You got me there. I hope some molinist shows up and lets us know.
I do find the behind the scenes workings of God fascinating. Sometimes we will not know this time of eternity. In the kingdom it will all make sense.
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I do find the behind the scenes workings of God fascinating. Sometimes we will not know this time of eternity. In the kingdom it will all make sense.
lol I've never met one but it seems many people here are one without realising it
, interesting idea tho. I suppose you could argu that even with Gods moral law giving you a choice beforehand, you can still freely choose, but then I wonder if that was so what freedom are you listening to ?The Bible never mentions the words omniscient, omniscience, or all-knowing. So, there is no Biblical definition of those terms, nor any Biblical assertion that God has those that quality as you want to define it. If you disagree with me here, please cite a Bible verse that says God is omniscient/all-knowing and defines omniscience as you imagine it to be..
If the Bible does not assert that God is all-knowing and does not define all-knowing, we cannot make the claim that "If God is not omniscient (as you define omniscient) then He is not sovereign."
There is no other sovereign who is omniscient (as you define omniscient). But that does not disqualify any of them from being sovereign. So, that assertion of yours is manifestly illogical.
An omnipotent being is quite able to predict something and ensure it happens in detail by exercising his superior power, without needing to know every detail of the future.
That's a mighty small god you worship.
Mines much bigger to the point you can never back up enough to get an entire view. Yours is viewable from 10 miles away.
You are making a fallacious moralistic argument. You are demonstrating that you can't provide any scripture that describes God as omniscient (as you define it). Why are you projecting a characteristic onto God that scripture does not attribute to God?
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Blue155
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What about 1 John 3:20; Isaiah 46:9-11; Mt. 10:29-30; Ps. 139; Heb. 4:13?
I have demand resistance/refusal.
I refuse any demands....especially by wackanoodle posters on the internet who have a hostile demand and claims that refusing makes them correct.
I expect people to read scripture on their own and make up their own minds.
God knows the End from the Beginning!
As we walk forward God is working backwards in many scenarios which we see miracles take place.
That's not the definition of Middle Knowledge, that is the definition of Omniscient because God is Omnipresent in both the Past - Present - Future going front to back and End to Beginning.
As we walk forward God is working backwards in many scenarios which we see miracles take place.
That's not the definition of Middle Knowledge, that is the definition of Omniscient because God is Omnipresent in both the Past - Present - Future going front to back and End to Beginning.
Re "God did not give us a book of systematic theology": You can say that again!
And so we must employ systematic Bible study in order to figure out what He intends for the mish-mash approach to reveal!
Why? Because it is a test to see whether what we come up with qualifies us for heaven.
What does God know from the beginning? The End. We do to because we have scripture stating the end.
True, the bible defines God as perfect in knowledge. Perfect meaning complete, whole, not lacking. If it's knowledge to be known, God knows it. The number of hairs on one's head is knowledge to be known to God. The thoughts and intents of one's heart is knowledge to be known to God.
I don't know your Tomorrow or the tomorrow of the 8 billion people living but God does.
The Bible is less than 1% of everything to know on earth and in Heaven so you don't know squat.
This makes no sense, I don't think you get it. John was shown a vision of how the future was going to end, which means God was able to show him the future, which means all those people he saw the sea gave up, are people whom where changed by God knowing the future or they where not. Theres just no other way John could have been made to see the future if God can't look into the future, and theres just no way that God is just limited into showing the future just for that one off occasion. And it makes absolutely no sense that God being able to see the future wouldn't use his gift for many reasons, what he does his warn people in advance, one way he does that is to place his moral laws into your heart which are tied to the future, and warms you not to take bad actions like sinning when these moment arise, you'll hear a little voice saying don't do it.
by God knowing the future he can change it for anybody where by there not in a part of the vision John was made to see. And he can change the future of a person in many ways.
You would potentially be more persuasive, if you could cite a verse or two that say what you are asserting with such bravado. Where are we told that God knows our tomorrow?
I don't read scripture on my own. I am never on my own. I read the scripture with the Holy Spirit and trust the Holy Spirit to make up my mind about what God is revealing through them. He has not shown me anywhere in the Bible where it says God knows all our tomorrows. If you are making such a claim, the burden is on you to show where it says so in scripture. We would not be wise to simply take the word of men without them providing confirmation from scripture. can you confirm your claim from scripture. I'm asking in emulation of the Bereans, whom the Holy Spirit commended through Luke for checking Paul's teaching alongside scripture before deciding to believe or disbelieve him.
Not sure what God you serve but Mine made every day for me that I will ever live meaning He knows them all before I live them.
Psalm 139:16 ("in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me")
I related a vision I received where I saw distinct faces although I had only really offered a summary of it and hadn't gone into detail. At the time, I didn't know who any of them really were and wondered if I were looking at the faces of angels or saints. I.e. 'Is that Aaron? Is this Job or...? And this one certainly looks like a king, is it Saul? Solomon?... And what's this one's name? Todd?? I don't recall any saints or angels named Todd... and then "Todd" smile revealing a missing front tooth and I thought, "I certainly can't imagine angels have teeth missing..."
Then, shortly afterwards, I met "Todd," who had a whole set of teeth, but I didn't fully realize it was "that" Todd. That is, until shortly after when, after a long story short, he stumbled in and smiled...Somebody knew he was on his way, anyhow.
So you are using a logical fallacy and trying to Holy Spirit juke me all at the same time.
You ain't gaining any points....
No logic and wagging fingers of someone known on this forum. Not exactly a winning strategy.
Let's just stop with the "holier than thou" contest and somehow add proofs to your thesis.
I've got thousands of prophesy running thousands of years into the future as my proofs.
What you got?
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Because a common objection from critics is…"since God knows all, I wish I was never born if God knew I was going to be lost before he ever made the universe. Why would He allow someone like Hitler to be born, knowing he’d kill millions?”
Typically, the answer you will get from people who identify as followers of Jesus is knowing is not controlling or forcing (and that is true) but it doesn’t answer the question of “why?”