Acts 2:38 Comparison: Evangelical vs. Oneness / Baptismal-Regeneration View

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If you want to be technical... Jesus was talking only to the apostles about the coming baptism of the Spirit... so if that's your fall-back position, then NOBODY else should be receiving the Spirit baptism... only the apostles.

You are picking and choosing which scriptures to reference, instead of taking ALL the scriptures, and harmonizing them...
Peter told the crowd to repent and be baptized (which was immersion in water) for the forgiveness of their sins, and if they did that, they would receive the Spirit as a gift from God.... THAT is the baptism (immersion) into the Spirit.. They happen at the same time. It's still one baptism, in water, just as John had been doing, but Jesus added the immersion into the Spirit at the same time...
"Were you baptized with John's baptism, or Jesus' baptism" there was a difference between the two.

The faith only crowd wants to conveniently overlook the fact that for a couple of thousand years, ALL believers knew the necessity of baptism... it took that long for folks to get smart enough to decide we really didn't need it at all.... smh....

PART TWO

What is the gospel/good tidings/good news? Acts 2:38 Repent & be baptized? Or, Christ died for your sins, was buried & rose on the 3dr day (1 Cor 15:1-4) For your justification (Rom 4:25)

Paul never says: justified by water, sealed by water, Spirit received through water, Spirit baptism = water baptism. In every one of his 13 epistles, Paul ties salvation & Spirit reception to faith & never to ritual.

Peter agrees with Paul & says: Everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins (Acts 10:43/Rom 10:13). NOT: Everyone who believes & is baptized, not everyone who completes water immersion.

And the very next verse proves it: The Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word (Acts 10:44). NOT on all who were baptized, NOT on all who entered water, NOT on all who completed a ritual. IT FELL ON THEM ALL WITHOUT WATER!

Now lets harmonize Acts 2:38 with Acts 10. You're treating Acts 2:38 as if it overrides: Acts 10 & 11, Rom 10, Eph 1) & all of Paul's repeated FAITH ALONE teaching. Peter's "everyone who believes" (acts 10:43), 1 Cor 12:13 (Spirit baptism by Christ, not water) & Paul not being sent to baptize (1 Cor 1:17)

That is not harmonizing Scripture — that is isolating one verse (Acts 2:38) & forcing all others to bow to it.

Real harmonization means Acts 2:38 must fit the pattern established by:
Acts 10:44 (Spirit before water), Acts 10:13 whoever believes, Acts 11 (Peter ties it to Pentecost), Eph 1:13 your heard, believed & were sealed with the H/S. Paul's repeated doctrine of justification by faith, Peter's own preaching of forgiveness through belief, Spirit baptism being Christ’s work, not a water ritual & Paul explicitly saying he was not sent to baptize (1 Cor 1:17). Acts 2:38 doesn't harmonize.

Jesus > not water > is the One who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 3:11 I baptize you with water but He who comes after me… He shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit. (John the Baptist makes the distinction unmistakable: his baptism = water; Christ's baptism = Spirit.)

Paul says there is only ONE saving baptism. Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism.

If there is only one, then we must ask: Which baptism does Scripture consistently present as saving, water or Spirit?

The interpretation you presented requires: water to give the Spirit, water to regenerate, water to perform what Scripture assigns to Christ & human administers to Spirit baptism. Yet, Acts 2:1-4 & Acts 10:44 the Spirit acred on it's own, NO water & no human agent.

So provided scripture harmonization gives us:
Acts 2 Spirit given without water
Acts 10, Spirit given at faith, before water, without water
Acts 11, Peter says the Spiritual baptism happened at Acts 2 Pentecost & Acts 10 Cornelius house BEFORE WATER!
Paul', repeated salvation & Spirit reception by faith alone
Peter, forgiveness given to "everyone who believes"
1 Cor 12:13, Spirit baptism performed by Christ, not by humans
Acts 2:38, must be interpreted in light of these, not against them

Additionally,
John 1:12 — “As many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name.
John 3:15 — “Whoever believes in Him may have eternal life.”
John 3:16 — “Whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.”
John 3:18 — “He who believes in Him is not condemned.”
John 3:36 — “He who believes in the Son has everlasting life.”
John 5:24 — “He who hears My word and believes… has everlasting life, and will not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.”
John 6:47 — “He who believes has everlasting life.”
John 7:38–39 — “He who believes… out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.” (This He spoke of the Spirit.)
John 10:26–28 — Those who believe are His sheep and receive eternal life.
John 11:25–26 — “He who believes in Me will live… Do you believe this?”
John 20:31 — “These are written so that you may believe… and that believing you may have life in His name.”
John’s salvation formula is always: Believe > Life Believe > Not condemned Believe > Eternal life Believe > Receive the Spirit. Exactly what Acts 10,11, Rom 10, Eph 1, 1 Cor 1 demonstrates

Matt 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
(NOTE: John the Baptist made clear that Christ would baptize with the Holy Spirit)

Eph 4:5One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
(NOTE: Translators capitalized Spirit to identify when referring the Holy Spirit. Only Christ can baptize with/in/by the Holy Spirit.)

Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision """made without hands""", in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
(NOTE: OT circumcision covenant done PHYSISIALLY/with human hands. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is a SPIRITUAL circumcision/new covenant done without hands)

Deut 30:6 (A) the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart

Now please show how your interpretation of Acts 2:38 harmonizes with Acts 10,11, Rom 10, Eph 1, 1 Cor 1. Where the Spirit is given at faith, before water & without water & with Paul, who repeatedly ties salvation and Spirit reception to faith alone & with Peter's Acts 2:21. If you can't you’re not harmonizing Scripture, you're overriding it.

If your interpretation requires water to do what Scripture assigns to Christ & His Spirit, then it cannot be harmonized with the Word of God.”
 
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. Acts 8:14-17
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. Acts 19:5-6

I gave you six examples in the post you replied to & many more in other posts in this threads. But you ignored all of them except this one. Fine, I’ll answer Acts 8. But before I do, you need to answer a question everyone keeps avoiding.

Acts 8 follows your Acts 2:38 = universal formula claim. Be baptized in water > Receive the Holy Spirit. Acts 8 They were baptized in water. Yet the Holy Spirit had fallen on NONE of them (v.16)

The question is WHY?
 
The ministry of Jesus Christ was most certainly one of water baptism for the remission of sins. It was in line with and overlapped the ministry of John the Baptist.


Water baptism & Spirit baptism are two distinct events.

One is a command for a physical act tied to the remission of sins.

The other is a metaphysical blessing promised after water baptism.

Lamar, you actually agreed with my point. Water baptism & Spirit baptism are 2 different categories with different administrators.

But your explanation contradicts Scripture. You said Jesus had a water baptism ministry "for remission of sins, yet Jn 4:1–2 explicitly says Jesus did not baptize with water.

John’s baptism was water; Jesus’ ministry was Spirit baptism (Matt 3:11; John 1:33).

You also said Spirit baptism is a metaphysical blessing promised AFTER water baptism.

But Acts gives multiple counterexamples:
Acts 2: 1-4 the Spirit fell before water baptism
Acts 8, they believed and were baptized, yet the Spirit had fallen on none of them
Acts 10, the Spirit fell before water baptism
Acts 19, the Spirit came after Paul laid hands, not after water

So your Acts 2:8 promoted sequence (water > Spirit) doesn’t match the biblical record.

The only consistent pattern in Scripture is this: Water baptism is performed by humans. Spirit baptism is performed by Jesus alone.

They are different categories with different administrators.
 
BillyBob, even if Jesus had baptized with water (He didn't!). That still has nothing to do with who actually baptizes with/by/in the Holy Spirit.

Water baptism & Spirit baptism are two different categories with different administrators.

Scripture explicitly identifies the Spirit‑baptizer:
Matt 3:11, He will baptize you in the Holy Spirit
Mark 1:8, He will baptize you in the Holy Spirit
Luke 3:16, He will baptize you in the Holy Spirit
John 1:33, He will baptize in the Holy Spirit
Acts 1:5, you will be baptized in the Holy Spirit
1 Cor 12:13, we were baptized in one Spirit into one body

In every Spirit baptism cited in scripture: Jesus ALONE is the baptizer, the Spirit is the element & no human hands are involved.

Jn 4 is a water‑baptism passage taking place before the Spirit was even given (Jn 7:39). It has no bearing on who performs Spirit baptism & only distracts from the core discussion > Spiritual (Holy) Spirit baptism.
then why does the scriptures say he did John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John, please explain this direct quote from scriptures. Once you figure out this you can understand better the scriptures that say the Spirit baptized

Water and spirit baptism is one and the same as John 3: 5 says and Paul explained it for you in Romans 6 the baptism of Acts 2:38 is a spiritual baptism as you read in Romans 6. how can you not see that God is spiritually transforming us from dead in sin to alive in Christ. It is not a physical work but a spiritual work of God. The scriptures make that clear.
 
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The ministry of Jesus Christ was most certainly one of water baptism for the remission of sins. It was in line with and overlapped the ministry of John the Baptist.


Water baptism & Spirit baptism are two distinct events.

One is a command for a physical act tied to the remission of sins.

The other is a metaphysical blessing promised after water baptism.
The thing is both happen at the time of baptism in Christ name Acts 2:38 / Romans 6:3ff
 
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@FlyingDove
Please show me where these are recorded for no scripture you have cited has said this.
@FlyingDove
Please show me where these are recorded for no scripture you have cited has said this.

Matt 3:11, He will baptize you in the Holy Spirit
Mark 1:8, He will baptize you in the Holy Spirit
Luke 3:16, He will baptize you in the Holy Spirit
John 1:33, He will baptize in the Holy Spirit
Acts 1:5, you will be baptized in the Holy Spirit

Eph 4:5One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
(NOTE: Translators capitalized Spirit to identify when referring the Holy Spirit. Only Christ can baptize with/in/by the Holy Spirit.)

Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision """made without hands""", in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
(NOTE: OT circumcision covenant done PHYSISIALLY/with human hands. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is a SPIRITUAL circumcision/new covenant done without hands)

Deut 30:6 (A) the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart
 
Matt 3:11, He will baptize you in the Holy Spirit
Mark 1:8, He will baptize you in the Holy Spirit
Luke 3:16, He will baptize you in the Holy Spirit
John 1:33, He will baptize in the Holy Spirit
Acts 1:5, you will be baptized in the Holy Spirit

Eph 4:5One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
(NOTE: Translators capitalized Spirit to identify when referring the Holy Spirit. Only Christ can baptize with/in/by the Holy Spirit.)

Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision """made without hands""", in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
(NOTE: OT circumcision covenant done PHYSISIALLY/with human hands. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is a SPIRITUAL circumcision/new covenant done without hands)

Deut 30:6 (A) the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart

You've been changing 1Cor2:13 from by to by/in to in and now back to by. Working something out?
 
You've been changing 1Cor2:13 from by to by/in to in and now back to by. Working something out?

Peter says what happens when we are filled with the Holy Ghost.

Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

JESUS says they shall speak with new tongues,

Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Acts 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God
. Then answered Peter,

Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.


HAS JESUS FILLED YOU with the Holy Ghost???
 
Matt 3:11, He will baptize you in the Holy Spirit
Mark 1:8, He will baptize you in the Holy Spirit
Luke 3:16, He will baptize you in the Holy Spirit
John 1:33, He will baptize in the Holy Spirit
Acts 1:5, you will be baptized in the Holy Spirit

Eph 4:5One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
(NOTE: Translators capitalized Spirit to identify when referring the Holy Spirit. Only Christ can baptize with/in/by the Holy Spirit.)

Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision """made without hands""", in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
(NOTE: OT circumcision covenant done PHYSISIALLY/with human hands. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is a SPIRITUAL circumcision/new covenant done without hands)

Deut 30:6 (A) the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart

Peter says what happens when we are filled with the Holy Ghost.

Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

JESUS says they shall speak with new tongues,

Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Acts 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God
. Then answered Peter,

Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.


HAS JESUS FILLED YOU with the Holy Ghost???
 
Peter says what happens when we are filled with the Holy Ghost.

Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

JESUS says they shall speak with new tongues,

Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Acts 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God
. Then answered Peter,

Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.


HAS JESUS FILLED YOU with the Holy Ghost???

I've already answered your question several times.

You keep repeating the same verses, but never answered any of the questions I've asked you.

Let's deal with the actual issue:
WHEN does Jesus baptize with the Holy Spirit? Before water or after water? With human hands or without hands?

Acts 2:1–4, Spirit baptism BEFORE any water
They were filled with the Holy Spirit & spoke in tongues BEFORE: any water baptism, any "in Jesus' name" formula & any human involvement.

Question 1: Were the apostles filled with the Holy Spirit before or after water baptism in Jesus name in Acts 2?

Acts 10:44–48, Spirit baptism BEFORE any water

You quoted the tongues part, but you skipped the timing:
The Spirit fell while Peter was still preaching (vs.44)
They spoke in tongues before water (vs.46–47)
Peter commands water after they already received the Spirit (vs.48)
Peter later explains God gave them the Spirit "when they believed" (Acts 15:7–9)

Question 2: Did Cornelius receive the Holy Spirit before or after water baptism?

Question 3: If he was saved before water, then how can water & "in Jesus' name" be part of the universal formula you keep promoting?

Question 4: Why does your reading of Acts 2:38 override Acts 10:44–48 & Acts 2:1–4. Both of which show the Spirit given before water baptism in Jesus name?

Tongues AND prophecy:
Acts 19 we see apostolic impartation of gifts. Yes they spoke with tongues AND prophesied! (vs.6).

Paul asks them: "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" (Acts 19:2). He does ask "when you were baptized in water.

Question 5: If tongues & prophecy in Acts 19 = salvation, then why did Paul ask if they received the Spirit when they believed & NOT "when they were baptized"?

He does not say "when you were baptized in water".

Answer my questions above - plainly > from Scripture & then I'll answer yours again.
 
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. Acts 8:14-17
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. Acts 19:5-6

I have some questions for you.

WHEN does Jesus baptize with the Holy Spirit? Before water or after water? With human hands or without hands?

Acts 2:1–4, Spirit baptism came BEFORE any water. They were filled with the Holy Spirit & spoke in tongues BEFORE: any water baptism, any "in Jesus' name" formula & any human involvement.

Question 1: Were the apostles filled with the Holy Spirit before or after water baptism in Jesus name in Acts 2?

Acts 10:44–48, Again scripture records Spirit baptism BEFORE any water of any in Jesus name formula.

The Spirit fell while Peter was still preaching (vs.44) They spoke in tongues BEFORE water (vs.46–47)

Peter commands water after they already received the Spirit (vs.48)

Peter later explains God gave them the Spirit "when they believed" (Acts 15:7–9)

Question 2: Did Cornelius receive the Holy Spirit before or after water baptism & why didn't he require invoking in Jesus name?

Question 3: If he was saved before water, then how can water & "in Jesus' name" be part of the universal formula people keep promoting?

Question 4: Why does f Acts 2:38 override Acts 10:44–48 & Acts 2:1–4. Both of which show the Spirit given before water & didn't he require invoking in Jesus name?

Answer my questions above - plainly > from Scripture & then I'll answer yours.
 
I've already answered your question several times.

You keep repeating the same verses, but never answered any of the questions I've asked you.

Let's deal with the actual issue:
WHEN does Jesus baptize with the Holy Spirit? Before water or after water? With human hands or without hands?

Acts 2:1–4, Spirit baptism BEFORE any water
They were filled with the Holy Spirit & spoke in tongues BEFORE: any water baptism, any "in Jesus' name" formula & any human involvement.

Question 1: Were the apostles filled with the Holy Spirit before or after water baptism in Jesus name in Acts 2?

Acts 10:44–48, Spirit baptism BEFORE any water

You quoted the tongues part, but you skipped the timing:
The Spirit fell while Peter was still preaching (vs.44)
They spoke in tongues before water (vs.46–47)
Peter commands water after they already received the Spirit (vs.48)
Peter later explains God gave them the Spirit "when they believed" (Acts 15:7–9)

Question 2: Did Cornelius receive the Holy Spirit before or after water baptism?

Question 3: If he was saved before water, then how can water & "in Jesus' name" be part of the universal formula you keep promoting?

Question 4: Why does your reading of Acts 2:38 override Acts 10:44–48 & Acts 2:1–4. Both of which show the Spirit given before water baptism in Jesus name?

Tongues AND prophecy:
Acts 19 we see apostolic impartation of gifts. Yes they spoke with tongues AND prophesied! (vs.6).

Paul asks them: "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" (Acts 19:2). He does ask "when you were baptized in water.

Question 5: If tongues & prophecy in Acts 19 = salvation, then why did Paul ask if they received the Spirit when they believed & NOT "when they were baptized"?

He does not say "when you were baptized in water".

Answer my questions above - plainly > from Scripture & then I'll answer yours again.

It took you longer to say "I've already answered your question several times."

Why not a YES OR NO??? Because I bet it's a NO.

Question 1, Before
2.Before
3. HE WAS NOT SAVED BEFORE BAPTISM, can't be saved without getting rid of your sins.
4. It does not override anything they all work together.
5. Because Paul know believing isn't enough and since they didn't he was trying to figure out why, so he asked them "how were you baptized"

How can anyone be saved without both? JESUS says we need both.

So has JESUS filled you like HE did HIS disciple's?

"NO"? How were you baptized?
 
It took you longer to say "I've already answered your question several times."

Why not a YES OR NO??? Because I bet it's a NO.

Question 1, Before
2.Before
3. HE WAS NOT SAVED BEFORE BAPTISM, can't be saved without getting rid of your sins.
4. It does not override anything they all work together.
5. Because Paul know believing isn't enough and since they didn't he was trying to figure out why, so he asked them "how were you baptized"

How can anyone be saved without both? JESUS says we need both.

So has JESUS filled you like HE did HIS disciple's?

"NO"? How were you baptized?

Here's how sin is removed:

Heb 9:22 (B) without shedding of blood is no remission.

Matt 26:28 Jesus said; “For this is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”

Rev 1:5, “He washed us from our sins in His own blood.”

Heb 4:14 “Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession.”

Heb 5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

Lev 16:21 Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:

The Old Covenant Pattern: Sin imputation by the High Priest.

Lev 16:21: Aaron the high priest (mediator between Gd & man) laid both hands on the sacrifice & confessed all the sins of the nation, imputing/transferring their sins onto the innocent substitute.

This was the foreshadow.

Jesus Is the Fulfillment:

Jesus is: “The mediator of the New Testament”, Our GREAT High Priest (Heb 4:14), The One who offered HIMSELF as the sacrifice (Matt 26:53) Jesus is the one who performs the real sin transfer/imputation.

When we trust in Jesus SACFRFICIAL SIN ATONING death & resurrection:

Our High Priest imputes ALL our sins onto Himself (Heb 10:10, 2 Cor 5:19, Rom 4:8, 11, 22–24) He forgives/pardons them ALL (Heb 10:10–18) & He imputes HIS righteousness onto us (2 Cor 5:21, James 2:23)

This is the New Covenant reality the Old Covenant only pictured.

Inescapable Conclusion: If water removes sin, then Jesus' blood does not & the tremendous price He paid is worthless.

Jesus Himself said: "My BLOOD is shed for the remission of sins." Your water baptism doctrine of sin removal doesn't just contradict Paul or Peter. It contradicts Jesus at the communion table.

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood.

The only thing that can remove sin from the soul. Is FAITH placed in the FINISHED sin atoning work of our great God & Savor, Jesus the Christ.

To whom be all praise, honor & glory. Amen & amen.