Israel.

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I didn't even talk about Mary. But I get it. Talk about anything but what is being discussed so you don't have to address your hate for the Jews before God. It's not like He will unsee that but okay....

Yeah i know you didn't talk about Mary, but I know you hate her because you don't venerate her. You're anti-Mary. You want to annihilate and destroy all images of her. Are you putting 2 + 2 together yet? I'm simply doing to you what you do to me.

 

[WiselyWoven]

Israel exists according to God's plan and purpose. That is the truth whether you like it or not.

The problem is that you don't know who/what Israel is.

And that is what replacement believers reject. You do know that the word "Christian" is not Biblical? It was coined by unbelievers in Antioch as an insult. So you should quit calling yourself Christian.

I have never called myself a Christian. Rather, I am a follower of Jesus Christ; you should be one, too.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I didn't even talk about Mary. But I get it. Talk about anything but what is being discussed so you don't have to address your hate for the Jews before God. It's not like He will unsee that but okay....

Words of wisdom for you to follow next time the devil tempts you to slander me and others for not venerating Israel like you do

you won't ever see me single him out and try to belittle him as you do. Instead we're to pray for him and encourage him toward living out sound doctrine. That's what we're suppose to do.

Galatians 6:1 Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Yeah i know you didn't talk about Mary, but I know you hate her because you don't venerate her. You're anti-Mary. You want to annihilate and destroy all images of her. Are you putting 2 + 2 together yet? I'm simply doing to you what you do to me.

Except it doesn't bother me like it's bothering you.

If you say that I hate Mary when it's not true, God isn't going to come after me. You on the other hand hate Jews which is true and you should be fearful what God will do to you eventually if you don't repent (no repentance, then no forgiveness), as God still loves them and is still involved in their well-being.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Except it doesn't bother me like it's bothering you.

If you say that I hate Mary when it's not true, God isn't going to come after me. You on the other hand hate Jews which is true and you should be fearful what God will do to you eventually if you don't repent (no repentance, then no forgiveness), as God still loves them and is still involved in their well-being.

You're such a hypocrite pretending you're a peacemaker, while spreading vile slander. See my previous post. It bothers me because you are disruptive to the peace and unity of the body of Christ. A tree is known by it's fruit, and your fruit is evil.

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

Before God could keep His promises to physical Israel, there had to be a restoration of the nation. Do you not know that God's promise to Abraham included land? In your view, all Christians should migrate to Israel. Do you not know that the book of Revelation is meaningless if Israel does not physically exist? Replacement theology may have made sense to some before 1948. However, Spurgeon believed that Jews should return to Israel. He was not alone, of course. As far back as the 17th century, some saw the restoration foretold in God's word. That was somewhat before Derby.

Does it matter? Yes. Why would believers pray for Israel and the Jews if they do not believe that God has a purpose for Israel? So the devil drives a wedge between believers. Israel survives and prospers in spite of 8 million Jews being surrounded by 400 million hostile Muslims. That's a miracle in itself.

A lot of Christians visit Israel to experience the place where Lord Jesus lived and ministered. Muslims seek to erase Jews and replace them with Muslims. Bethlehem is Muslim controlled and Christians are being driven out. Now that is the real replacement. Islam is replacing Christianity all over the world, including America.

Israel is a hindrance to that spread. There is a saying in the Middle East, "First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people." Iran's Muslims call Israel the Little Satan and America the Great Satan. Jihad has already come to America and much of the non-Muslim world. While Israel exists, Muslims are being shown that their pathetic god is no match for the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. If Israel falls (it won't), Muslims will be emboldened to take on the West. It's already invaded Europe and the UK. Muslim terror groups have stashed weapons in various places so that attacks can be launched like October 7th. Authorities have discovered some weapons. How many have not been found? Christians need to know that we are at war. The battle is fundamentally spiritual but the war is also kinetic. Praying for Israel and against Islam all over the world is self defence for believers.

You're saying what I thought one of you would say.If in May 14th 1948 Israel was born in a day makes you believe that this was a fulfilment of prophecy then, one,you believe that Israel is the son spoken of in the verse.Does Isreal bare the good fruits of the olive tree?
two:If May 14th 1948 was the nation born in a day, why did the prophecy just skip repentance altogether and of the breath of Holy Spirit wind?
You're suggesting that comes after?That's not what was prophesied.The nation built in a day was fulfilled at Pentecost.Read it,the son,Jesus Christ is referred to as a land and a nation.He is our inheritance through the Holy Spirit.
This spiritual Israel that some people keep hearing about but never believing fulfills the prophecy to a tee.This has nothing to do with "replacement theology" but is the fulfillment of God's word.

Romans 9:26-27
And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved.

 

[HeIsHere]

Yeah i know you didn't talk about Mary, but I know you hate her because you don't venerate her. You're anti-Mary. You want to annihilate and destroy all images of her. Are you putting 2 + 2 together yet? I'm simply doing to you what you do to me.

I have no idea why they think they can accuse someone of "hate" for revealing the facts and think it is warranted and justified.
Labeling "hate" the lamest, most lazy, most reductionist form of rebuttal.

M. Desmet (social/psychological theorist) has developed a theory >> mass formation psychosis.

Thanks to John Hagee and his many ilk, we have people here denying a gen**de because of pamphlets of warning sent down, as if that makes it all right, and yet it is well documented that the indigenous people of the land who moved were bombed where ever they went.

The observation that large groups can become hypnotized by a shared, often nonsensical, narrative leading to irrational behavior, a collective focus on a single cause, and aggressive suppression of dissent,
(Gemini)

In my experience it is not possible to be rational with people who are experiencing a psychotic episode, as in detached from reality.

 

[God-fearing]

Absolutely...Michael the arc angel

Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Dan 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

 

[Aaron56]

I have no idea why they think they can accuse someone of "hate" for revealing the facts and think it is warranted and justified.
Labeling "hate" the lamest, most lazy, most reductionist form of rebuttal.

M. Desmet (social/psychological theorist) has developed a theory >> mass formation psychosis.

Thanks to John Hagee and his many ilk, we have people here denying a gen**de because of pamphlets of warning sent down, as if that makes it all right, and yet it is well documented that the indigenous people of the land who moved were bombed where ever they went.

The observation that large groups can become hypnotized by a shared, often nonsensical, narrative leading to irrational behavior, a collective focus on a single cause, and aggressive suppression of dissent,
(Gemini)

In my experience it is not possible to be rational with people who are experiencing a psychotic episode, as in detached from reality.

My experience (including 23 years in Behavioral Health) tells me that where logic and reason break down there is either 1) an unspoken agenda or 2) spiritual forces of evil at work. Regarding 2) there is typically a good bit of emotion and defensiveness that manifests when people influenced by evil forces are pressed. The forced themselves cannot abide the truth so they leverage threats of danger against others who don't agree with them.

Just my 2¢.

 

[HeIsHere]

My experience (including 23 years in Behavioral Health) tells me that where logic and reason break down there is either 1) an unspoken agenda or 2) spiritual forces of evil at work. Regarding 2) there is typically a good bit of emotion and defensiveness that manifests when people influenced by evil forces are pressed. The forced themselves cannot abide the truth so they leverage threats of danger against others who don't agree with them.

Just my 2¢.

Absolutely agree, the sad part is we can see it so clearly, and they cannot.

I was listening to a Christian, who I think also makes a good point, when the mind is ideologically captured, it takes a crisis to break the strong hold, like hitting rock bottom in addictions.

Their entire eschatology is about to NOT happen, I sense that there will be many people in a state of crisis.

 

[brightfame52]

We know that the Church with the addition of the gentiles called, is Israel because God Identifies the call of the Gentiles as Israel Acts 15:16-17

16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

Notice " and all the Gentiles" upon whom my name is called". This could be rendered:

Upon whom my name is called - Who are called by my name, or who are regarded as my people.

Now who or what People are regarded as Gods People ? Ps 81:8

Hear, O my people, and I will testify unto thee: O Israel, if thou wilt hearken unto me;

Isa 1:3


The ox knoweth his owner, and the ass his master's crib: but Israel doth not know, my people doth not consider.

Jer 7:12

But go ye now unto my place which was in Shiloh, where I set my name at the first, and see what I did to it for the wickedness of my people Israel.

Jer 23:12

And I have seen folly in the prophets of Samaria; they prophesied in Baal, and caused my people Israel to err.

Who was the Prophet referring to here as Gods People

2 Chron 7:14

If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Is not this a reference to Israel? And so Israel and the Name of God are synonymous.

Jesus who is God is referred to as Israel in this prophecy Isa 49:3

3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.

So the calling of the gentiles as Gods People Rom 9:25


As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

Paul writing to the gentile church in Corinth wrote of them as believers 2 Cor 6:16

And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

So the Gentile Church is part of Israel, Gods chosen People, Called by His Name ! 14

 

[Caan]

My experience (including 23 years in Behavioral Health) tells me that where logic and reason break down there is either 1) an unspoken agenda or 2) spiritual forces of evil at work. Regarding 2) there is typically a good bit of emotion and defensiveness that manifests when people influenced by evil forces are pressed. The forced themselves cannot abide the truth so they leverage threats of danger against others who don't agree with them.

Just my 2¢.

? Behavioral Health?
I.e, You are a Christian Psychologist?

 

[Aaron56]

? Behavioral Health?
I.e, You are a Christian Psychologist?

For my first 16 years I was a Clinical Therapist. For the last chunk I was in administration and a CEO.

 

[Caan]

Aaron56,
So,
Believer In Jesus during Your 23 Years in the Behavioral Health field?
Thank You.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Their entire eschatology is about to NOT happen, I sense that there will be many people in a state of crisis.

The zionist cult has turned eschatology into soteriology. They are starting to call non-veneration of Israel blasphemy. A lady in a video posted here earlier by someone did just that, and Mike Huckabee said it on camera not long ago. We've seen the venom and hatred of people here who channel this spirit when their idol isn't worshiped.

 

[Beekeeper]

Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Dan 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

You know as well as I that none of God's blessings can be obtained by converting to Judaism.
When I suggested that you switch sides I never meant that you should stop caring for the Israelis.
It is good to care for people, but you should know that the course that their government is on now is not in their best interest.
I wish you understood that the true Israel is the kingdom of Jesus, not the evil political entity that has stolen the name.

 

[DeanM]

now for something really different

 

[DeanM]

Yeah i know you didn't talk about Mary, but I know you hate her because you don't venerate her. You're anti-Mary. You want to annihilate and destroy all images of her. Are you putting 2 + 2 together yet? I'm simply doing to you what you do to me.

Lol. So if you dont bow before the statue and chant the hail Mary you hate Mary? It seems to me its God who all through the OT hates idol worship.

 

[God-fearing]

You know as well as I that none of God's blessings can be obtained by converting to Judaism.
When I suggested that you switch sides I never meant that you should stop caring for the Israelis.
It is good to care for people, but you should know that the course that their government is on now is not in their best interest.
I wish you understood that the true Israel is the kingdom of Jesus, not the evil political entity that has stolen the name.

I wish you understood that there way of government was forced upon them. In the beginning Israel wanted to be a sovereign nation known as the Jewish nation. What happened post Hitler made this impossible. There's alot of history untold about this.
Stalin wanted to and did conquer half if not more of Europe as payback for freeing them of the nazis.
The churches in europe also gave a oath to socialism and fascism. Jews were further scattered and became out cast in many countries. Forbidden to enter.
Israel being a new nation also got confronted by this communist plot but refused. The U.S. proposed a solution of Israel becoming
A democracy country but yet sovereign in some respects. The iron curtain as it was called is the reason Israel became a democracy.
Lots of untold events post ww2 which needs to be looked at.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Lol. So if you dont bow before the statue and chant the hail Mary you hate Mary? It seems to me its God who all through the OT hates idol worship.

Now replace Mary with Israel and you will hopefully get my point. That's basically how a few minds here think. They're a small number, but they're vicious.