Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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I am not talking about the Reformed.
My beef is with tulipism.
IMO and my experience.....This is a diversion tactic.

Reformed/calvie/tulip theory are all the same........In the very end.

It's like an electronic circuit, voltage in and voltage out. All the resistors,capacitors and transistors change and regulate the voltage within the circuit......But the voltage out is ALWAYS the same.

When I was in the game, it was 3 point, 4 point or 5 point (tulip.).........But the end result was the SAME.
 
Sorry does not change anything.
I am well aware of that. And I am sure that many others are also.

But, for those who do want the truth and are seeking.....You know, the ones that you SHUT OUT. They at least get to hear the GOOD NEWS.
 
Matt 23:13
Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let in those who wish to enter.
revelation also says Jesus shuts the door here, on those who shuts his door that would be his fathers door to, so how are there equal privileges for those people here whom Jesus is talking to ?

This is why i say your a power to the people type, using scripture to suit your course, and yourself,

Where as bright frame is only saying Jesus saves Jesus opens and Jesus closes

Here it is here
Revalation 3:7-8
These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open. 8 I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an open door that no one can shut. I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name.
 
revelation also says Jesus shuts the door here, on those who shuts his door that would be his fathers door to, so how are there equal privileges for those people here whom Jesus is talking to ?

This is why i say your a power to the people type, using scripture to suit your course, and yourself,

Where as bright frame is only saying Jesus saves Jesus opens and Jesus closes

Here it is here
Revalation 3:7-8
These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open. 8 I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an open door that no one can shut. I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name.
those who deny his father do not have equal privileges
 
revelation also says Jesus shuts the door here, on those who shuts his door that would be his fathers door to, so how are there equal privileges for those people here whom Jesus is talking to ?

This is why i say your a power to the people type, using scripture to suit your course, and yourself,

Where as bright frame is only saying Jesus saves Jesus opens and Jesus closes

Here it is here
Revalation 3:7-8
These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open. 8 I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an open door that no one can shut. I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name.
He shut the door on sin being an obstacle for mankind. None can open that door. The veil was rent.

No one can shut the door of His salvation.....Not you and not anyone else.

While you guys try to shut it.....We pronounce it open to ALL.

We are His "wedge" under His OPEN door to the world.
 
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He shut the door on sin being an obstacle for mankind. None can open that door. The veil was rent.

No one can shut the door of His salvation.....Not you and not anyone else.

While you guys try to shut it.....We pronounce it open to ALL.

We are His "wedge" under His OPEN door to the world.
Theses are just more insinuations and miss representing of what we're actually saying, but also this you bring selfish about your God, and hating us with your God.

The fathers devine nature goes to work in a person first, where they left in sin if they dont listen
 
I listened to the Chronister teaching today. It would be interesting to find a child who could follow and understand what he taught! A lot to digest.

One thing he said that I enjoyed because it's been a topic in many places on these threads is how he noted that "life" has biblical meaning and is "intrinsic" to [genuine] faith. Such things the Text explains and defines as being "intrinsic" to faith - actually a part of faith - is hard to get people to see. Good stuff!
he noted that "life" has biblical meaning and is "intrinsic" to [genuine] faith.

Just reviewing the same lecture material to catch up on what you offered.
Indeed this is so. And how profound is it to find Hab 2:4 in the Samson account?

Rom 1:17
For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”
 
My friend do you believe that salvation is for all if they choose to accept it or do you believe it is only for a select group?
salvation starts with the devine nature of the father going to work in a person first, so yes as I've stated numerous times.

Everyone is given a chance at first from birth, but not everyone follows his word.

So it's offered to all, but his light and his father's light sees there deeds and they turn away.

John 1
The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
 
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Theses are just more insinuations and miss representing of what we're actually saying, but also this you bring selfish about your God, and hating us with your God.

The fathers devine nature goes to work in a person first, where they left in sin if they dont listen
Salvation is equal privilege and equal opportunity.

John 3:16
Acts 16:31

God Loves the WHOLE world. And is not willing for any to perish.

I Concur with the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
salvation starts with the devine nature of the father going to work in a person first, so yes as I've stated numerous times.

Everyone is given a chance at first from birth, but not everyone follows his word.

So it's offered to all, but his light and his father's light sees there deeds and they turn away.

John 1
The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
Ok so if I am to understand you correctly then it is offered to all but some refuse or turn away and thus shut the door on themselves
 
Salvation is equal privilege and equal opportunity.

John 3:16
Acts 16:31

God Loves the WHOLE world. And is not willing for any to perish.

I Concur with the Lord Jesus Christ.
yep you keep repeating but you answer to simple truth.

I bet you can't even answer this simple question

Is salvation still offered to people in hell ? And what point in there life did it stop being offered ?

For all you know they could of been a serial kiddy rapist
 
IMO and my experience.....This is a diversion tactic.
Reformed/calvie/tulip theory are all the same........In the very end.
It's like an electronic circuit, voltage in and voltage out. All the resistors,capacitors and transistors change and regulate the voltage within the circuit......But the voltage out is ALWAYS the same.
When I was in the game, it was 3 point, 4 point or 5 point (tulip.).........But the end result was the SAME.

Well, just in case all Reformed are not tulipists, I want to be sure they know my only beef is with those who deny MFW.
I also try to make it clear that I only want to discuss the doctrine of tulipism without attacking or arguing with tulipists,
which is a fine line, I realize, but I want to compare beliefs, not engage in ad hominem insults.
 
yep you keep repeating but you answer to simple truth.

I bet you can't even answer this simple question

Is salvation still offered to people in hell ? And what point in there life did it stop being offered ?

For all you know they could of been a serial kiddy rapist
No. Physical death is the end of opportunity.
Our last breath is our last opportunity.

And your example appeals to our emotions. Not to HIS truth. ONE itsy bitsy sin separates us from a HOLY God as do the unthinkable sins.

Salvation is equal privilege and equal opportunity for ALL.
 
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Ok so if I am to understand you correctly then it is offered to all but some refuse or turn away and thus shut the door on themselves
His word is clear by his beatitudes, but more that that, his word is clear that salvation requires both the devine nature of the father and the son in a person,

So t's a case of first come the Jew then the gentile for me,

Salvation is a gift from him not from people, the fiery test within the heart decides the outcome, salvation is something you cant just freely choose without going through the father first who draws you to him. Otherwise you would have evil people roaming around in heaven.