Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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brightfame52 said:
The message of Salvation isnt an offer, its a preached declaration of the Person and Work of Jesus Christ, who He is, and His work that He has done and its glorious accomplishments for the elect. The requirements for salvation have been fulfilled by Christ.
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I certainly agree with this! Christ is the only man who can provide salvation because He lived a sinless life and offered Himself as a sacrifice on our behalf.
God demands perfection, and we can only obtain that perfection by being in Christonly Christ can give us that perfection.
 
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brightfame52 said:
It is the case
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nope ... that's just your usual denial that the offering of the Lord Jesus Christ is sufficient to cover all the sin of all descendants of Adam ...

1 Timothy 4:9-11

9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.

10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

11 These things command and teach.

In 1 Timothy 4:10, the word "specially" is translated from the Greek word malista which means chiefly, particularly.

The sufficiency of the offering is more than adequate to cover all sin of all mankind ... that is why salvation is a matter of faith ...

... and, as usual, your denial of God's over- and ever-abounding love ... a love which you limit but, thankfully, God does not ...

God's desire is that the wicked would turn from their wickedness ...

Isaiah 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

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BillyBob said:
Does this mean that everyone will believe? I don't think so! That belief/trust is provided by Christ Himself.
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No not everyone will believe but for those who do will be saved. the word believe is a word that means choosing to have faith in something and that something is Christ himself, The jews rejected him so he went to the gentiles but the key point is that anyone who calls on the name of Jesus Christ will be saved this is what the scriptures say and there are many verses that use the words allmeveryone,many ect. not some nor few nor selected groups either

So no not all will choose to believe but that doesn't mean that salvation is not fo all of mankind
 
brightfame52 said:
Jesus was raised a Savior to Israel as promised Acts 13:23

23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
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The "this man" of Acts 13:23 refers to David. Joseph and Mary were descended from David. The promise to David was kept by God Who is faithful to all His promises.

1 Chronicles 17:3, 11-15

3 And it came to pass the same night, that the word of God came to Nathan, saying,

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11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom.

12 He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever.

13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee:

14 But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore.

15 According to all these words, and according to all this vision, so did Nathan speak unto David.




brightfame52 said:
Israel is the elect whether Jew or Gentile
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Scripture is very clear ... God is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe
... this is the truth you reject ... God's love far surpasses your limitations.

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reneweddaybyday said:
nope ... that's just your usual denial that the offering of the Lord Jesus Christ is sufficient to cover all the sin of all descendants of Adam ...

1 Timothy 4:9-11

9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.

10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

11 These things command and teach.

In 1 Timothy 4:10, the word "specially" is translated from the Greek word malista which means chiefly, particularly.

The sufficiency of the offering is more than adequate to cover all sin of all mankind ... that is why salvation is a matter of faith ...

... and, as usual, your denial of God's over- and ever-abounding love ... a love which you limit but, thankfully, God does not ...

God's desire is that the wicked would turn from their wickedness ...

Isaiah 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

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I meant to give you a like and accidently gave a sad face my bad but bravo well said
 
Blain said:
The name calling in general needs to stop regardless of who does it even if it is magenta
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it's not just Magenta ... and it goes both ways ...

I sometimes think if we were all discussing in person, there would be less name calling. The anonymity of an online forum breeds the carelessness seen here. However, the thing is that God knows ... we can't hide from Him ... and every idle word will be accounted for at some point ... just sayin'

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Blain said:
Ok yeah that makes sense after all if one is not drawn by the father first then one cannot recieve salvation because after all the flesh does not desire nor seek the kingdom of their own doing

Even if one could it would only be by the quickening of the spirit within them
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on the other hand is the fact that if one is not drawn, he or she cannot deny ...

Matthew 10:32-33

32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

When drawn by the Father, one either receives or denies.

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Jordon said:
The thief on the cross was like thousands upon thousands of people crucified, and lots of them where crucified for having faith,

And many people who also Disobeyed God, where also still walking with God, now the thief on the cross does not mean he never had a relationship ship with God up until his last breath.
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That's a good point, Jordon. On the other hand, Scripture is clear that we have this lifetime only to believe in God.

I do not believe the opportunity is available after a person passes. After a person passes, he or she faces judgment ... with or without the Lord Jesus Christ Who is the Advocate for those who do not deny Him.

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment

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reneweddaybyday said:
on the other hand is the fact that if one is not drawn, he or she cannot deny ...

Matthew 10:32-33

32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

When drawn by the Father, one either receives or denies. Very true and this is something some refuse to accept because it goes riught against their personal beliefs niy God's word is God's word mans acceptance of it doesn't make it any less true

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reneweddaybyday said:
That's a good point, Jordon. On the other hand, Scripture is clear that we have this lifetime only to believe in God.

I do not believe the opportunity is available after a person passes. After a person passes, he or she faces judgment ... with or without the Lord Jesus Christ Who is the Advocate for those who do not deny Him.

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment

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I agree but call it a question at the moment, do you think God's hands out salvation halfway through his life without knowing his whole life.
 
Blain said:
Again no I am going by what the scriptures say just because you are unable to refute it doesn't mean I am leaning on my own understanding but but even if say I was leaning on my experience there is nothing initially wrong with that as long as I don't put it above his word sometimes our experience with God is so powerful that it it atestimony of his power

But I showed you the verse I explained myself several times and you have yet to be showing me any real proof for your unbelief at least as far as I have seen which granted I may have missed something but what evidence do you have I gave you mine
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Excuse me? Did you miss the post where I detailed, albeit in brief, why tongues, knowledge and prophecy no longer are given as permanent gifts? I have given you far more evidence than the one verse you quoted me.

What evidence do you have that tongues was ever used in exorcisms or to heal? I know of no verses except where they speak of praising God and His works.
 
brightfame52 said:
Okay, how would you say we be in Christ ? Thanks
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God the Father has placed the elect into Christ to be kept in His care. They are drawn to Him by the Holy Spirit, and He provides us with His perfect righteousness. All our sins, [past, present and yes even future], have been placed on Him who has redeemed us. That is the only way that we can be presented spotless before the throne.
All three persons of the Godhead play a specific role in our salvation.
 
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If the word of God is legally binding, ie. if what He says must be, then on what basis can God raise all men from the dead?

All have sinned ergo, all must die yet everyone, not believers only, but everyone is raised from the dead.

If the Cross did not cover the sins of unbelievers their sin is not pardoned and they should remain dead yet they are raised from the dead.

Why?
 
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