The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[SabbathBlessing]

The jot and tittle refer to Jesus fulfilling the OC, whereupon the NT Gospel began with equally dire warnings for those who pervert it (John 8:42-44, Gal. 1:9, Heb. 10:19-31), so DON'T!

So just ignore what Jesus said plainly, so go ahead break the least of the commandments instead of not doing so as Jesus said plainly and ignore His warning of teachings others its okay to as well.

So Jesus failed at what Je came to magnify Isa 42:21

Mat 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled (Jesus comes in the clouds). Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
21 “You have heard that it was said to those [d]of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother [e]without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’[f] shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, [g]‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of [h]hell fire. 23 Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.
27 “You have heard that it was said [i]to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to [j]sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to [k]sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

I am going to stick with the council of Jesus. God will sort this out in His time.

 

[GWH]

No. Not under any law, period, with no qualifications to it. We cannot be under law and at the same time be under Christ in any sense or to any degree - they are diametrically opposed to each other - unreconcilable each with the other.
Jesus's commandment was to believe in Him as the Savior and love to the brethren, both of which are given by God to those saved when
saved as a gift (but not as a work of law).

Yes, and the Scriptural basis for this includes Rom. 8:1-4.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

No. Not under any law, period, with no qualifications to it. We cannot be under law and at the same time be under Christ in any sense or to any degree - they are diametrically opposed to each other - unreconcilable each with the other.
Jesus's commandment was to believe in Him as the Savior and love to the brethren, both of which are given by God to those saved when
saved as a gift (but not as a work of law).

Not under the law means not under the condemnation .i.e. curse of the law, the wages of sin is death Rom6:23 if one is in Christ there is no condemnation because one would be keeping God's law through His Spirit John14:15-18. Not that we should disobey the commandments of God as Paul said plainly keeping them is what matters 1 Cor7:19

Gal 5: 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: [d]adultery, [e]fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, [f]murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Yes, and the Scriptural basis for this includes Rom. 8:1-4.

Yes, in contrast to those who are not Rom 8:7-8

 

[Aaron56]

Right, they don't believe "Jesus spoke plainly" through the apostles.

This is their reality: God does not live through them. They justify themselves by a set of rules holding God accountable for their gains or losses. They would make great Muslims. Indeed, the same spirit that has entrapped the Muslims (that of the illegitimate child) has entrapped them, too.

 

[rogerg]

So just ignore what Jesus said plainly, so go ahead break the least of the commandments instead of not doing so as Jesus said plainly and ignore His warning of teachings others its okay to as well.

So Jesus failed at what Je came to magnify Isa 42:21

Mat 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled (Jesus comes in the clouds). Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
21 “You have heard that it was said to those [d]of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother [e]without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’[f] shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, [g]‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of [h]hell fire. 23 Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.
27 “You have heard that it was said [i]to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to [j]sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to [k]sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

I am going to stick with the council of Jesus. God will sort this out in His time.

You missed the part where Jesus that said He fulfilled the law. If Jesus is Savior (and He is), then by believing in Him as the Savior, we too have fulfilled the law.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

You missed the part where Jesus that said He fulfilled the law. If Jesus is Savior (and He is), then by believing in Him as the Savior, we too have fulfilled the law.

Yes, He fulfilled what He was predicted to do perfectly, put an end to one law as predicted Dan9:27 Heb10:1-15 and magnified another law Isa42:21 the one He said not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat5:19-30 the ones His saints keep until the very end Rev14:12

 

[GWH]

So just ignore what Jesus said plainly, so go ahead break the least of the commandments instead of not doing so as Jesus said plainly and ignore His warning of teachings others its okay to as well.

So Jesus failed at what Je came to magnify Isa 42:21

Mat 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled (Jesus comes in the clouds). Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
21 “You have heard that it was said to those [d]of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother [e]without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’[f] shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, [g]‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of [h]hell fire. 23 Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.
27 “You have heard that it was said [i]to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to [j]sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to [k]sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

I am going to stick with the council of Jesus. God will sort this out in His time.

You are sticking with your Judaizing cult and rejecting the council of Jesus per:
"The former regulation [Levitical law] is set aside... and Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant." (Heb. 7:11, 18a & 22b).
“A new commandment I give you: Love one another as I have loved you.” (John 13:34a)
"God has poured out His love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit he has given us." (Rom. 5:5)
"He who loves his fellow man has fulfilled the law/commandments." (Rom. 13:8b)

(Cf. Rom. 7:6, 8:1-4, Gal. 1:9.)

But yes, God will judge who satisfies His requirement for salvation,
and so we place our bets.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

You are sticking with your Judaizing cult and rejecting the council of Jesus per:
"The former regulation [Levitical law] is set aside... and Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant." (Heb. 7:11, 18a & 22b).
“A new commandment I give you: Love one another as I have loved you.” (John 13:34a)
"God has poured out His love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit he has given us." (Rom. 5:5)
"He who loves his fellow man has fulfilled the law/commandments." (Rom. 13:8b)

(Cf. Rom. 7:6, 8:1-4, Gal. 1:9.)

But yes, God will judge who satisfies His requirement for salvation,
and so we place our bets.

Same copy and paste that was already addressed. I guess we are just resorting to name-calling. The pattern repeats.

Take care

 

[GWH]

Yes, in contrast to those who are not Rom 8:7-8

And God's NT law/requirement aka GRFS is this:

The normative way of stating the kerygma/GRFS in the NT is “Accept Christ Jesus as Lord” (as in Acts 16:31, 2Cor. 4:5 & Col. 2:6). The main points of Christian orthodoxy implicit in this statement can be explained or elaborated as follows:

1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or Creator God (Deut. 6:4, John 3:16, 2Thes. 1:6), who loves sinful humanity (Rom. 5:6-8, John 3:16) and who is both able (2Tim. 1:12) and willing (1Tim. 2:3-4, Ezek. 33:11) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (Rom. 3:23, 2Tim. 3:2-4, Col. 3:5), miserable (Gal. 5:19-21), and hopeless (Eph. 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (Matt. 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (John 3:18, Rom. 2:5-11).
3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (John 3:16, Acts 16:30-31, Phil. 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (Rom. 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1Cor. 15:14-28).
4. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God’s grace or justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (Luke 2:11, John 14:6, Acts 16:31), at which moment God’s loving Holy Spirit of Christ indwells/baptizes the believer into the church (Rev. 3:20, Rom. 5:5, 1Cor. 12:13).
5. Loving Christ Jesus as Lord (Luke 2:11), God the Son (Matt. 16:16) or God in the human dimension (Col. 2:9) means reflecting divine love as empowered by the Holy Spirit, thereby obeying His command to love one another (Matt. 7:21, 22:37-40, John 13:35, Rom. 13:9)—forever (Matt. 10:22, Psa. 113:2), which will eventually achieve spiritual maturity on earth and heaven after Christ returns at God’s resurrection (John 14:6, 17&26, Rom. 8:6-17, Gal. 6:7-9, Eph. 1:13-14, Phil. 3:12-16, Heb. 10:36, 12:1, Jam. 1:2-4).

 

[rogerg]

Yes, He fulfilled what He was predicted to do perfectly, put an end to one law as predicted Dan9:27 Heb10:1-15 and magnified another law Isa42:21 the one He said not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat5:19-30 the ones His saints keep until the very end Rev14:12

By the New Covenant, this has become God's law - not the ten commandments nor any other law or commandment. It was also referred to in anticipation of it throughout the Old Testament.

[Rom 8:2 KJV] 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

 

[GWH]

Same copy and paste that was already addressed. I guess we are just resorting to name-calling. The pattern repeats.

Take care

Well, I resorted to explaining why Judaizing is heretical, because it contradicts the true Gospel,
but yes we are in a loop if you reject GRFS along the lines I shared in #1,410, which is why I said we place our bets.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

By the New Covenant, this has become God's law. It was also referred to in anticipation of it throughout the Old Testament.

[Rom 8:2 KJV] 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Amen, because

Rom 8:4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Which is.... John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Which is what the New Covenant is all about, having the law of God written in the NC beleivers hearts and keeping them based on what God will do, in His strength if we cooperate with Him.

Sadly, not everyone does

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Well, I resorted to explaining why Judaizing is heretical, because it contradicts the true Gospel,
but yes we are in a loop if you reject GRFS along the lines I shared in #1,410, which is why I said we place our bets.

Your version of it, which has Jesus teaching the opposite of what He said plainly Mat5:19-30 Mark7:7-13 Mat15:3-14

 

[rogerg]

Amen, because

Rom 8:4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Which is.... John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Which is what the New Covenant is all about, having the law of God written in the NC beleivers hearts and keeping them based on what God will do, in His strength if we cooperate with Him.

Sadly, not everyone does

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, and other like laws, were those written with the New Covenant, not the laws of the Old Covenant.
The righteous requirement of the law is to believe in Christ as the Savior, which belief is given as a gift to those saved.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, and other like laws, were those written with the New Covenant, not the laws of the Old Covenant.
The righteous requirement of the law is to believe in Christ as the Savior, which belief is given as a gift to those saved.

The New Covenant was established on better promises

Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.

Not on better laws that sadly everyone teaches that is not in our Bibles.

The New Covenant still has God's laws but written on a better location, our hearts, if we allow Him to

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

God already defined His laws, both spoken and written by Him personally Exo31:18 Deut4:13 Exo20:6

Why its still a sin to break them even in the NC

1 John3:4 4 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

God did not want anyone in the OT to sin and He does not want us to sin either, sin or breaking God's laws comes from another spirit 1 John3:8. God has done everything for mankind to help us overcome, He doesn't even make us keep His commandments on our own John14:15-18 if we go to Him and ask His help in overcoming and help keeping them, He will help us what the NC is about what He will do, the better promises, but sadly many love their sins more than their love for Jesus John3:19-21 Rom8:7-8

 

[rogerg]

Not on better laws that sadly everyone teaches that is not in our Bibles.

It IS very much in our Bibles, and undeniable. Several other posters have included these verses in this thread which declare exactly that the law has been changed.

[Heb 7:11-20 KJV]
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need [was there] that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For [it is] evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
17 For he testifieth, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope [did]; by the which we draw nigh unto God. 20 And inasmuch as not without an oath [he was made priest]:

Further, it would be a logical absurdity for the New Covenant to contain what is stated by the following verse but then include the ten commandments (or any other law) because the two would directly be in conflict and contradiction to each other which would not be possible

[Heb 8:12-13 KJV]
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13 In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away.

 

[NightTwister]

Jesus said If you love me, keep My commandments and would not put anyone under a curse for doing what He says.

We love because he first loved us. -- I John 4:19 ESV. That's how we are able to keep his commandments, because He first loved us. It's not of us, but of Him.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

It IS very much in our Bibles, and undeniable. Several other posters have included these verses in this thread which declare exactly that the law has been changed.

[Heb 7:11-20 KJV]
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need [was there] that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For [it is] evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
17 For he testifieth, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope [did]; by the which we draw nigh unto God. 20 And inasmuch as not without an oath [he was made priest]:

Further, it would be a logical absurdity for the New Covenant to contain what is stated by the following verse but then include the ten commandments (or any other law) because the two would directly be in conflict and contradiction to each other which would not be possible

[Heb 8:12-13 KJV]
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13 In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away.

Yes, read the context of Hebrews 7 and the law its speaking of and why it had to change. I was quoting Heb 8 which is the change of the New Covenant. Heb 7 is about the priesthood law changing because the law said it had to come from the tribe of Levi but Jesus came from the tribe of Judah. In order for Jesus to be our High Priest the law of the priesthood had to change since he came from Judah and not Levi.

If we are God's people and are in a covenant with Him which including's having His laws written in our hearts the promises of the covenant is beautiful.

The agreement changed, which is what a covenant means, but God promised He would not alter the words of His covenant Psa89:34 why the NC is established on better promises and still has the law of God written in our hearts Heb8:10, if we cooperate with Him

 

[SabbathBlessing]

We love because he first loved us. -- I John 4:19 ESV. That's how we are able to keep his commandments, because He first loved us. It's not of us, but of Him.

Yes, but they are still kept through Him. We can't keep them on our own, but we also have to love Him and cooperate with Him, He will not force them on us, why He said If.

John 14:15 If you love me, keep My commandments
John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.