wake UP!

 

[TMS]

Where does it say that the "ordinances", symbolic law, ceremonial law, was nailed to the cross?

You omitted the prophets.

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Looks like it's the whole law and the prophets.

Looks like AI is backing me up as usual, see below.

Final Scripture-Only Conclusion

1. Gentiles were never under the Mosaic Law.
2. Gentile believers are explicitly excluded from keeping the law of Moses (Acts 15).
3. Christians (Jew or Gentile) are not under the law (Rom 6:14).
4. The Ten Commandments are part of “the law” and cannot be separated from it (Rom 7:7; Gal 5:3).
5. The law written on stone has ended for those in Christ (2 Cor 3:7–11).
6. Believers are under the Law of Christ, led by the Spirit, not under the Mosaic Law.

The devil is the ruler of this world so I wouldn't be so quick to trust the wisdom of this world...AI...

Where does it say the ordinance was nailed? you said....

Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Heb 9:1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
Heb 9: 9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

 

[Dino246]

So if you do not hold that view.. You must believe justification is not an excuses to sin.
Or sinning is not acceptable even though we are justified.

Sin Is the transgression of the law.

So transgression of the law is not acceptable even after justification.

Do you agree.

Justification is definitely not an excuse to sin.

 

[Inquisitor]

There were no gentiles in the desert only israelites. have you left your brain under your pillow? the ot said clearly gentiles could join but that was later and not at mount sinai.

The people at Sinai were the children of Israel who had just come out of Egypt. Exodus 19 says it was “the house of Jacob” and “the children of Israel.” These were the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

If you ask reform Jewish rabbis the question: “Are Gentiles expected to keep Torah?” meaning the Sabbath, the feasts, the kosher foods laws, circumcision, and so on?” To a man, they will all say, “No, of course not.” If you ask orthodox Jewish rabbis the same question, they will give you the same answer. I’ve even asked Messianic Jews—who are ethnic Jews who have come to believe in Yeshua, Jesus, as their messiah and savior—I’ve asked them, “Are Gentiles expected to keep Torah?” Same answer. “No, of course not.” I’ve also asked (and read) many protestant and Catholic theologians and clergy on this question and got the same answer. “No, Gentiles have never been expected to keep Torah.” The only people who think Gentiles are expected to keep Torah are our friends in the Hebrew Roots world of Torahism. This is ironic since it is a movement made up of 100% Gentiles.

In the opening verses of Exodus 19, Yahweh promised these people if they kept His commands, out of all the other nations and people groups on earth, they alone would be His treasured possession. Although the whole earth belongs to the Lord, Israel would be His holy nation. The word holy (קָדוֹשׁ qadosh) means “set apart, removed from common use.” So the idea of a holy or “set apart” nation further underscores the exclusivity of God’s covenant with Israel alone.

God did not command the Amalekites to circumcise their men or the Hittites to keep the Sabbath. And He certainly didn’t require the Amorites to make sacrifices in His temple. What Yahweh commands in the Torah He commands of Israel alone to set them apart from all the other nations and peoples. This is further demonstrated when Moses gave the Law for a second time, he told the Israelites,
(Gentiles and the Torah, Prof R L Solberg)

 

[Inquisitor]

AI does not know the difference between white and black it does not understand a thing, how could it understand scripture, matters related to the spirit? it cannot. Wake UP!

AI just reads the text it does not take sides.

 

[TMS]

Is this when it was first legally ratified..

A covenant is set up before the death. Like a will.
Once the blood ratified the covenant it can not change.

The new covenant was set up before it was ratified by the death of Jesus.

After the death of Jesus the covenant can not be changed..

Gal 3:15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.

It was confirmed by the blood of Jesus.

Heb 9:16-17
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

No changes can or could be made after the death of Jesus..

The quote above is egnored... When did all the changes take place in the time-line? At what point did the 10 commandments become void? And which verse clarifies the change?

 

[TMS]

If you ask reform Jewish rabbis the question: “Are Gentiles expected to keep Torah?” meaning the Sabbath, the feasts, the kosher foods laws, circumcision, and so on?” To a man, they will all say, “No, of course not.” If you ask orthodox Jewish rabbis the same question, they will give you the same answer. I’ve even asked Messianic Jews—who are ethnic Jews who have come to believe in Yeshua, Jesus, as their messiah and savior—I’ve asked them, “Are Gentiles expected to keep Torah?” Same answer. “No, of course not.” I’ve also asked (and read) many protestant and Catholic theologians and clergy on this question and got the same answer. “No, Gentiles have never been expected to keep Torah.” The only people who think Gentiles are expected to keep Torah are our friends in the Hebrew Roots world of Torahism. This is ironic since it is a movement made up of 100% Gentiles.

In the opening verses of Exodus 19, Yahweh promised these people if they kept His commands, out of all the other nations and people groups on earth, they alone would be His treasured possession. Although the whole earth belongs to the Lord, Israel would be His holy nation. The word holy (קָדוֹשׁ qadosh) means “set apart, removed from common use.” So the idea of a holy or “set apart” nation further underscores the exclusivity of God’s covenant with Israel alone.

God did not command the Amalekites to circumcise their men or the Hittites to keep the Sabbath. And He certainly didn’t require the Amorites to make sacrifices in His temple. What Yahweh commands in the Torah He commands of Israel alone to set them apart from all the other nations and peoples. This is further demonstrated when Moses gave the Law for a second time, he told the Israelites,
(Gentiles and the Torah, Prof R L Solberg)

Literal Israel today is nothing....
Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Literal Israel is no longer God's uniquely chosen nation because they proved untrustworthy and rejected the very Light they were appointed to reveal.
While God originally singled them out to be the depository of His law and a living illustration of true religion, their persistent rebellion and ultimate rejection of Christ led to the transfer of their privileges to a spiritual people.

Their probation ended. They are no longer God's choosen people.

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

This shows that for 3 and ahalf years leading to Christ's death and for 3 and a half years after Christ's death the covenant was being confirmed.

The probation of Israel ended because they did not accept the Messiah.

Anyone that accepts Jesus is now grafted into the olive tree.

Gentiles who believe in Christ are grafted into the tree, partaking of the root and fatness of the promises originally given to Abraham Romans 11:17-20

The promises made to the literal seed are now fulfilled through "spiritual Israel"—those in every nation who walk in the way of truth..

In the true Scriptural sense, the terms "Jew" and "Israel" are not confined to literal descendants; anyone who accepts God's law and the faith of Jesus becomes part of the true Israel.

True believers are described as a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, and a holy nation, called out of darkness to show forth the praises of God 1 Peter 2:9

Dan 7:18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

Both Jews and Gentiles are one in Christ.

No distinction....

The law is not only for a group of people,

It is for all

You shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the LORD your God.
Leviticus 24:22
God's law is a universal and unrestricted standard of righteousness intended for all humanity, not just for those of Jewish descent.
While the law was committed to literal Israel, its principles are eternal and apply to every person regardless of their nationality or background.

The "true Israel" is not determined by literal descent but by a spiritual connection to God through Christ Romans 9:6-8

Under the New Covenant, the law is not abolished but is written on the "fleshy tables of the heart" by the Spirit of God for every believer 2 Corinthians 3:3.
This internal transformation enables a person to serve in "newness of spirit" rather than the "oldness of the letter," fulfilling the law's requirements through a life of faith and loyalty Romans 7:14

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

 

[vassal]

If you ask reform Jewish rabbis the question: “Are Gentiles expected to keep Torah?” meaning the Sabbath, the feasts, the kosher foods laws, circumcision, and so on?” To a man, they will all say, “No, of course not.” If you ask orthodox Jewish rabbis the same question, they will give you the same answer. I’ve even asked Messianic Jews—who are ethnic Jews who have come to believe in Yeshua, Jesus, as their messiah and savior—I’ve asked them, “Are Gentiles expected to keep Torah?” Same answer. “No, of course not.” I’ve also asked (and read) many protestant and Catholic theologians and clergy on this question and got the same answer. “No, Gentiles have never been expected to keep Torah.” The only people who think Gentiles are expected to keep Torah are our friends in the Hebrew Roots world of Torahism. This is ironic since it is a movement made up of 100% Gentiles.

In the opening verses of Exodus 19, Yahweh promised these people if they kept His commands, out of all the other nations and people groups on earth, they alone would be His treasured possession. Although the whole earth belongs to the Lord, Israel would be His holy nation. The word holy (קָדוֹשׁ qadosh) means “set apart, removed from common use.” So the idea of a holy or “set apart” nation further underscores the exclusivity of God’s covenant with Israel alone.

God did not command the Amalekites to circumcise their men or the Hittites to keep the Sabbath. And He certainly didn’t require the Amorites to make sacrifices in His temple. What Yahweh commands in the Torah He commands of Israel alone to set them apart from all the other nations and peoples. This is further demonstrated when Moses gave the Law for a second time, he told the Israelites,
(Gentiles and the Torah, Prof R L Solberg)

I never speak of the Mosaic Law you know this well. of course gentiles do not have to follow the Torah as it means to keep the full, 613 detailed law plus all the additions in the talmud.. why bring this up

What you said was plainly stupid there was no gentiles at Sinai when they received the law, from GOD only Israel was there. like i said previously LATER they included anyone who wanted to join if they follow the full mosaic law, this Mosaic Law is not necessary for Gentiles today the Jerusalem council kept only four items as I explained elsewhere on this thread. the Ten Commandments remain, the sabbath remain. stop pulling rabbits out or your hat to justify your beliefs that for the most part are not biblical. it wont work with me.

 

[vassal]

The devil is the ruler of this world so I wouldn't be so quick to trust the wisdom of this world...AI...

Where does it say the ordinance was nailed? you said....

Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Heb 9:1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
Heb 9: 9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

TMS you are absolutely right but,
they are unlearned and will not study their bibles, they see the word commandment and imagine id is the ten commandments, I explain further for them what it means we have so show them, they so not study, it is the only way or they will continue to believe what they believe that the ten commandments Jesus was teaching, the eternal ""Moral law"" was nailed to the cross.

When Paul spoke about “the law of commandments contained in ordinances”, he was not talking about the Ten Commandments.
In the Old Testament, this expression points to the ceremonial laws and ritual rules that God gave to Israel through Moses. These were the laws that governed sacrifices, food, washings, clothing, feasts, priesthood, and how the temple service worked.
These laws were written as ordinances, meaning rules for ceremonies. They were not universal moral commands like the Ten Commandments.

Here are just a few clear Old Testament examples of what Paul meant:
Animal sacrifices
Rules about sin offerings, burnt offerings, peace offerings and how the priests must perform them.
You find these all over Leviticus 1–7.

Priesthood rules
How Aaron and his sons must dress, wash, be anointed, and offer incense.
Examples in Exodus 28–29.

Purity and washing rules
Washings with water, rules for touching a dead body, rules for childbirth, rules for leprosy.
Found in Leviticus 11–15.

Food laws
Clean and unclean animals.
Found in Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14.

Feast and festival requirements
Passover, Unleavened Bread, Weeks, Trumpets, Day of Atonement, Tabernacles — with all their rituals.
Found in Leviticus 23.

Civil and ceremonial penalties
Things like restitution payments, offerings needed for cleansing, or temporary removal from the camp.
Found in Numbers 5 and many other places.

Temple service laws
How the tabernacle must be built, how the ark is carried, who can enter, and when.
Found in Exodus 25–31.

None of these are the Ten Commandments.
The Ten Commandments were spoken by God directly, written with His own finger, placed inside the ark, and called the covenant.
The ordinances were written by Moses in a book and placed beside the ark.
So when Paul used that phrase, he was talking about these ceremonial and ritual rules, not the Ten Commandments.

 

[Dino246]

TMS you are absolutely right but,
they are unlearned and will not study their bibles, they see the word commandment and imagine id is the ten commandments, I explain further for them what it means we have so show them, they so not study, it is the only way or they will continue to believe what they believe that the ten commandments Jesus was teaching, the eternal ""Moral law"" was nailed to the cross.

When Paul spoke about “the law of commandments contained in ordinances”, he was not talking about the Ten Commandments.
In the Old Testament, this expression points to the ceremonial laws and ritual rules that God gave to Israel through Moses. These were the laws that governed sacrifices, food, washings, clothing, feasts, priesthood, and how the temple service worked.
These laws were written as ordinances, meaning rules for ceremonies. They were not universal moral commands like the Ten Commandments.

Here are just a few clear Old Testament examples of what Paul meant:
Animal sacrifices
Rules about sin offerings, burnt offerings, peace offerings and how the priests must perform them.
You find these all over Leviticus 1–7.

Priesthood rules
How Aaron and his sons must dress, wash, be anointed, and offer incense.
Examples in Exodus 28–29.

Purity and washing rules
Washings with water, rules for touching a dead body, rules for childbirth, rules for leprosy.
Found in Leviticus 11–15.

Food laws
Clean and unclean animals.
Found in Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14.

Feast and festival requirements
Passover, Unleavened Bread, Weeks, Trumpets, Day of Atonement, Tabernacles — with all their rituals.
Found in Leviticus 23.

Civil and ceremonial penalties
Things like restitution payments, offerings needed for cleansing, or temporary removal from the camp.
Found in Numbers 5 and many other places.

Temple service laws
How the tabernacle must be built, how the ark is carried, who can enter, and when.
Found in Exodus 25–31.

None of these are the Ten Commandments.
The Ten Commandments were spoken by God directly, written with His own finger, placed inside the ark, and called the covenant.
The ordinances were written by Moses in a book and placed beside the ark.
So when Paul used that phrase, he was talking about these ceremonial and ritual rules, not the Ten Commandments.

Which passage(s) clearly delineate the distinction between moral law and ceremonial law?

 

[mailmandan]

I explained elsewhere on this thread. the Ten Commandments remain, the sabbath remain..

Just admit that you teach salvation by faith plus obeying the 10 commandments. (works)

Jesus taught one gospel: the Kingdom of God, repentance, faith, and obedience to God’s commandments..

Jesus taught that God’s commandments are not only the guide for living well now, but also the path to eternal life..

Jesus did say the ten commandments are the path to eternal life..

Your signature verses below also make this obvious. Just own it.

If ye love me, keep my commandments. (john 14:15)
If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (mat 19:17)

 

[Mem]

Exodus 27:20
You shall charge the sons of Israel, that they bring you clear oil of beaten olives for the light, to make a lamp burn continually.

Isaiah 53:5
"... he was crushed for our iniquities; ..."

An interesting thing that I noted of this parable is that, after everyone woke up the foolish virgins were told to go into the market and buy their own oil. It strikes me as telling them that, you have no other choice, now, but to 'be crushed for your own iniquities.'

 

[Mem]

Isaiah 53:5
"... he was crushed for our iniquities; ..."

An interesting thing that I noted of this parable is that, after everyone woke up the foolish virgins were told to go into the market and buy their own oil. It strikes me as telling them that, you have no other choice, now, but to 'be crushed for your own iniquities.'

As I think more on that, more precisely, they asked the wise virgins to give some of their oil and were told, "find another way, or go into the market and find someone that is willing to be crushed for their iniquities and buy his oil." At any rate, even if they could've found an oil merchant, That Door was shut. And when they asked for Him to open it, His reply that He never knew them was a reflection of their recognition and acknowledgment of what had previously been His free offering, even as priceless then as it becomes so painfully obvious now.

 

[vassal]

Which passage(s) clearly delineate the distinction between moral law and ceremonial law?

I am sorry there is quite a lot of info, if you want I can add the verses in full within the text, just let me know.

There is no verse that literally says “this is the moral law and this is the ceremonial law,” but the Scriptures make the difference very clear by how they speak, what they command, and how they are treated by Jesus and the prophets. The moral law is God’s eternal commandments that define right and wrong for all people, rooted in God’s own character. Jesus treats these commandments as unchanging, everlasting, and required from the heart. He names commandments like “You shall not murder” (Exodus 20:13), “You shall not commit adultery” (Exodus 20:14), “You shall not steal” (Exodus 20:15), and “Honor your father and mother” (Exodus 20:12) as part of the path to eternal life (Matthew 19:17–19). He says He did not come to destroy the Law but to fulfill it (Matthew 5:17), and He warns that whoever breaks even the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 5:19). He also teaches that the two greatest commandments, to love God and to love your neighbor, hang on these moral laws (Matthew 22:36–40).

The ceremonial laws are completely different in purpose. They were not given to define sin or righteousness for all nations but to teach Israel about the coming Messiah through symbols, shadows, and physical rituals. The Old Testament calls them “ordinances” and “statutes forever throughout your generations” (Leviticus 23:14, 21, 31, 41), which shows they were tied to Israel’s time, temple, and priesthood. These included animal sacrifices (Leviticus 1–7), offerings (Leviticus 1–7), food restrictions tied to ritual purity (Leviticus 11; Deuteronomy 14), priestly clothing (Exodus 28–29), washings and purification laws (Leviticus 12–15), circumcision as a national sign (Genesis 17:10–14), and all the feast and festival ceremonies (Leviticus 23). They depended on the Levitical priesthood and the earthly sanctuary (Exodus 25–31). They were temporary shadows pointing toward Christ and ended in meaning when He came as the true Lamb, the true High Priest, and the true Temple (Hebrews 9:11–12, 23–24).

Scripture shows the difference by how they are treated. The moral law was spoken directly by God, written on stone by His own finger (Exodus 31:18), placed inside the ark under the mercy seat (Deuteronomy 10:4–5), and repeatedly confirmed by Jesus and His disciples (Matthew 19:17–19; John 14:15). The ceremonial laws were given through Moses, written in a book, placed beside the ark (Deuteronomy 31:24–26), and repeatedly described as shadows and temporary signs pointing to Christ (Hebrews 10:1). The prophets often rebuked Israel for trying to offer sacrifices and rituals while breaking the moral law, saying obedience, mercy, justice, and righteousness mattered far more than ritual acts (Hosea 6:6; 1 Samuel 15:22), showing that the two categories were not equal.

The New Testament also confirms this distinction. Jesus directly reinforces the moral commandments and deepens them to the heart level (Matthew 5:21–48), but He sets aside ritual requirements like hand washings, temple sacrifices, and food purity laws that were tied to Israel’s ceremonies (Matthew 15:9–20). The apostles teach Gentile believers to keep God’s moral requirements but do not place on them the ceremonial system of Moses (Acts 15:19–20, 28–29). When Paul speaks of the “law of commandments contained in ordinances” (2 Corinthians 3:6), he points to the ceremonial laws that separated Israel from the nations. The moral law never separated Jew and Gentile, but circumcision, sacrifices, feasts, and ritual distinctions did.

The clearest places where Scripture itself makes the difference shine through are the giving of the Ten Commandments as God’s eternal moral law (Exodus 20:1–17; Exodus 31:18; Deuteronomy 10:4–5), Jesus reaffirming these same commandments as the path of life and the measure of true righteousness (Matthew 19:17–19; John 14:15), the prophets showing that sacrifices and rituals are only meaningful when moral obedience stands first (Hosea 6:6; 1 Samuel 15:22), and the New Testament showing that the ceremonial system is fulfilled and no longer binding, while the moral law remains the standard by which sin is known and holiness is measured (Hebrews 9:11–12, 23–24).

This is not man-made reasoning. It is how Scripture itself distinguishes between what God wrote in stone for all people and all time and what was given to Israel as a temporary shadow until Christ came.

Blessings

 

[vassal]

As I think more on that, more precisely, they asked the wise virgins to give some of their oil and were told, "find another way, or go into the market and find someone that is willing to be crushed for their iniquities and buy his oil." At any rate, even if they could've found an oil merchant, That Door was shut. And when they asked for Him to open it, His reply that He never knew them was a reflection of their recognition and acknowledgment of what had previously been His free offering, even as priceless then as it becomes so painfully obvious now.

yes that door was shut and it is why I warn people here that this is coming soon and to prepare, there is still time.

Blessings

 

[Mem]

yes that door was shut and it is why I warn people here that this is coming soon and to prepare, there is still time.

Blessings

There is no other Name by which we can be saved. Moses struck the rock three times and by consequence was not permitted to enter the promised land. He was only allowed to look at it. The rock needed only to be struck once, and water came forth out of it. Jesus is the rock. He gives us living water.

But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life (Jn 4:14).

And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst (Jn 6:35).

I supposed that God was also not pleased with Moses' exclamation, "Must we give you water?!"

 

[vassal]

Just admit that you teach salvation by faith plus obeying the 10 commandments. (works)







Your signature verses below also make this obvious. Just own it.

If ye love me, keep my commandments. (john 14:15)
If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (mat 19:17)

Dan, the Ten Commandments are not “works” in the sense of earning salvation. The Pharisees tried to follow the law outwardly, keeping rules to be seen by others, but this is not what Jesus asked. Jesus gave practical examples of what obedience to God truly looks like: feeding the poor, visiting widows, helping those in need (Matthew 25:35–36; Luke 14:13–14). These actions are the kind He desires, not to show off, but because they flow from love for God and for others (John 13:34–35; 1 John 3:17–18). Doing them just to appear righteous does not count; the motivation must come from a heart changed by God. It is the Holy Spirit working within a transformed heart that enables these acts naturally, not as a means of earning salvation (Ezekiel 36:26–27; John 15:5). In other words, love is the root, and good actions are the fruit—without a renewed heart, even the best deeds cannot fulfill God’s intent. the signature below my posts are commanded by Jesus not myself. They are so important.

 

[Mem]

I supposed that God was also not pleased with Moses' exclamation, "Must we give you water?!"

I edited this onto my previous post within the provided window of time.

Before Moses struck the rock, he exclaimed, "Must we give you water?!" and I suppose that displeased God as much as striking the rock in excess of God's commandment to strike it once.

Who's we? "We" are only to do as God instructs, as He instructs. Can you imagine the Holy Spirit commanding anyone, at any time, "You should steal that piece of toast, for it is necessary!"?

 

[Mem]

God operates in real time. His very Name is I Am, present tense. Presence. Now. Today, and Always Will Be. He Was the Only One then and He Is the Only One now and He'll Always Be the Only One whose existence is only in Himself. And it is only His grace that provides us any existence, whether apart from of part of eternal existence in Him, neither can exist at all without Him.

Can't we just focus on getting people to (the very real) Him? The One that not only said,
“This is the covenant I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord. I will put My laws in their hearts and inscribe them on their minds (Heb 10:16)."
but also, "And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more (Heb 10:17)." Found under the chapter subheading Christ's Perfect Sacrifice.

For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified (1Cor 2:2).

Remember when the disciples were asking Jesus about sitting one on His left and one on His right and He said, "You do not know what you are asking (Mark 10:38),"? This brings to my mind the thief on the cross. Do we know whether he was on Jesus' left or right? Was he granted the most honored seat among men in all of earth's history?