Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Blain said:
No not everyone will believe but for those who do will be saved. the word believe is a word that means choosing to have faith in something and that something is Christ himself, The jews rejected him so he went to the gentiles but the key point is that anyone who calls on the name of Jesus Christ will be saved this is what the scriptures say and there are many verses that use the words allmeveryone,many ect. not some nor few nor selected groups either

So no not all will choose to believe but that doesn't mean that salvation is not fo all of mankind
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Blain,
I think that you are stuck somewhere in the middle of being a FWer and being reformed. I'm not criticizing you, simply stating a fact.
If the only way to God is through Christ, then we were either placed there or somehow achieved it by ourselves.
One of the first things that scripture teaches is our inability to please God in any way. That is why we are in need of a Savior.
If we cannot please Him, how can we, [without His grace], ever choose to trust and believe?
 
Blain said:
No not everyone will believe but for those who do will be saved. the word believe is a word that means choosing to have faith in something and that something is Christ himself, The jews rejected him so he went to the gentiles but the key point is that anyone who calls on the name of Jesus Christ will be saved this is what the scriptures say and there are many verses that use the words allmeveryone,many ect. not some nor few nor selected groups either

So no not all will choose to believe but that doesn't mean that salvation is not fo all of mankind
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Blain,
I think that you are stuck somewhere in the middle of being a FWer and being reformed. I'm not criticizing you, simply stating a fact.
If the only way to God is through Christ, then we were either placed there or somehow achieved it by ourselves.
One of the first things that scripture teaches is our inability to please God in any way. That is why we are in need of a Savior.
If we cannot please Him, how can we, [without His grace], ever choose to trust and believe?
Sorry got posted twice by accident!
 
BillyBob said:
God the Father has placed the elect into Christ to be kept in His care.
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Okay I suppose you mean election in Him before the foundation Eph 1:4 and perhaps Jude 1:1

BillyBob said:
They are drawn to Him by the Holy Spirit, and He provides us with His perfect righteousness. All our sins, [past, present and yes even future], have been placed on Him who has redeemed us. That is the only way that we can be presented spotless before the throne.
All three persons of the Godhead play a specific role in our salvation.
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Sounds agreeable, thanks
 
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sawdust said:
He was writing to Timothy who was considered to be a Jew.
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He was writing Timothy a pastor or a leader, whose Mother was a jew, his Father a Gentile. So he was considered a Gentile and suffered him to be circumcised because of that. And Pauls primary labour was to the Gentiles 1 Tim 2:7

Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

Faith of Gods elect. Again 2 Tim 1:9-12

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

11 Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.

12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

Im not going to continue this back and forth, if you believe the elect in 2 Tim 2:10 is only jews, you are deceived.
 
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BillyBob said:
Blain,
I think that you are stuck somewhere in the middle of being a FWer and being reformed. I'm not criticizing you, simply stating a fact.
If the only way to God is through Christ, then we were either placed there or somehow achieved it by ourselves.
One of the first things that scripture teaches is our inability to please God in any way. That is why we are in need of a Savior.
If we cannot please Him, how can we, [without His grace], ever choose to trust and believe?
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How about having a reformed free will is it possible,
 
BillyBob said:
Wrong again! We have put our trust in Christ alone, not ourself. Our trust is in what Christ has done, not what we have done.
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Funny. You keep telling us that( the natural man) can't put trust in The Lord Jesus Christ......But You did, exclusive to you ,and only for you...........The rest of us, rot in hell.
 
Jordon said:
[ the elect are saved people Psalms 139:1-3

Say the lord searches your heart he knows your heart he's knows what words your going to say before you speak them. That's called having knowledge of every aspect of your life.

Well guess what he searches the heart before salvation is given to.

Because guess what you owe God obedience, which means adoration as well, and if he doesn't see it in your heart then chop chop of to the scrap heap you go.
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Kroogz said:
You keep telling us that( the natural man) can't put trust in The Lord Jesus Christ......But You did,
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Why did you say he did it as a natural man? Why do you want the poster to talk about himself? A person does put their trust in Christ once they've been regenerated first
 
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sawdust said:
Excuse me? Did you miss the post where I detailed, albeit in brief, why tongues, knowledge and prophecy no longer are given as permanent gifts? I have given you far more evidence than the one verse you quoted me.

What evidence do you have that tongues was ever used in exorcisms or to heal? I know of no verses except where they speak of praising God and His works.
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Hmm... I might have missed it which post was or if possible to save me the issue of having to look through several posts could you give it again but honestly though what is it do you think that the verse I gave means if it does not mean tongues are for today?

Also considering that the gifts of tongues are not for excorcisms I don't see how there would be any scripture for it the word says this about tongues concerning not forbiding it
Corinthians 14:39
“Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues.” – 1 Corinthians 14:39​
It never gives us a timeframe on it but says to not forbid speaking in tongues so then if this verse is true then why forbid it if it is not for today? I have only seen one verse say they will cease and it is a misunderstood verse
 
BillyBob said:
Blain,
I think that you are stuck somewhere in the middle of being a FWer and being reformed. I'm not criticizing you, simply stating a fact.
If the only way to God is through Christ, then we were either placed there or somehow achieved it by ourselves.
One of the first things that scripture teaches is our inability to please God in any way. That is why we are in need of a Savior.
If we cannot please Him, how can we, [without His grace], ever choose to trust and believe?
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Unless he draws us to him firstwe would never choose salvation yes we have a choice but not by our own deisre the flesh does not seek the things of the spirit on it's own no one comes to salvation unless the father draws them first then they have a choice to either believe and accept or not.

But the natural man does not seek these things beforehand
 
Kroogz said:
Funny. You keep telling us that( the natural man) can't put trust in The Lord Jesus Christ......But You did, exclusive to you ,and only for you...........The rest of us, rot in hell.
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awe you don't think very much of yourself to say that.

But then again you don't think much of anything really, you only draw in the worst case scenario all the time.

Your like that Mr groundhog repeating yourself.
 
Solitude said:
2 Kings 22:27
With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.
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ok but again what actually makes one the elect? this verse doesn't explain what actually makes one the elect it just says the elect are the elect but I want to know what makes one the elect. like is it for all who believe or is it a pre set of people determined beforehand?
 
Blain said:
ok but again what actually makes one the elect? this verse doesn't explain what actually makes one the elect it just says the elect are the elect but I want to know what makes one the elect. like is it for all who believe or is it a pre set of people determined beforehand?
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Obedience.
 
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