The sarcasm comes because you either know your being obtuse on purpose or you don't really know but you want to pretend you do.
That's not the entire passage says is it? What does James actually say? What is this attempt number 5?
Works of the Law
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The sarcasm comes because you either know your being obtuse on purpose or you don't really know but you want to pretend you do.
That's not the entire passage says is it? What does James actually say? What is this attempt number 5?
James never says anyone is saved by works. Thats what YOU say thats not what James says. No one cares what YOU say.
These folks don't see very interested in reasoning through the scriptures and are exhibiting troll behavior.
These folks don't see very interested in reasoning through the scriptures and are exhibiting troll behavior.
And I don't see any reason to be polite to someone who purposely misrepresents what other people say. I still waiting for you to show where I made the claim that works save.
Let's not play games with life altering truths. Myself and a good many others in this forum have responded to you with that very information you pretend you seek.
Don't quote Jesus when you refuse to acknowledge his words at the Last Supper as the actual covenant we have for forgiveness of sins through His blood and the love of God in sending Him to die in our place.
You are anti-Paul which explains why you present an alernate view of scripture.
No. You specifically double down on your non-bibical view that works play a part in salvation. You fail to understand the nuances in what James is saying to your detriment.
Paul is part of Scripture not Scripture.
Jesus says this my body eat it, this is my blood drink it. Do you believe him?
Ah yes nuances. I love it. James says faith is brought to completion by works. Now you can disagree with my interpretation but to say my view is "non-biblical" is ignorant. It's in the Bible in blac and white. Undeniable except to all but the completely blind. Now the only reason you have to claim nuance is because the literal words contradict your narrative that faith alone is sufficient for salvation. If faith alone was sufficient it wouldn't need completion. My view doesn't require nuance it's just the words.
God knows. If you fancy the renderings of the op, then I fear you misunderstand that same sound doctrine you think is giving you a better understanding of what is going on here. It has been witnessed multiple times now, that vassal does not accept the letters of Paul and refuses to acknowledge that the blood Christ shed on our behalf, sinless before God, is the actual covenant.
These attempts at deleting what God has done through His Son, should I say it....are anti-Christ in their conception and have been around since Jesus arose from the dead.
Decide for yourself whether or not Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life or are you at the behest of anti-biblical messages that seek to deceive through long winded and complicated massaging of the scriptures to present another doctrine, another Jesus and another way of salvation.
You don't answer to me; but that does not release you from the truth that has been presented in several different threads by vassal; each one determined to turn people from Christ to law keeping in which there is no freedom or new life as has been promised to all those in Christ. You cannot be a part of the body of Christ if you are still hanging onto your flesh through law keeping
6 So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live your lives in him, 7 rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness.
8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.
9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority. 11 In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh was put off when you were circumcised by Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.
13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.
Colossians 2
Do you love it? Do you love Christ? Do you love the truth? From you posts I gather you love your own efforts at salvation and will not be caught without them.
And there we have it. Faith + my own works = salvation
Not a new gospel, but an old one that is not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ
Jesus says His blood is the new covenant.
Do you believe Him? cause he is dismissing the law for a NEW COVENANT for all who believe in Him. now tell us you think that means we believe we can sin like a boatload of pagan sailors on shore leave
I just read and heed the words in Scripture not what a rando on the Internet says. You need to show evidence that your understanding is authoritative. You said my view was "un-biblical". You didn't say wrong you said un-biblical. I proved you wrong. You abandoned the topic and wisely so to instead focus on me.
Multiple people can interpret the same verse differently, so it is generally good to include what you understand it to mean. I agree with the truth of those verses by find certain interpretations of them to be problematic because it would mean that Paul was a false prophet. A number of those verses are not even referring to the Mosaic Law. It is also important to recognize that Paul can speak against doing something for an incorrect reason without speaking against doing it for correct reasons, so speaking against obeying the Mosaic Law for the purpose of earning our salvation is not the same as speaking against obeying it for correct reasons.
No. However you did prove you entertain yourself with thoughts of being superior. Again, you don't answer to me. You do, however, answer to the One who has the authority to ask why you choose to go your own way and count your own efforts as the finishing touch to Jesus true works, in which He said: IT IS FINISHED.
How old are you? A person who seeks simply to prove others wrong without offering the reasons for it, cannot be very mature.
Go back and read about 100 pages of posts by myself and others wherein we have written reams of scripture to illustrate the error(s) concerning presenting the commandments as the covenant. If you can't be bothered, then you cannot be taken seriously. And yes your view is un-biblical which means not correct where it concerns truth from scripture.
Anyway, thats enough for a staunch keyboard warrior like yourself.