The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[rogerg]

The teaching that “the blood is the covenant” does not come from the Bible itself.
It comes from certain modern Christian denominations, especially groups that focus very strongly on a “blood-only” view of salvation. NOT BIBLICAL

Wrong, it is in Bible.

[1Co 11:25 NIV] 25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me."

[Mat 26:28 NIV] 28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

[Luk 22:20 NIV] 20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

 

[Dino246]

Wrong, it is in Bible.

[1Co 11:25 NIV] 25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me."

[Mat 26:28 NIV] 28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

[Luk 22:20 NIV] 20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

I think he’s picking nits, but he he does have a point: the blood, << by itself >> is not the covenant. It is biblically accurate to say “the blood of the new covenant” or “the new covenant in My blood” but not “the blood is the covenant”.

 

[pinebeach]

I think he’s picking nits, but he he does have a point: the blood, << by itself >> is not the covenant. It is biblically accurate to say “the blood of the new covenant” or “the new covenant in My blood” but not “the blood is the covenant”.

Picking nits, splitting hairs whatever it takes to bring everyone back to the commandments. I dont really see much difference there, but I get what you are saying.

 

[pinebeach]

a covenant is a binding agreement by 2 parties. In Scripture, the blood seals, confirms, or ratifies a covenant, but it is not the covenant itself.

The teaching that “the blood is the covenant” does not come from the Bible itself.
It comes from certain modern Christian denominations, especially groups that focus very strongly on a “blood-only” view of salvation. NOT BIBLICAL

You refuse to agree with what Jesus said and continue on with your commandment observations. That's all.

Luke 22:19–20
19 And he took bread, and hwhen he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” 20 And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is lthe new covenant in my blood.

Matthew 26:26–28
26 Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and wafter blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.” 27 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you, 28 for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

Mark 14:22–24
22 And as they were eating, he took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to them, and said, “Take; this is my body.” 23 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, and they all drank of it. 24 And he said to them, “This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many.

 

[pinebeach]

Everyone is a sinner.

Some people are stuck there, calling themself a sinner or saying we are sinners. God does not see us as sinners nor does He call us sinners. God calls us His children. Our life is hidden with Christ .

For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. Colossians 3:3 The righteousness of Christ is our covering before God.

So call yourself a sinner, but that is a viewpoint not shared by the authors of scripture. To be sure, we do commit sin, but because Jesus took our sins upon Himself, God does not see them. This is all in scripture and sadly, it seems that too many people have not understood all that Jesus had done for them or how things work now in the life of a believer.

So yeah. Refer to yourself as a sinner if that is your understanding but thank God, He does not see us that way.

 

[rogerg]

I think he’s picking nits, but he he does have a point: the blood, << by itself >> is not the covenant. It is biblically accurate to say “the blood of the new covenant” or “the new covenant in My blood” but not “the blood is the covenant”.

Okay.

 

[pinebeach]

The Spirit is sinless
If we walk in the Spirit, obey the SPIRIT, the outcome will be the same as what Jesus did... Jesus followed the Spirit and never sinned.

Jesus is God. As such, He was sinless and able to remove our sins from us. The Holy Spirit is not given so that you can be sinless; no one on this earth is sinless. That is a false teaching and occurs because people do not have a good foundation of the Bible and lack understanding of why the Holy Spirit is even in believers. He has many functions and yes, He is there as a helper also, but never to make us sinless because that is not His role.

So unless you can claim godhood, you are incapable of being sinless. Have you somehow achieved sinlessness? You are not equal with Christ. Before you became a believer, did you sin? Then you will never have a sinless life you can point to.

 

[pinebeach]

Gal 5:18 KJV But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Don't you try to follow the 10 commandments? You cannot exist in a dichotomy between the law and the covenant of the New Testament. I mean you quote that verse...do you not understand what it actually means?

 

[vassal]

Wrong, it is in Bible.

[1Co 11:25 NIV] 25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me."

[Mat 26:28 NIV] 28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

[Luk 22:20 NIV] 20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

Blood is not covenant, Jesus blood "sealed" the New covenant. please research this for yourself it's absolutely fine and I en courage you do do so. What does "cup" mean in lukee 22:20 and 1col11:25you you know? please research this as well it is important for you to know..

 

[rogerg]

Blood is not covenant, Jesus blood "sealed" the New covenant. please research this for yourself it's absolutely fine and I en courage you do do so. What does "cup" mean in lukee 22:20 and 1col11:25you you know? please research this as well it is important for you to know..

Okay, I stand corrected.

 

[pinebeach]

The new covenant IN my blood does not really mean that it is a part of the commandments as the op as tried over and over to explain to everyone. It has been researched thousands of times by people who understand the original languages and have translated our Bibles.

So, no worries. Just keep the 10 commandments, even though no one has ever done that, and you are good to go.

Well, actually, no. In order to believe that, you would have to ignore the sacrificial system in place in the Old Testament. You would have to ignore this scripture: For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for your souls upon the altar; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul. Lev.17:11, further, you would have to ignore all the foreshadowing in the OT through that system that pointed to God's plan of salvation, which culminated with the death of Jesus on the cross.

Right in Genesis we see the signifigance of blood when God says to Cain “What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood is crying to Me from the ground. " Gen.4

The new covenant was even predicted in Jer. 31: 31-33 31 “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. 33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people."
There is no mention of keeping the old, or the law (which the commandments are a part of) there is only the prophecy of God instituting a new covenant which is not going to demand law keeping, but rather God Himself placing what He desires INSIDE of people. That happens today, by the infilling of the Holy Spirit who indeed does renew our spirits and gives us a new 'heart.'

Animal sacrifice did not actually take away sins: because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. Hebrews 10:4 THEREFORE, Jesus was sent to establish a better covenant, one that would actually take away sins and hold believers sinless before God, through belief in Jesus. The new covenant was established through Jesus blood shed on the cross.

According to the law, in fact, nearly everything must be purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness. Hebrews 9:22 which is what occurred on the cross; Jesus was sinless and his blood offering was acceptable to God. It was not like the blood of the thousands of animals sacrificed before. This was the final sacrifice and Jesus is our High Priest and the last high priest required by God to offer blood on behalf of everyone.

The 10 commandments do not save anyone; in fact, they condemn people to death because no one can keep them. The commandments shine a spotlight on sin. The Bible consistently tells us that no one can keep the commandments. There would have been no animal sacrifice if people could have keep the commandments.

If a person is not familiar with the above, if they have not become familiar with the old testament and the reason Jesus had to die or why blood is what God requires (the LIFE is in the blood)
For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for your souls upon the altar; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul. Lev.17:11
then they could conceiveably and mistakenly refer back to the old covenant, BUT it is impossible to misunderstand that the new covenant is through blood as the verses above plainly state.

The commandments were given to the nation of Israel. God's covenant was with that people; there is no other nation or people that God has ever made a covenant with as that one. Israel is the only covenant nation. The covenant believers have is through belief in Christ and His sacrifice on the cross. Even when an Israeli or Jewish person accepts Christ, they are now in covenant with God through Christ and not any commandments.

Stating the commandments are the covenant is a grave error that does not end in salvation. It ends in condemnation.

 

[pinebeach]

Okay, I stand corrected.

What are you corrected on? Do you now believe the commandments are the covenant? vassal is playing with words. The covenant is through blood as even the old testament consistently explains.

 

[rogerg]

What are you corrected on? Do you now believe the commandments are the covenant? vassal is playing with words. The covenant is through blood as even the old testament consistently explains.

No, no way. Corrected that the Covenant not being the blood of Christ See post 1542

 

[pinebeach]

No, no way. Corrected that the Covenant not being the blood of Christ See post 1542

it is through the blood of Christ. I think you know that?

 

[rogerg]

it is through the blood of Christ. I think you know that?

Yes, of course. I don't not believe the law has any efficacy whatsoever regarding salvation. It is all by God's mercy and grace
through Jesus Christ and His offering and sacrifice.

 

[pinebeach]

Yes, of course. I don't not believe the law has any efficacy whatsoever regarding salvation. It is all by God's mercy and grace
through Jesus Christ and His offering and sacrifice.

Thanks.

 

[TMS]

The other error you continually make, is that you do not seem to know, let alone, understand what your standing in Christ is. I hope you are not claiming to be a fruit tree here, cause that is some low hanging fruit that is evidence of what you say is possible

Our standing in Christ is defined by a complete personal surrender that allows His perfect righteousness to be imputed to us as a free gift, placing us in a position where we represent His character in our unique spheres of influence. This standing is not achieved through human merit or legalistic forms, but through a living faith that claims the merits of a crucified and risen Savior

2Co 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

As ambassadors of Christ we are to represent His character. A witness for His Glory.

Our own righteousness is as "filthy rags," but through faith, we are clothed in the white raiment of Christ’s divine righteousness. Isaiah 64:6
When we are clothed in His righteousness, we are looked upon by the Father as obedient children, and the sinner's defects are covered by Christ's perfection.

By beholding Christ's character and making Him a daily companion, we are changed into His image from glory to glory.

Jesus is currently standing as our Intercessor and Advocate in the heavenly courts, pleading His own merits in our behalf.
As we confess our sins with a contrite heart, He takes our guilt upon Himself and imputes His righteousness to us.
Our standing is secure when we rely unfalteringly on His promises.

Jesus came to this world to restore the moral image of God in fallen humanity.
This restoration is the central theme of the Bible and the primary objective of the plan of salvation, designed to bring man back to the perfection in which he was first created.

By assuming human nature, Jesus gave all people a living connection with Himself, providing a way for them to become partakers of the divine nature 2 Peter 1:4
Searching the Scriptures and feeding upon the truth transforms the character and renews the mind after the image of the Creator Colossians 3:10.

Philippians 2:12-13
Why, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13 For it is God which works in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

In the beginning, humanity was created to reflect the glory of the Creator. Although sin marred this design, the gospel is the power of God to bring us back into the divine image. Jesus, who is the perfect "image of the invisible God" Colossians 1:15, came to earth so that we might be "conformed to the image of His Son" Romans 8:29. This is a work of both physical and spiritual restoration.

So our standing today is being conformed to the image of the Son.

Thank God Jesus did not leave us seperated..

 

[TMS]

Yes, of course. I don't not believe the law has any efficacy whatsoever regarding salvation. It is all by God's mercy and grace
through Jesus Christ and His offering and sacrifice.

I have said that the law has no Power to save. Many times I have highlighted this truth. That works or law keeping can not save us. Jesus saves.

But when you say JESUS SAVES ...

HE SAVES from the past sins and from
HE SAVES from the future sin.

By a transformed heart we become born again. A life that has been freed from sinful practices.

 

[rogerg]

I have said that the law has no Power to save. Many times I have highlighted this truth. That works or law keeping can not save us. Jesus saves.

But when you say JESUS SAVES ...

HE SAVES from the past sins and from
HE SAVES from the future sin.

By a transformed heart we become born again. A life that has been freed from sinful practices.

I think I would agree with most of what you've said (given that I correctly understand you), but I would say we are born-again by the Holy Spirit from His indwelling of us when saved - but it is not from or by us. As a part of that, I believe a new heart, spirit, and a renewed mind, is given to us by God.

 

[rogerg]

A life that has been freed from sinful practices.

I should also have included that being freed from sinful practices depends on which sinful practices you
have in mind. If you meant sins of the flesh, I think no one in this life ever entirely becomes free of those, although
God does give chastisement to His children for correction - I know He has and He does so to me and it ain't fun, believe me. However, regarding spiritual sin, I do not think those saved ever again commit that kind of sin again after becoming saved, such as to return to a trust and belief in their works for salvation or of anything outside of Christ alone as the Savior, because God tells us in 1 Pet 1:5, that He wouldn't allow that to occur to those saved.