Did it happen literally and physically?

[Just_A__Follower]

Precious friend, I believe I have "done my due diligence" and am ready for The Bema Seat
Judgment Where I will humbly "give account" for my own decision in the matter.

My study shows that the apocrypha is Very lacking in Inspired Phrases like: "Thus Saith The
Lord" and similar. There are also things written that Plainly Contradict The Authorized Version.

Thus I believe these are the sufficient reasons the KJV translators "left them Out!"

Amen, and Grace and Peace...

But the translators originally included the apocrypha. They were later removed.

Would it not be safe to assume that the original translators maybe missed the disagreements due to their lack of experience in the languages? If so one would assume that 400 years later we have even more knowledge and experience in the languages.

Or possibly that they missed them due to their interpretations being different than later translators? If so one would assume that everyone coming to the same conclusion would be virtually impossible due to everyone having different interpretations.

“done my due diligence” I believe I will never be there in this life. I will never be ready for that seat. I know nothing and believe I will never know anything as it is impossible to do so in this life. I pray that I never stop trying to grow in knowledge, wisdom, and strength with hope that I never settle for anything less than perfection but also knowing that I will never reach it. I find joy in the struggles of the journey.

 

[4urenlightment]

So you really have to believe every word of the Bible as what literally happened to believe the rest. I find it easy to believe some of the stories are literal and some are metaphorical. There’s no proof that the Grand Canyon was caused by the flood. Also if the ice in Antarctica is made from layers of ices formed over millions of years, not from a single flood. We can’t simply deny physical evidence and science to make our interpretation of the Bible fit the world we see today. We also have to remember that the stories, especially in the old testament, were passed down orally for thousands of years before actually written down.

Do I believe the flood happen? Definitely. There’s stories in every culture around the world of a flood with a single family surviving. Did all those stories come from the same flood? Most likely yes and details changed over time like most stories that are passed down orally.

I believe that the earth was small before the flood. That there was a water layer underneath the earth crust. And then it started to rain that it had soften the earth crust causes the earth crust to collapse and springs of geysers burst upwards that cause the surface to sink into the water beneath. And then later, the collapsed earth surface started to rise, being push upward by underwater volcanoes. And it kept on growing creating mountains ranges and islands.
There's volcanic activity in Antarctica, that there's coal fields and mountains of coal, that coal can only be created by volcanic activity from the hot lava layer beneath us.
That they have found fossils of mammals and dinosaurs and tree stumps in Antarctica that shows that it had sustained life at one time.

i think that it was Iceland or Greenland that was once an underwater volcano

 

[Godsgood]

Again, none of this suggests that the events were "only" spiritual (whatever that is supposed to mean). Try reading these verses in a modern translation to get a modern understanding of the concepts instead of a 500-year-old version.

God knows which version showing the truth. It doesn't mean a 500 year old versiion is not showing the truth.
In fact The King James version 1611 showed the truth because it is neutral.

Once the recognition to Jesus is a recognition from the Father.
God the Father will reveal whic is the correct version among the bible today.

One example is 1 TIMOTHY 3:16. It is the King James version 1611 wrote what is the truth.
1 TIMOTHY 3:16
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

You may compare to other bible version.

 

[Tex_MidwesternerNW]

GENESIS 6:13-22
13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.

15 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.

16 A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it.

17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

18 But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.

19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.

20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.

21 And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.

22 Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.

Yes, Noah's Ark was a literal and physical shelter for livestock animals on the Flood. Consider:

Then God told Noah and his sons, "I hereby confirm my covenant with you and your descendants, and with all the animals that were on the boat with you -- the birds, the livestock, and the wild animals -- every living creature on earth. Yes, I am confirming my covenant with you. Never again will floodwaters kill all living creatures; never again will a flood destroy the earth." Then God said, "I am giving you a sign of my covenant with you and with all living creatures, for all generations to come. I have placed my rainbow in the clouds. It is the sign of my covenant with you and with all the earth. When I send clouds over the earth, the rainbow will appear in the clouds, and I will remember my covenant with you and with all living creatures. Never again will the floodwaters destroy all life. When I see the rainbow in the clouds, I will remember the eternal covenant between God and every living creature on earth." Then God said to Noah, "Yes, this rainbow is the sign of the covenant I am confirming with all the creatures on earth." (Genesis 9:1-17 NLT, Tyndale House)

In mythological analysis, there is a function to storytelling called discrete information. This is almost always associated with the Deluge, which is critical to every anthropological study of mythology in a global sense. We know there was a great flood, and we know from discrete analysis of the Flood myth in Genesis as being reliably connected to God's covenant (do not taste raw blood, slaughter violent animals, punish murder with death)

 

[Jim62]

If it did happen literally and physically. I have some questions on how Noah's family together with the animals on how they survived the great deluge.

Such as, I can't imagine an ark in the middle of the great deluge without an engine.

How do Noah's family together with the animals preserve their food and water to drink considering it took 10 month before the water decreased (Gen 8:5)?

How do they cook their food?

The entire flood was an act of God their survival in the ark was also an act of God. Never doubt what God can do. Check out a video on Tubi TV called the Ark and the Darkness. It's a very interesting watch and may help you with your doubts.

 

[lrs68]

Just taking the simple words that explain the flood in Genesis like water being released from underneath the surface of the earth, raining from the sky for 40 days and nights, examining the shape of the Ark Itself, gives you enough detail to realize that as the water burst from underneath like gigantic gushers + the constant motion of the rain downpour is easy to see how the Grand Canyon was carved out, how we're finding seashells at 15,000 feet on the peaks of mountains, how were finding fossils of sudden death without warning still trapped in motion of the activity they were doing when the landslide immediately buried them alive.

But to add a cherry to the top layer there's recorded records from almost every Civilization and Culture about an ancient flood within the historical traditions. From the ancient Asian peoples to Inca's and Mayans to the United States own Native American peoples about either ancient Giants and the sudden flood drowning them.

In the 80s I watched how Mt. St. Helens erupted and just perfectly carved out rivines and valleys still existing today and immediately felt like God was saying that is what the flood did but on a greater scale.

My answer is Yes, I absolutely believe that the flood happened. Even God in the flesh referenced it as a warning for the coming Great Tribulation. He confirmed His Own actions.

 

[Godsgood]

The entire flood was an act of God their survival in the ark was also an act of God. Never doubt what God can do. Check out a video on Tubi TV called the Ark and the Darkness. It's a very interesting watch and may help you with your doubts.

God gave the human a freewill.

Also God gave the nature a freewill too.

This why God never interfere or in control of Human and Nature freewill.

The evidence are seen in our generation.
Any calamities cause by nature such as Storms, Hurricanes, Earthquakes, Tsunamies etc God never control them.

 

[Godsgood]

Yes, Noah's Ark was a literal and physical shelter for livestock animals on the Flood. Consider:

Then God told Noah and his sons, "I hereby confirm my covenant with you and your descendants, and with all the animals that were on the boat with you -- the birds, the livestock, and the wild animals -- every living creature on earth. Yes, I am confirming my covenant with you. Never again will floodwaters kill all living creatures; never again will a flood destroy the earth." Then God said, "I am giving you a sign of my covenant with you and with all living creatures, for all generations to come. I have placed my rainbow in the clouds. It is the sign of my covenant with you and with all the earth. When I send clouds over the earth, the rainbow will appear in the clouds, and I will remember my covenant with you and with all living creatures. Never again will the floodwaters destroy all life. When I see the rainbow in the clouds, I will remember the eternal covenant between God and every living creature on earth." Then God said to Noah, "Yes, this rainbow is the sign of the covenant I am confirming with all the creatures on earth." (Genesis 9:1-17 NLT, Tyndale House)

In mythological analysis, there is a function to storytelling called discrete information. This is almost always associated with the Deluge, which is critical to every anthropological study of mythology in a global sense. We know there was a great flood, and we know from discrete analysis of the Flood myth in Genesis as being reliably connected to God's covenant (do not taste raw blood, slaughter violent animals, punish murder with death)

If it happened literal physical, it is against the science and against the nature.

 

[DavidLamb]

God gave the human a freewill.

Also God gave the nature a freewill too.

This why God never interfere or in control of Human and Nature freewill.

The evidence are seen in our generation.
Any calamities cause by nature such as Storms, Hurricanes, Earthquakes, Tsunamies etc God never control them.

What do you mean, I wonder, by nature having free will? Surely you don't mean that the rain decides for itself when to fall, that the wind decides for itself when to blow, that a seed makes a conscious decision to germinate?

 

[Tex_MidwesternerNW]

If it happened literal physical, it is against the science and against the nature.

No, scientific understanding cannot be clear here, since the Flood is unmistakably fact, and Scripture is reliable in remembering the names of the descendants of Noah

 

[Godsgood]

What do you mean, I wonder, by nature having free will? Surely you don't mean that the rain decides for itself when to fall, that the wind decides for itself when to blow, that a seed makes a conscious decision to germinate?

The nature has been given a freewill by God.
Means Science has always an answer on what is happening in our nature such as why we have rains, where does the rain came from, how storm/cyclone/hurricane form.
Where does the flood goes.

 

[Dino246]

The nature has been given a freewill by God.
Means Science has always an answer on what is happening in our nature such as why we have rains, where does the rain came from, how storm/cyclone/hurricane form.
Where does the flood goes.

Please stop displaying your ignorance. Do some research. Spend a couple hours on YouTube. Learn instead of pretending that you know.

 

[GWH]

GENESIS 6:13-22
13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.

15 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.

16 A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it.

17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

18 But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.

19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.

20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.

21 And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.

22 Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.

There is evidence that every mountain was once below sea level,
but the purpose of the story of Noah is teaching that God literally rescues believers from ultimate death/hell
aka reaping the just result of evil behavior. IOW, the story of Jesus (NT) explains the meaning of the story of Noah (Gen. 6-9).

 

[DavidLamb]

The nature has been given a freewill by God.
Means Science has always an answer on what is happening in our nature such as why we have rains, where does the rain came from, how storm/cyclone/hurricane form.
Where does the flood goes.

Most of nature doesn't have a will at all, free or otherwise. How does a tree exercise its will? How does the moon decide that it wants to shine? How does the air decide that it wants to move, and make windy weather?

 

[Godsgood]

Please stop displaying your ignorance. Do some research. Spend a couple hours on YouTube. Learn instead of pretending that you know.

Please stop displaying your ignorance
For the benefit of the other readers.
I will share it again.

No matter what you say, but you can't stop in spreading the truth. Or else you are accusing the Lord Jesus as a liar.
LUKE 19:40
40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.


Do some research. Spend a couple hours on YouTube. Learn instead of pretending that you know
Even you spend the rest of your life by searching and studying. If you will not humble yourself to the Lord, what you gain is nothing.
2 TIMOTHY 3:7
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Look at the different groups in Christianity today. They study the holy bible within 5 to 10 years. After that they preach that God is a mystery.
JEREMIAH 4:22
22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.

But to humble oneself, in an instant God will never a mistery. And God is telling the truth.
JEREMIAH 31:34
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

HEBREWS 8:11-12
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no

 

[Dino246]

Please stop displaying your ignorance
For the benefit of the other readers.
I will share it again.

You just told everyone that you will share your ignorance again... for the benefit of other readers.

I assure you, your ignorance benefits no-one.

 

[Godsgood]

Most of nature doesn't have a will at all, free or otherwise. How does a tree exercise its will? How does the moon decide that it wants to shine? How does the air decide that it wants to move, and make windy weather?

How does a tree exercise its will? How does the moon decide that it wants to shine? How does the air decide that it wants to move, and make windy weather?
Let me emphasize once more.
What is happening literal physical in our environment today it is because nature has a freewill means science has certain answer in your questions.

But what happened in the times of Noah. Science could not answer it because the nature seems no freewill at all.

 

[Godsgood]

You just told everyone that you will share your ignorance again... for the benefit of other readers.

I assure you, your ignorance benefits no-one.

I assure you, your ignorance benefits no-one.
What you say is already said by the Scribes & Pharisees to Lord Jesus.
JOHN 10:20
20 And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?

The Lord Jesus is telling the truth that his words never pass away.
MATTHEW 24:35
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

And now it is you who is saying what the Scribes & Pharisees said in John 10:20

No one could stop you to speak evil. That is your freewill to do so.
As Jesus did not stop the Scribes & Pharisees to speak evil because it is their freewill to do it.

But no matter what, the truth always prevail.
MATTHEW 16:19
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

 

[Dino246]

I assure you, your ignorance benefits no-one.
What you say is already said by the Scribes & Pharisees to Lord Jesus.
JOHN 10:20
20 And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?

The Lord Jesus is telling the truth that his words never pass away.
MATTHEW 24:35
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

And now it is you who is saying what the Scribes & Pharisees said in John 10:20

No one could stop you to speak evil. That is your freewill to do so.
As Jesus did not stop the Scribes & Pharisees to speak evil because it is their freewill to do it.

But no matter what, the truth always prevail.
MATTHEW 16:19
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

I yawn in your general direction.

 

[Godsgood]

You just told everyone that you will share your ignorance again... for the benefit of other readers.

I assure you, your ignorance benefits no-one.

I yawn in your general direction.
As I said, you are free to do whatever you wanna do.

Remember, I'm here not to convince anybody to believe me.
I'm here to share the truth.
Yes, for me it is just enough to share the truth to the readers then I will let them to decide.

Look at what happened to the multitude when Jesus shared the truth..
JOHN 6:53
53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

Because they don't understand him this is what they said.
JOHN 6:60
60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?

What they heard to Lord Jesus is against in their belief this is what they did.
JOHN 6:66
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

Yes the entire multitude gone. It is the 12 apostles who stay.
JOHN 6:67
67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

For the Lord Jesus he did not fed the multitude so that they will be convinced to believe him.
It is enough to Lord Jesus to share what is the truth.