Works of the Law

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Soyeong said:
Multiple people can interpret the same verse differently, so it is generally good to include what you understand it to mean. I agree with the truth of those verses by find certain interpretations of them to be problematic because it would mean that Paul was a false prophet. A number of those verses are not even referring to the Mosaic Law. It is also important to recognize that Paul can speak against doing something for an incorrect reason without speaking against doing it for correct reasons, so speaking against obeying the Mosaic Law for the purpose of earning our salvation is not the same as speaking against obeying it for correct reasons.
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There is a way to use it lawfully or properly (1 Tim. 1:8-10; cf. Rom. 15:4) without using it for justification (Gal. 5:3-4; Acts 15). That’s why we are to rightfully divide (2 Tim. 2:15). Thanks for the discussion.
 
Solitude said:
Our Job from God is to expose the hidden darkness of the who refuse to believe the sound doctrine of Jesus Christ.
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From a lady named Luci:

“The Gospel teaches us principles of kindness, courtesy, and consideration. When defending the Truth in public social media, are we forgetting those passages, the words of Christ that call us to humility, gentleness, patience, compassion, tolerance, love, and mercy? Are we conducting ourselves worthy of the Gospel of Christ (Ephesians 4:1-3)? How are we going to win souls if we don't show Christ in us? There is a way to express the Truth and our convictions without being hostile. Our choice of words may communicate an attitude that contradicts the character of Christ and reflects on Him very poorly. When defending the Truth, we must exercise meekness and fear (I Peter 3:15). We are called to honor one another with respect and dignity, even when we differ. Remember that we must speak the Truth in love (Ephesians 4:15).

Let us examine our hearts, making sure that our teachings and defense of the TRUTH are done in love, showing patience and confidence yet kindly, not rude or arrogant. A true and faithful servant of the Lord is not quarrelsome but gentle, for he is patient when correcting those in opposition with all humility.

In 2 Timothy 2:24-25, Paul describes “a servant of the Lord” as one who “must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, “if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will."

May God help us to behave in a way that is worthy of His Gospel as we seek to defend it. May we approach those He brings into our path in the same graceful manner as He did with gentleness, humility, and a servant's heart.”
 
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vassal said:
is paul having all authority in heaven on on earth or is it Jesus?, all of you here so far have failed to understand this fact.

can anyone here find fault in what I wrote?
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Was the understanding of the apostles growing over time?

If their knowledge given by the Holy Spirit was increasing then the gospel message
and it's implications. Will over time become better defined and explained.

Paul is the only author in the N.T that both explains the gospel and tells us what the gospel was
(1 Corinthians 15) that he received.

Paul had the sole duty of delivering the gospel of Jesus Christ to the Gentile world.

Paul should be your first point of contact in the scripture.

Jesus speaks powerfully through the apostle Paul.

Paul explains almost everything in Christianity.
 
2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
That's true. If Noah just believed God but not build the ark, the Bible would have been only a few chapters long and none of us today would have existed.

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If Noah would have refused to build the ark, then he would have demonstrated that he did not believe God about flooding the earth, but of course, that was not the case.
 
mailmandan said:
If Noah would have refused to build the ark, then he would have demonstrated that he did not believe God about flooding the earth, but of course, that was not the case.
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Right, which means he believed God in what He said, which expressing His belief by having an obedient belief in the words of God. Thus, belief alone (without obedience) demonstrates what? Belief or unbelief?
 
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Soyeong said:
It is also important to recognize that Paul can speak against doing something for an incorrect reason without speaking against doing it for correct reasons, so speaking against obeying the Mosaic Law for the purpose of earning our salvation is not the same as speaking against obeying it for correct reasons.
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It's important to recognize that when we follow Christ, we can do the righteousness required by the letters of the 10 commandments apart from following the letters. The 10 describe what needs to happen; Christ shows how to make it happen.
 
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Inquisitor said:
Was the understanding of the apostles growing over time?

If their knowledge given by the Holy Spirit was increasing then the gospel message
and it's implications. Will over time become better defined and explained.

Paul is the only author in the N.T that both explains the gospel and tells us what the gospel was
(1 Corinthians 15) that he received.

Paul had the sole duty of delivering the gospel of Jesus Christ to the Gentile world.

Paul should be your first point of contact in the scripture.

Jesus speaks powerfully through the apostle Paul.

Paul explains almost everything in Christianity.
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Yes, the apostles’ understanding did grow over time, but it always grew from what Jesus already taught, not beyond it. Jesus promised the Holy Spirit would remind them of His words, not replace them.
Jesus said:
“He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.”
John 14:26 NKJV​
That means the Spirit clarified and strengthened their understanding. He did not introduce a different gospel.
The gospel itself was already preached by Jesus before Paul. Jesus spoke of His death, resurrection, repentance, forgiveness of sins, and obedience to God. After His resurrection, He commanded the apostles to teach everything He had taught them to all nations (Matthew 28:19–20).
Paul did explain the gospel clearly, especially to Gentiles, and his explanation in 1 Corinthians 15 is valuable. But Paul himself says the gospel he preached was received, not invented, and it agrees with what was already proclaimed.
Paul was not the only one sent to Gentiles. Peter preached to Cornelius in Acts 10 before Paul’s Gentile mission fully began, and James, John, and the other apostles affirmed the same gospel in Acts 15.
Paul is an important teacher, but he is not the first point of contact. Jesus is. Paul himself points us back to Christ, saying we are to be built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Jesus Christ Himself as the chief cornerstone(Ephesians 2:20).
Paul helps explain the faith, but Jesus defines it.
The Spirit does not move us away from Jesus’ words.
He moves us deeper into them.
 
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Blue155 said:
Right, which means he believed God in what He said, which expressing His belief by having an obedient belief in the words of God. Thus, belief alone (without obedience) demonstrates what? Belief or unbelief?
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Belief that produces no obedience at all would not be genuine belief, but a bare profession of belief or unbelief.

If the weatherman said a tornado was heading straight toward my neighborhood and I did not go to the basement and take shelter, I would demonstrate unbelief in what the weatherman said.

It's the same with Noah when God told him that He was going to flood the earth. Noah did not remain in unbelief and refuse to build the ark. Instead, Noah believed God and built the ark.
 
Dino246 said:
What "false doctrine", exactly, do you think I believe?
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If I tell you, you will just balk, so if you really want to know what is true doctrine or false ask God about it and go over everything you learned with Him whether each thing is true or not.

I do this too every so often.

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test?


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