The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[rogerg]

Yes, read the context of Hebrews 7 and the law its speaking of and why it had to change. I was quoting Heb 8 which is the change of the New Covenant. Heb 7 is about the priesthood law changing becuase the law said it had to come from the tribe of Levi but Jesus came from the tribe of Judah.

If we are God's people and are in a covenant with Him which including's having His laws written in our hearts the promises of the covenant is beautiful.

The agreement changed, which is what a covenant means, but God promised He would not alter the words of His covenant Psa89:34 why the NC is established on better promises and still has the law of God written in our hearts Heb8:10, if we cooperate with Him

THE LAW WAS CLEARLY CHANGED. If it hadn't been, there would have been no need for a change in priesthood. If it was intended to be the ten commandments (or any other law) , then the claim of the forgiveness of sins for those under the New Covenant, by being under the New Covenant, could simply not have been correctly made. The laws of the New Covenant to be logically consistent, be in conformance with, and supportive of Heb 8:12

 

[SabbathBlessing]

THE LAW WAS CLEARLY CHANGED. If it hadn't been, there would have been no need for a change in priesthood. If it was intended to be the ten commandments (or any other law) , then the claim of the forgiveness of sins for those under the New Covenant, by being under the New Covenant, could simply not have been correctly made. The laws of the New Covenant to be logically consistant, had to be in conformance with and supportive of Heb 8:12

What Jesus predicted- to end the laws under the Levitical priesthood Deut 31:24-26 - animal sacrifices in the law of Moses Dan9:27 Heb10:1-10 and magnify another law placing His laws Exo20:6 in our hearts Heb8:10 what He promised not to alter Psa89:34 Exo34:28 Mat5:18-19

But believe as you wish, all will get sorted out in God's time.

Take care.

 

[rogerg]

What Jesus predicted- to end the laws under the Levitical priesthood Deut 31:24-26 - animal sacrifices in the law of Moses Dan9:27 Heb10:1-10 and magnify another law placing His laws Exo20:6 in our hearts Heb8:10 what He promised not to alter Psa89:34 Exo34:28 Mat5:18-19

But believe as you wish, all will get sorted out in God's time.

Take care.

Obviously, I disagree with that, but in any event, you did not state what the law of the New Covenant became for those under it to have their sins forgiven, and that is the critical point.

Take care.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Obviously, I disagree with that, but in any event, you did not state what the law of the New Covenant became for those under it to have their sins forgiven, and that is the critical point.

Take care.

And it tells us why Heb8:10

 

[memberofthebride]

We both agree there were dietary restrictions in the Mosaic law. We disagree on whether they are still in place today. Referencing the Mosaic law to argue whether there are current restrictions is changing the subject.

not so, I see it as additional facts introduced to further expand the subject in question

 

[rogerg]

And it tells us why Heb8:10

And the "my law" are the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus and other like laws, not the ten commandments or any other
earthly legalistic, performance-based laws. They can't be if sin is unilaterally forgiven by God for anyone placed under the New Covenant. The ten commandments and the unilateral forgiving of sin by God are incompatible - opposed to each other - both cannot be possible under the same covenant.

 

[NightTwister]

Yes, but they are still kept through Him. We can't keep them on our own, but we also have to love Him and cooperate with Him, He will not force them on us, why He said If.

John 14:15 If you love me, keep My commandments
John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

Which we will do because we were made spiritually alive and have the Holy Spirit to guide us.

 

[NightTwister]

not so, I see it as additional facts introduced to further expand the subject in question

Additional, unnecessary facts. You won't find in the OT if dietary restrictions were ended. You will, however, find that in the NT where I showed you.

 

[Dino246]

The change was the promises Heb8:6 where God placed His laws - from tablets of stone, to tablets of the heart 2Cor3:3 Heb8:10 the law is holy, just and good Rom7:12 and perfect Psa19:7 because the Holy Spirit of Truth wrote them.

Believe as you wish, all will get sorted out at His time.

Hebrews 8:6 doesn’t the change of the law at all, just the fact that there is a new covenant.

Hebrews 7:12 tells us clearly that there was a change of the law… and it says nothing about the “change of location”. In other words, you are either in error or in denial.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

You continue to miss the point. The meat is no longer unclean.

This just shows he has hardened his heart against what God said in the Bible. The Bible says if a person doesn't love truth. God will semd a strong delusion on that person so that they will believe the lie.

I don't know why someone would willingly reject what is plainly said in scripture!

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

In the beginning, God gave humans plants for food. “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed… and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food” (Genesis 1:29, NKJV). This was the first diet, given in a perfect world.
After the flood, the world was very different. Plants were fewer, the ground was damaged, and people needed more food to survive. That is when God said to Noah, “Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs” (Genesis 9:3, NKJV). This was a permission, not a statement that all food was equally good or holy.
But even before Moses, God already showed that not all animals were the same. Noah was told to take clean animals by sevens and unclean animals by twos (Genesis 7:2). This shows that the difference between clean and unclean existed long before the Law of Moses.
Later, when God formed Israel as a special people, He gave them clear food laws in Leviticus 11. These laws were not random. They were about holiness, health, and separation. God said, “You shall be holy; for I am holy” (Leviticus 11:44, NKJV). The food laws were part of teaching His people to live differently from the nations around them.
Jesus never said that God made a mistake by calling some animals unclean. He Himself said, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law” (Matthew 5:17, NKJV). When Jesus spoke about food, He focused on the heart, not on canceling God’s instructions (Matthew 15:18–20). He did not say unclean animals suddenly became clean.
So why did God allow meat at all? Because of human weakness and the fallen world. Just like God later allowed kings and divorce because of hard hearts, some permissions were given because of human need, not because they were the original ideal (Matthew 19:8).
In short, God allowed all animals for survival after the flood, but He still taught that not everything is equally good or holy. Permission is not the same as approval. God’s laws always move His people back toward life, order, and holiness.

People are taking issue because TMS is trying to discouage eating meat completely, disregarding that God had declared all food clean as recorded in His word.

There will come a time when we'll probabele just eat plants, but IN THIS AGE we're allowed to eat meat and i for one am and will enjoy it and TMS can't condemn me in any way for it.

 

[Inquisitor]

I do not say that the 10 commandments are the only law we need to obey

I explained why I believe many of the laws in the old testament. God does not change and His morals do not change.

Gods moral principle of not stealing or lying have not changed over time.

It was a sin to murder when Cain killed able and it is a sin to murder today.

The 10 commandments are moral laws written by God Himself. And those morals have not changed.

The law does not save us. JESUS SAVES us so we need to believe in Jesus for salvation. But faith in Jesus does not make the moral laws void.

You keep calling the commandments in the N.T the 'ten commandments', can you stop doing that.

Those Mt Sinai commandments are never called "moral" in the N.T, once again, don't do that.

Cain killed Abel because Cain did love his brother, see below.

1 John 3:11-12
For this is the message which you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another;
not as Cain, who was of the evil one and slew his brother. And for what reason did he slay him? Because
his deeds were evil, and his brother’s were righteous.

You are not under the law and the prophets and never were.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

People are taking issue because TMS is trying to discouage eating meat completely, disregarding that God had declared all food clean as recorded in His word.

There will come a time when we'll probabele just eat plants, but IN THIS AGE we're allowed to eat meat and i for one am and will enjoy it and TMS can't condemn me in any way for it.

Just curious how do you reconcile that all animals are clean to eat with what Jesus predicted He would say at His Second Coming

Isa 66:17 For behold, the Lord will come with fire
And with His chariots, like a whirlwind,
To render His anger with fury,
And His rebuke with flames of fire.
16 For by fire and by His sword
The Lord will judge all flesh;
And the slain of the Lord shall be many.
17 “Those who sanctify themselves and purify themselves,
To go to the gardens
[a]After an idol in the midst,
Eating swine’s flesh and the abomination and the mouse,
Shall [b]be consumed together,” says the Lord.

or


Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a loud voice, saying, “Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and has become a dwelling place of demons, a prison for every foul spirit, and a cage for every unclean and hated bird!

What Jesus is calling us out from

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.

 

[posthuman]

Which works did God rest from?

It is finished​

(John 19:30)​

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Just curious how do you reconcile that all animals are clean to eat with what Jesus predicted He would say at His Second Coming

Isa 66:17 For behold, the Lord will come with fire
And with His chariots, like a whirlwind,
To render His anger with fury,
And His rebuke with flames of fire.
16 For by fire and by His sword
The Lord will judge all flesh;
And the slain of the Lord shall be many.
17 “Those who sanctify themselves and purify themselves,
To go to the gardens
[a]After an idol in the midst,
Eating swine’s flesh and the abomination and the mouse,
Shall [b]be consumed together,” says the Lord.

or


Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a loud voice, saying, “Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and has become a dwelling place of demons, a prison for every foul spirit, and a cage for every unclean and hated bird!

What Jesus is calling us out from

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.

God declared all food clean in the NT age. So consumption of pork is acceptable to God. Also, i don't know about any unclean and hated birds (Like what? Carrion birds? Ew, who would want to eat them?) - I just know about chickens, turkeys, ducks, pheasants, and cornish hens, none of which are considered unclean and hated.

Don't worry about what others eat. But if you feel it is sin for you to eat them, then please don't. This is not something to argue about.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

God declared all food clean in the NT age. So consumption of pork is acceptable to God. Also, i don't know about any unclean and hated birds (Like what? Carrion birds? Ew, who would want to eat them?) - I just know about chickens, turkeys, ducks, pheasants, and cornish hens, none of which are considered unclean and hated.

Don't worry about what others eat. But if you feel it is sin for you to eat them, then please don't. This is not something to argue about.

That's not what I asked, but that's okay,

Be well.

 

[Inquisitor]

To GOD, they were not, all could join, if they did they were welcomed.

The scripture said the Gentiles were unclean.

The Jews were told to touch no unclean thing including the Gentiles.

The Bible, particularly in Deuteronomy 7:3-4 and Exodus 34:15-16, contains explicit commands from God
forbidding the Israelites from marrying people from surrounding Gentile nations (Canaanites, Hittites, etc.)
to prevent them from turning to idol worship and to maintain their distinct identity.

You seem to misunderstand what God said to the Jews.

 

[GWH]

Your version of it, which has Jesus teaching the opposite of what He said plainly Mat5:19-30 Mark7:7-13 Mat15:3-14

How does my understanding of GRFS per #1,410 have Jesus teaching the opposite of the Scriptures you cite?
Perhaps I need to amend something.

 

[posthuman]

It is finished​

(John 19:30)​

@SabbathBlessing

what work did JESUS OF NAZARETH finish and rest from, in John 19:30?

 

[posthuman]

It is finished​

(John 19:30)​

@vassal

what work did JESUS OF NAZARETH finish and rest from, in John 19:30?