The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[vassal]

To the Jews the Gentiles were unclean.

To GOD, they were not, all could join, if they did they were welcomed.

 

[vassal]

This is hilarious. Peter called the law an unbearable yoke.

Calling this “hilarious” misses what Peter was actually saying. Peter did not say God’s law itself was unbearable. He was talking about a misuse of the law, not the law as God gave it.

The verse comes from the council in Jerusalem. Peter said,
“Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?” (Acts 15:10, KJV)

To understand this, we must ask a simple question. What yoke was being added?

Earlier in the chapter, it tells us clearly.
“Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved” (Acts 15:1, KJV).

The issue was salvation, not obedience. Some were saying Gentiles must become Jews and keep the full ritual system in order to be saved. That is the yoke Peter rejected.

Peter was not attacking God’s commandments. He was warning against turning the law into a system of earning salvation. That is why he continued by pointing to God’s grace, not by rejecting obedience.

Jesus Himself explained this same problem. He rebuked religious leaders who piled heavy rules on people.
“They bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders” (Matthew 23:4, KJV)

Notice, Jesus did not say God’s law was the burden. He said man-made additions and misuse of the law were the burden.

Jesus also said the opposite about God’s true yoke:
“Take my yoke upon you… For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light” (Matthew 11:29–30, KJV)

If God’s law were unbearable, Jesus would not speak this way. Jesus kept the commandments and taught others to do the same.
“Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 5:19, KJV)

Peter himself never taught lawlessness. Later he warned against twisting Scripture and living without restraint.
“As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God” (1 Peter 2:16, KJV)

So the claim fails for one simple reason.
Peter was rejecting legalism for salvation, not God’s law.
Jesus rejected the same thing.
Neither taught that obedience to God was a mistake.

The unbearable yoke was not God’s commandments.
The unbearable yoke was additions and misuse of the law by the pharisees, and trying to earn salvation through them.

 

[memberofthebride]

Jesus tells us to keep his commandments, the ten commandments. that is the core of the Gospel, repentance from sin and to follow him do you contest this?

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What is amazing to me is the fact Jesus Christ in over 1400 pages of HIS WORD tells us to Obey His Holy Law for our own good and Satan comes along, who hates and will never obey, convinces the 40,000, God's Holy Law is harsh and a burden..

Christ clearly tells us to live by every Word... and we refuse, its too hard, its too harsh, it is an unjust burden???

Does not make man look very smart -- does it?

 

[rogerg]

Did you know that the Ten Commandments is not the Levitical law but the Law of God that started before Moses- because its God's Laws and there is no beginning or ending with God. Why His Laws are clearly shown in heaven Rev15:5 Rev11:19

I find it perplexing that so many people relate the Ten Commandments as the law of Moses when the Law itself has nothing to do with Moses, but has everything to do with our relationship with God and one another. God’s name (not Moses) is in each one of these commandments and He takes ownership of them not just in the words itself, but He did not leave His holy and eternal Law to be written by man, God divinely wrote them Himself, not just once but twice. He wrote them in stone for its eternal nature and then He writes His laws in our heart 2Cor3:3 Heb 8:10 The first 4 commandments show how to love God and the last 6 how we love our neighbor. Rom13:9 They cover so much more than people realize Psa 119:96 just as Jesus taught from this same unit Mat 5:19-30

Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying:
2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [a]bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

I personally do not see how Scripture could be clearer about whose Law is the Ten Commandments and Moses the creation and servant of God, is not God the Creator of everything Exo 20:11. Moses own testimony said the Ten Commandments is God’s work not his, so why do so many insist it’s the law of Moses so we no longer need to keep them when there is not one Scripture in context that says this.

Deu 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.


Deu 5:22 "These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.


The Ten Commandments is what sits under God’s mercy seat Exo 25:21. What He wrote and what He spoke, the words of the covenant Exo 34:28 that He promised not to alter Psa 89:34 as it is revealed in heaven Heb 8:1-5 Rev 15:5 Rev 11:18-19. This is God’s authority that no one can change a jot or tittle, as it is what all man will be Judged by James 2:11 Rev 22:15. We have a righteous and loving God, He would not judge us without telling us how He will judge us and He did so in the most awesome way.

It seems many people have followed the traditions of the churches over the commandments of God. Jesus addressed this who is God made flesh and wrote the Ten Commandments…

Jesus never taught us not to keep the Law of God, He taught the opposite.

Mar 7:7 AND IN VAIN THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN.'

Mar 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God (meaning not for me) , you hold the tradition of men

I believe we are living in the last days before Jesus comes in the clouds. Are there any commandments of God we are laying aside and instead following popular traditions? Breaking God’s law is sin 1 John 3:4 We have time to change our ways today, but we do not know what tomorrow brings.

Heb 3:7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,
In the day of trial in the wilderness,
9 Where your fathers tested Me, tried Me,
And saw My works forty years.
10 Therefore I was angry with that generation,
And said, ‘They always go astray in their heart,
And they have not known My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”

12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; 13 but [b]exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, 15 while it is said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”

16 For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses? 17 Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? 18 And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? 19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.


Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

[1Jo 3:23-24 KJV] 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

 

[Dino246]

You are not acknowledging the difference between the laws.. I do acknowledge that the old covenant was replaced by the better new covenant.

Many of the laws were nailed to the cross and came to an end at the cross.

But you put all the laws together and say they all changed...

If you read the verses that are referring to the 10 commandments there is no doubt that they are not removed or changed.

Jesus said to keep the commandments knowing He was about to shed His blood.

Paul said the law (ten commandments) is holy, just and Good.

James said the ten commandments are the law of liberty.

If it was removed, made void or changed why is it referred to in the new Testament as something we should keep.

The covenant was not the 10 commandments.. it was The agreement between the people and God.

The first was faulty.. God gave the 10 commandments, and God does not do anything faulty. Did God give faulty laws?

Dodge. Answer the question:

Do you acknowledge that the law was changed, as Scripture states?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Calling this “hilarious” misses what Peter was actually saying. Peter did not say God’s law itself was unbearable. He was talking about a misuse of the law, not the law as God gave it.

The verse comes from the council in Jerusalem. Peter said,
“Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?” (Acts 15:10, KJV)

To understand this, we must ask a simple question. What yoke was being added?

Earlier in the chapter, it tells us clearly.
“Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved” (Acts 15:1, KJV).

The issue was salvation, not obedience. Some were saying Gentiles must become Jews and keep the full ritual system in order to be saved. That is the yoke Peter rejected.

Peter was not attacking God’s commandments. He was warning against turning the law into a system of earning salvation. That is why he continued by pointing to God’s grace, not by rejecting obedience.

Jesus Himself explained this same problem. He rebuked religious leaders who piled heavy rules on people.
“They bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders” (Matthew 23:4, KJV)

Notice, Jesus did not say God’s law was the burden. He said man-made additions and misuse of the law were the burden.

Jesus also said the opposite about God’s true yoke:
“Take my yoke upon you… For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light” (Matthew 11:29–30, KJV)

If God’s law were unbearable, Jesus would not speak this way. Jesus kept the commandments and taught others to do the same.
“Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 5:19, KJV)

Peter himself never taught lawlessness. Later he warned against twisting Scripture and living without restraint.
“As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God” (1 Peter 2:16, KJV)

So the claim fails for one simple reason.
Peter was rejecting legalism for salvation, not God’s law.
Jesus rejected the same thing.
Neither taught that obedience to God was a mistake.

The unbearable yoke was not God’s commandments.
The unbearable yoke was additions and misuse of the law by the pharisees, and trying to earn salvation through them.

You're making a mistake conflating what Peter said with what Jesus said. The pharisees were telling gentile believers that they had to observe the whole law of Moses to be saved.

And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved. Acts 15:1​

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But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. Acts 15:5​

Paul called those individuals who were trying to bring gentiles into bondage false brethren and cursed them

And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage: Galatians 2:4​

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I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:6-9​

 

[Dino246]

In the beginning, God gave humans plants for food. “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed… and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food” (Genesis 1:29, NKJV). This was the first diet, given in a perfect world.
After the flood, the world was very different. Plants were fewer, the ground was damaged, and people needed more food to survive. That is when God said to Noah, “Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs” (Genesis 9:3, NKJV). This was a permission, not a statement that all food was equally good or holy.
But even before Moses, God already showed that not all animals were the same. Noah was told to take clean animals by sevens and unclean animals by twos (Genesis 7:2). This shows that the difference between clean and unclean existed long before the Law of Moses.
Later, when God formed Israel as a special people, He gave them clear food laws in Leviticus 11. These laws were not random. They were about holiness, health, and separation. God said, “You shall be holy; for I am holy” (Leviticus 11:44, NKJV). The food laws were part of teaching His people to live differently from the nations around them.
Jesus never said that God made a mistake by calling some animals unclean. He Himself said, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law” (Matthew 5:17, NKJV). When Jesus spoke about food, He focused on the heart, not on canceling God’s instructions (Matthew 15:18–20). He did not say unclean animals suddenly became clean.
So why did God allow meat at all? Because of human weakness and the fallen world. Just like God later allowed kings and divorce because of hard hearts, some permissions were given because of human need, not because they were the original ideal (Matthew 19:8).
In short, God allowed all animals for survival after the flood, but He still taught that not everything is equally good or holy. Permission is not the same as approval. God’s laws always move His people back toward life, order, and holiness.

Your twisting of God’s word is noted.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Believe in Him is coming to Him, hearing His sayings and doing them.

Luke 4:46 “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? 47 Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like: 48 He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, and could not shake it, for it was [j]founded on the rock. 49 But he who heard and did nothing is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently; and immediately it [k]fell. And the ruin of that house was great.”

 

[mailmandan]

Jesus tells us to keep his commandments, the ten commandments. that is the core of the Gospel, repentance from sin and to follow him do you contest this?

So, the gospel according to you is salvation by faith + keeping the ten commandments? Keep the ten commandments or perish? *How do you define "keep"? Perfectly obey? Salvation by faith + obeying the 10 commandments culminates in salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works.

Do you agree with this statement below? It was posted by a former member of Christian Chat who was an SDA.

The counterfeit Gospel is out there. What is the other Gospel? It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation. God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ.

That same SDA also believed that near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday. Do you believe that as well?

Bible Truth Versus SDA Doctrine - Mark of the Beast

 

[rogerg]

Believe in Him is coming to Him, hearing His sayings and doing them.

Luke 4:46 “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? 47 Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like: 48 He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, and could not shake it, for it was [j]founded on the rock. 49 But he who heard and did nothing is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently; and immediately it [k]fell. And the ruin of that house was great.”

No, you're adding your own unbiblical stipulations to it. There is no work associated to true belief. To believe in Him is the belief that the Father sent Him, and Him alone, as the only Savior. That belief is given as a gift of God; it is not by man.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

No, you're adding your own unbiblical stipulations to it. There is no work associated to true belief. To believe in Him is the belief that the Father sent Him, and Him alone, as the only Savior. That belief is given as a gift of God; it is not by man.

I quoted Jesus, they are His words.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

So, the gospel according to you is salvation by faith + keeping the ten commandments? Keep the ten commandments or perish? *How do you define "keep"? Perfectly obey? Salvation by faith + obeying the 10 commandments culminates in salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works.

Do you agree with this statement below? It was posted by a former member of Christian Chat who was an SDA.

The counterfeit Gospel is out there. What is the other Gospel? It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation. God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ.

That same SDA also believed that near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday. Do you believe that as well?

Bible Truth Versus SDA Doctrine - Mark of the Beast

Its not about "worshipping on Sunday" its about not obeying God. Rev14:11-12 Rev22:14

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Jesus tells us to keep his commandments, the ten commandments. that is the core of the Gospel, repentance from sin and to follow him do you contest this?

Why do Christians like the 10 commandments so much? IMO because they make them feel like they are righteous without having to do the hard work of being conformed into the image of Christ. Or perhaps because they don't have much faith

 

[rogerg]

This is Jesus speaking.

No. He is speaking about the RESULT of belief in that verse, and not of what belief is nor of what causes it. That verse pertains to result, not is.

 

[rogerg]

Jesus tells us to keep his commandments, the ten commandments. that is the core of the Gospel, repentance from sin and to follow him do you contest this?

Wrong. Christ alone is the core of the gospel and the salvation given through Him and not by any laws or commandments man must satisfy

[Psa 40:7 KJV] 7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book [it is] written of me,

 

[SabbathBlessing]

No. He is speaking about the RESULT of belief in that verse, and not of what belief is nor of what causes it. That verse pertains to result, not is.

So if its the result, why would what He says be of anything different. So not doing His sayings (teachings) would result in what Jesus said it would in this very passage.

 

[rogerg]

So if its the result, why would what He says be of anything different. So not doing His sayings (teachings) would result in what Jesus said it would in this very passage.

True belief it to believe in Him as the Savior sent by the Father to bring forth solely of Himself, salvation. Actions are works which result FROM that belief; it is not belief itself but belief's byproduct. They are two different things.

 

[NightTwister]

Come on, you can do better then that one!!!

Facts are red herrings ???? LOL

The red herring fallacy is changing the subject because you don't have an answer for the current subject.
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Red-Herring

 

[SabbathBlessing]

True belief it to believe in Him as the Savior sent by the Father to bring forth salvation. Actions are works which result FROM that belief; it is not belief itself but belief's byproduct. They are two different things.

Of course, our actions shows if our belief is genuine or not. Why Jesus said anyone can say Lord Lord....

Luke 4:46 “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? 47 Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like: 48 He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, and could not shake it, for it was [j]founded on the rock. 49 But he who heard and did nothing is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently; and immediately it [k]fell. And the ruin of that house was great.”

Its like a father telling their child do not touch the stove, its hot and will burn you. Does the child believe the father when he hears, listens and follows, or say, you know I don't believe you I am going to touch the stove and see for myself.

 

[mailmandan]

Its not about "worshipping on Sunday" its about not obeying God. Rev14:11-12 Rev22:14

So, worshipping on Sunday instead of Saturday is not obeying God?