The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

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TMS said:
Our standing in Christ is defined by a complete personal surrender that allows His perfect righteousness to be imputed to us as a free gift, placing us in a position where we represent His character in our unique spheres of influence. This standing is not achieved through human merit or legalistic forms, but through a living faith that claims the merits of a crucified and risen Savior
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There is zero biblical precedent for your opinion above.

Your standing in Christ, my standing in Christ EVERYONES standing in Christ, has been achieved by Jesus sacrifice on the cross, His shed blood which God has accepted because Jesus is sinless and therefore His blood, is the blood of the atonement.

Did you read my post 1551? If you do, you will find a more detailed biblical explanation of what I am talking about.

You can also read a blog post by FlyingDove that explains the transaction from a biblical standpoint.

What are the merits of a crucified and risen Savior? Merits hardly begins to explain or describe all that God has given to us through His Son.

Did you copy your post from something?
 
TMS said:
Jesus came to this world to restore the moral image of God in fallen humanity.
This restoration is the central theme of the Bible and the primary objective of the plan of salvation, designed to bring man back to the perfection in which he was first created.
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This is truly the work of someone who does not understand the transaction at the cross or what happens when we accept Christ.

The 'moral' image of God? Jesus never had that in mind. and again, where did you get this derisory post from?
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
If so probably Seventh Day Adventist literature
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You could very well be right. After several searches, the wording sounds very similar to their literature. Anyway, its all gobble de gook.

This thread is like some kind of degenerative disease. You almost wouldn't think it could be made worse, then you find that post.
 
pinebeach said:
You could very well be right. After several searches, the wording sounds very similar to their literature. Anyway, its all gobble de gook.

This thread is like some kind of degenerative disease. You almost wouldn't think it could be made worse, then you find that post.
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The sabbath fixation + dietary stuff is a dead giveaway
 
We are changed into His likeness as we focus our faith on Him.
"But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord" 2Corinthians 3:18.

What image are we changed into?
 
Qt said:
How so?
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I elaborated further in post#1289. You brought up the consequences should anyone touch an unclean thing, and that brought to mind Peter's objection to the Lord's command to "kill and eat" of things in the lowered net. Peter declared, "No, Lord, ...no unclean thing has ever entered my mouth."

Now consider Leviticus 6:18's declaration of even the grain offerings, "Whatever touches them will be holy," as well as the sin offering in Lev 6:27, "Whatever touches any of the flesh will become holy..." in light of Jesus' offering for the sins of the world.
 
rogerg said:
I think I would agree with most of what you've said (given that I correctly understand you), but I would say we are born-again by the Holy Spirit from His indwelling of us when saved - but it is not from or by us. As a part of that, I believe a new heart, spirit, and a renewed mind, is given to us by God.
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I know that the power comes from God

But a choice is made by us.

A choice to accept that power or choice to reject that power.

I have experienced it myself. And know others that have experienced the change of heart.

When we come to a place of need, wretchedness and so low that we are willing to give self up. It makes room for repentance and Jesus who is constantly knocking at the door can be heard.

When we hear Jesus calling us and we open the door to Him, than Jesus can start to influence our hearts.

God does the shaping and molding of our hearts but He will not force us to change.

We need to give Him permission to change us.

Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me...
 
pinebeach said:
Your standing in Christ, my standing in Christ EVERYONES standing in Christ, has been achieved by Jesus sacrifice on the cross, His shed blood which God has accepted because Jesus is sinless and therefore His blood, is the blood of the atonement.
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True... we are justified in Christ, forgiven in Christ, made clean from all sin by Christ.
Praise the Lord for the blood shed by Jesus Christ..

But do you believe we are free to sin and continue to practice evil things after we have been justified in Christ.

When are you judged and when is that righteousness given to us?
Is Christ righteousness given to everyone?

I don't believe in OSAS so our standing can change, depending on our RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS.

1Jn 5:2-4
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
 
vassal said:
Did you notice you use only Paul's words and none of Christ? is not what Christ, the son of God, one with God, said of any importance to you? are Paul's words superior to Christ's?

Matthew 10:24
“The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.”

You will not understand Paul’s words until you look at them through the words of Christ.
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Jesus was sent only to the Jews and only spoke to the Jews.

Hence, the law and the prophets came up often in conversations.

Jesus was not sent to the Gentiles and was not speaking to the Gentiles.

You think that when Jesus mentions a commandment in the law, that he is speaking to you.

You do not hold membership in the old covenant YHWH had with Israel.

This is your critical mistake.

Gentiles were a wild olive tree not the cultivated olive tree.

Gentiles were grafted in at a later time.

The teaching that Jesus was conducting was aimed specifically to the Jews.

Romans 9:4
Who are Israelites, to whom belongs the adoption as sons, and the glory and the covenants and the
giving of the Law and the temple service and the promises.

The law is not your business.
 
TMS said:
I know that the power comes from God

But a choice is made by us.

A choice to accept that power or choice to reject that power.

I have experienced it myself. And know others that have experienced the change of heart.

When we come to a place of need, wretchedness and so low that we are willing to give self up. It makes room for repentance and Jesus who is constantly knocking at the door can be heard.

When we hear Jesus calling us and we open the door to Him, than Jesus can start to influence our hearts.

God does the shaping and molding of our hearts but He will not force us to change.

We need to give Him permission to change us.

Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me...
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I completely disagree. Read the terms of the New Covenant carefully. In it, God clearly states that His stipulations would be achieved by Him alone, including the forgiveness of sins. Those He saves are those He had previously elected unto salvation, but they are only the recipients of the New Covenant, not its executors, and by that, salvation is completely by God's grace - that it is all by God; He is the one who saves, man does not/cannot save himself, nor can he contribute in any way to it.
When a new heart, a new spirit, and a renewed mind are given by God to someone upon becoming born again, the essence of that person is changed into that of a Christian, a process that will then continue throughout the remainder of their lives.
 
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Jesus gave an illustration of the experience of the church that shall live just before His second coming.

Matt 25 1-13.

The two classes of watchers represent the two classes who profess to be waiting for their Lord. They are called virgins because they profess a pure faith. By the lamps is represented the word of God. The psalmist says, “Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto may path.” Psalm 119:105. The oil is a symbol of the Holy Spirit. Thus the Spirit is represented in the prophecy of Zechariah. 4:1-14.

“Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit, saith the Lord of hosts.” Zechariah 4:6

In the parable, all the ten virgins went out to meet the bridegroom. All had lamps and vessels for oil. For a time there was seen no difference between them. The church that lives just before Christ’s second coming is much the same. All have a some knowledge of the Scriptures. All have heard the message of Christ’s near approach, and confidently expect His appearing.

As in the parable, so it is now.

The class represented by the foolish virgins are not hypocrites. They have a regard for the truth, they have advocated the truth, they are attracted to those who believe the truth; but they have not yielded themselves to the Holy Spirit’s working. They have not fallen upon the Rock, Christ Jesus, and permitted their old nature to be broken up. This class are represented also by the stony-ground hearers. They receive the word with readiness, but they fail to understand and practice its principles.

The Spirit works upon man’s heart, implanting in him a new nature; but the class represented by the foolish virgins have been content with a superficial work.

“They come unto thee as the people cometh, and they sit before thee as My people, and they hear thy words, but they will not do them; for with their mouth they show much love, but their heart goeth after their covetousness.” Ezekiel 33:31.
The apostle Paul points out that this will be the special characteristic of those who live just before Christ’s second coming. He says, “In the last days perilous times shall come: for men shall be lovers of their own selves; ... lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof.” 2 Timothy 3:1-5.

DENYING THE POWER OF GOD TO TRANSFORM, and denying the power of the Holy Spirit obey the law in us.
The grace of God has been freely offered to every soul.

But character is not transferable. No man can believe for another. No man can receive the Spirit for another.

Both parties were taken unawares; but one was prepared and the other was found without preparation.
They were not saved

In these last days many will claim admission to Christ’s kingdom, saying, “We have eaten and drunk in Thy presence, and Thou hast taught in our streets.” “Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? and in Thy name have cast out devils? and in Thy name done many wonderful works?” But the answer is, “I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from Me.” Luke 13:26; Matthew 7:22; Luke 13:27
 
rogerg said:
I completely disagree. Read the terms of the New Covenant carefully. In it, God clearly states that His stipulations would be achieved by Him alone, including the forgiveness of sins. Those He saves are those He had previously elected unto salvation, but they are only the recipients of the New Covenant, not its executors, and by that, salvation is completely by God's grace - that it is all by God; He is the one who saves, man does not/cannot save himself, nor can he contribute in any way to it.
When a new heart, a new spirit, and a renewed mind are given by God to someone upon becoming born again, the essence of that person is changed into that of a Christian, a process that will then continue throughout the remainder of their lives.
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How can God punish anyone if they have no choice in the election?

It is all by God's power, all by God's grace
All by God's forgiveness and goodness and rightoeusness and wisdom and glory.. AND LOVE... but love does not force. Or make us saved or lost against our will.

Can I choose to accept the gift of life and also choose to reject it. ??
Can I choose to open my heart and allow Jesus to live in me and can I close my heart and refuse to let Jesus in. ???

Does Jesus force His way into our hearts and force some to obey and ignore others?

Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
 
Inquisitor said:
Jesus was sent only to the Jews and only spoke to the Jews.

Hence, the law and the prophets came up often in conversations.

Jesus was not sent to the Gentiles and was not speaking to the Gentiles.

You think that when Jesus mentions a commandment in the law, that he is speaking to you.

You do not hold membership in the old covenant YHWH had with Israel.

This is your critical mistake.

Gentiles were a wild olive tree not the cultivated olive tree.

Gentiles were grafted in at a later time.

The teaching that Jesus was conducting was aimed specifically to the Jews.

Romans 9:4
Who are Israelites, to whom belongs the adoption as sons, and the glory and the covenants and the
giving of the Law and the temple service and the promises.

The law is not your business.
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So are you saying we should not read or listen to anything that Jesus said. Are Jesus's teaching for me today?
 
Inquisitor said:
Jesus was sent only to the Jews and only spoke to the Jews.

Hence, the law and the prophets came up often in conversations.

Jesus was not sent to the Gentiles and was not speaking to the Gentiles.

You think that when Jesus mentions a commandment in the law, that he is speaking to you.

You do not hold membership in the old covenant YHWH had with Israel.

This is your critical mistake.

Gentiles were a wild olive tree not the cultivated olive tree.

Gentiles were grafted in at a later time.

The teaching that Jesus was conducting was aimed specifically to the Jews.

Romans 9:4
Who are Israelites, to whom belongs the adoption as sons, and the glory and the covenants and the
giving of the Law and the temple service and the promises.

The law is not your business.
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2Ti 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

ALL SCRIPTURE
 
Inquisitor said:
Jesus was sent only to the Jews and only spoke to the Jews.

Hence, the law and the prophets came up often in conversations.

Jesus was not sent to the Gentiles and was not speaking to the Gentiles.

You think that when Jesus mentions a commandment in the law, that he is speaking to you.

You do not hold membership in the old covenant YHWH had with Israel.

This is your critical mistake.

Gentiles were a wild olive tree not the cultivated olive tree.

Gentiles were grafted in at a later time.

The teaching that Jesus was conducting was aimed specifically to the Jews.

Romans 9:4
Who are Israelites, to whom belongs the adoption as sons, and the glory and the covenants and the
giving of the Law and the temple service and the promises.

The law is not your business.
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Do the gentiles have any part in the new covenant?
When did the gentiles start to be part of the new Covenant?

Please show me the legal conditions of this covenant that incorporate the gentiles.
 
TMS said:
How can God punish anyone if they have no choice in the election?

It is all by God's power, all by God's grace
All by God's forgiveness and goodness and rightoeusness and wisdom and glory.. AND LOVE... but love does not force. Or make us saved or lost against our will.

Can I choose to accept the gift of life and also choose to reject it. ??
Can I choose to open my heart and allow Jesus to live in me and can I close my heart and refuse to let Jesus in. ???

Does Jesus force His way into our hearts and force some to obey and ignore others?

Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
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You either didn't read, or do not understand, or do not believe, the terms of the New Covenant, terms that God
obliged Himself to satisfy.

Only the elect, the saints, will hear His voice - it is a spiritual hearing, not a physical hearing.

No one receives the gift because they chose to accept it - what makes it a gift, is because it is placed into the possession of those chosen for it by God freely as a gift, thereby making it a completely free gift. Otherwise, if the accepting of it were actually a requirement to receiving it, then salvation would be by our works and not God's grace. You can't have it both ways: it is either fully and completely a gift by/from God's grace to include receiving it, or it is by us, with nothing in common between the two, and with nothing that can selectively be chosen from either of them - they each individually, are an all or nothing proposition.
It's really a simple very gospel: do you believe that Christ is the Savior or don't you? If you do, then that should answer all questions pertaining to salvation; if you don't, then were I you, I would reevaluate whether or not I should consider myself really a Christian
 
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