Works of the Law

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I do yes!

That's a hunk of malarkey as you have demonstrated in almost every one of your posts. You do NOT believe in the gospel of Jesus or you would not be brandishing the commandments and finally admitting that you do not count Paul's letters as inspired which means you do not believe Jesus met him and called him to be an Apostle to the Gentiles and you do not accept much of the teaching in the New Testament.

I cannot say what I would really like to say right now. It would not only raise eyebrows as it would be a departure from my usual attempts at being polite (with a touch of sarcasim or humor now and then) and I could either get a good talking to by a mod or even banned. Suffice it to say God knows what I would like to say and I do not think I would hesitate if we were face to face.

You reject Paul. You reject what he writes about Jesus. You think Paul had a different gospel than what you think Jesus had, but you also reject this:

27Then He took the cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29I tell you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in My Father’s kingdom.” Matthew 26

Jesus, at the last supper while knowing he was well on the way to being crucified, says the above words. You have consistently refused any consideration of those words and continue on your path of self grandisement by shoving the 10 commandments at everyone.

I suspect God is not amused and might rather think your offerings slanderous, as you constantly twist scripture and shove Jesus to the side with the commandments that are not the covenant.

It is both ridiculous and very pompous on your part, that you actually seem to think that your substitutionary keeping of the commandments (that no one has actually ever kept) is a pleasant aroma in God's nostrils. Actually, it stinks and God does not accept the self grandizing affliction you suffer from.

You will ignore this of course and that, is to your detriment. What you believe is not rare; there are a good number of unbiblical groups who believe as do you but I suspect you would really like to start your very own club.
 
Feel free to live in the confines of your limited understanding of scripture. I'll stick with the glorious liberty of the sons of God. And no, I do not use my liberty as a licence to sin. I have some knowledge of my power and authority in Christ and I exercised that when the circumstances require it. Demons are real and need to be cast out. The Bible calls us Ambassadors for Christ. We represent Him on earth right now. He has given us the power and authority that we need to overcome Satan, sin, self and the world. You do not have that authority and power because you do not believe it. Sad for you. Someone else has to carry the load that God has for you. They will also receive the rewards that God had for you.

Jesus told the twelve to make disciples, not spectators who watch while others get involved. No one hands out prizes to spectators.

Well he does reject most of the New Testament, so there's that. :unsure: He rejects God's plan of salvation and interjects his very own plan that is not salvation.

I think you know this, but it's important to say it every time because he is most definatley in the business of deception.
 
First "in context" usually leads to someone explaining why the words don't mean what they say. I never claimed we are saved by works. To say that i did is not ignorance it's stupidity. I also never claimed James said we are saved by work and verse 24 says exactly the opposite of that but you people hear the word "works" and you lose all ability to comprehend words.
Instead of sarcasm and insults why don't you just come straight out and tell us what you believe James meant by "justified by works" in James 2:24.
 
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Instead of sarcasm and insults why don't you just come straight out and tell us what you believe James meant by "justified by works" in James 2:24.
I Can you imagine your reaction come judgment day? When it comes to James , will you try to claim you were always illiterate?
JAMES MEANS WHAT JAMES SAYS!
 
2 Cor. 3:1 Do we begin again to commend ourselves? or need we, as some others, epistles of commendation to you, or letters of commendation from you?2 Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.4 ¶ And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.7 ¶ But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

Gal. 2:1 Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also.2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.3 But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage

Gal. 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal. 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.5 ¶ He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he itby the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Gal. 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Gal. 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

Eph. 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

Acts 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
In Deuteronomy 13, the way that God instructed to determine that someone is a false prophet who is not speaking for Him is if they speak against obeying His law, so it is either incorrect to interpret the verses that you quoted as speaking against obeying God’s law (my position) or he was a false prophet, but either way followers of Christ should follow his example of obedience to God’s law. If you think that Paul spoke against following what God has commanded and that God therefore spoke against following Paul, then you have a decision to make about who has the highest authority and which one you should follow. If you think that Paul was a true prophet, then you should be the first to object to interpreting the verses you quoted as speaking against obeying what God has commanded, and if you think that those verses should be interpreted as speaking against obeying what God has commanded, then you should object to considering Paul to be a true prophet, but Deuteronomy 13 does not leave room for someone to consider Paul to be a true prophet while also thinking that he should be interpreted as speaking against obeying what God has commanded.
 
I Can you imagine your reaction come judgment day? When it comes to James , will you try to claim you were always illiterate?
JAMES MEANS WHAT JAMES SAYS!
See post #49 and stop playing judge. Only the Lord is my judge.
 
Well he does reject most of the New Testament, so there's that. :unsure: He rejects God's plan of salvation and interjects his very own plan that is not salvation.

I think you know this, but it's important to say it every time because he is most definable in the business of deception.
what is your knowledge and plan for salvation, can you tell me at least? are the words of Jesus that I quote here on these threads deception? from what I know scripture says clearly his words are life and he Jesus is the light of the world
 
I asked you what part the Holy Spirit plays in your life and you did not answer. That's fine if you don't. That's your choice. I see you include how you think He operates in your life, but if He were actually illuminating the scripture to you, it would not be to tell you that works are included with salvation.

Works do come after salvation, when they do, but they are not a part of salvation and they do not keep you saved.

I SPECIFICALLY answered your question in my previous post to you.

They may come after but without the there is no salvation. They don't save you but James is clear, and I'll try AGAIN, You see then that a man is saved by works AND not by faith ALONE. Please try to keep up. Before this James says, faith was brought to completion by works. Sola fide is not sufficient for salvation. If it was it would not need completion by works. You understand what sufficient means don't you?!
 
In Deuteronomy 13, the way that God instructed to determine that someone is a false prophet who is not speaking for Him is if they speak against obeying His law, so it is either incorrect to interpret the verses that you quoted as speaking against obeying God’s law (my position) or he was a false prophet, but either way followers of Christ should follow his example of obedience to God’s law. If you think that Paul spoke against following what God has commanded and that God therefore spoke against following Paul, then you have a decision to make about who has the highest authority and which one you should follow. If you think that Paul was a true prophet, then you should be the first to object to interpreting the verses you quoted as speaking against obeying what God has commanded, and if you think that those verses should be interpreted as speaking against obeying what God has commanded, then you should object to considering Paul to be a true prophet, but Deuteronomy 13 does not leave room for someone to consider Paul to be a true prophet while also thinking that he should be interpreted as speaking against obeying what God has commanded.
I simply gave scripture. It says what it says. Paul was speaking against following the mosaic law in order to be saved.
 
That's a hunk of malarkey as you have demonstrated in almost every one of your posts. You do NOT believe in the gospel of Jesus or you would not be brandishing the commandments and finally admitting that you do not count Paul's letters as inspired which means you do not believe Jesus met him and called him to be an Apostle to the Gentiles and you do not accept much of the teaching in the New Testament.

I cannot say what I would really like to say right now. It would not only raise eyebrows as it would be a departure from my usual attempts at being polite (with a touch of sarcasim or humor now and then) and I could either get a good talking to by a mod or even banned. Suffice it to say God knows what I would like to say and I do not think I would hesitate if we were face to face.

You reject Paul. You reject what he writes about Jesus. You think Paul had a different gospel than what you think Jesus had, but you also reject this:

27Then He took the cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29I tell you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in My Father’s kingdom.” Matthew 26

Jesus, at the last supper while knowing he was well on the way to being crucified, says the above words. You have consistently refused any consideration of those words and continue on your path of self grandisement by shoving the 10 commandments at everyone.

I suspect God is not amused and might rather think your offerings slanderous, as you constantly twist scripture and shove Jesus to the side with the commandments that are not the covenant.

It is both ridiculous and very pompous on your part, that you actually seem to think that your substitutionary keeping of the commandments (that no one has actually ever kept) is a pleasant aroma in God's nostrils. Actually, it stinks and God does not accept the self grandizing affliction you suffer from.

You will ignore this of course and that, is to your detriment. What you believe is not rare; there are a good number of unbiblical groups who believe as do you but I suspect you would really like to start your very own club.
perpetuating lies about someone is not right
 
You appear to have a goal of being an idiot.
Ecclesiastes 4:17
Keep thy foot, when thou goest into the house of God, and draw nigh to hear. For much better is obedience, than the victims of fools, who know not what evil they do.
 
That's a hunk of malarkey as you have demonstrated in almost every one of your posts. You do NOT believe in the gospel of Jesus or you would not be brandishing the commandments and finally admitting that you do not count Paul's letters as inspired which means you do not believe Jesus met him and called him to be an Apostle to the Gentiles and you do not accept much of the teaching in the New Testament.

I cannot say what I would really like to say right now. It would not only raise eyebrows as it would be a departure from my usual attempts at being polite (with a touch of sarcasim or humor now and then) and I could either get a good talking to by a mod or even banned. Suffice it to say God knows what I would like to say and I do not think I would hesitate if we were face to face.

You reject Paul. You reject what he writes about Jesus. You think Paul had a different gospel than what you think Jesus had, but you also reject this:

27Then He took the cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29I tell you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in My Father’s kingdom.” Matthew 26

Jesus, at the last supper while knowing he was well on the way to being crucified, says the above words. You have consistently refused any consideration of those words and continue on your path of self grandisement by shoving the 10 commandments at everyone.

I suspect God is not amused and might rather think your offerings slanderous, as you constantly twist scripture and shove Jesus to the side with the commandments that are not the covenant.

It is both ridiculous and very pompous on your part, that you actually seem to think that your substitutionary keeping of the commandments (that no one has actually ever kept) is a pleasant aroma in God's nostrils. Actually, it stinks and God does not accept the self grandizing affliction you suffer from.

You will ignore this of course and that, is to your detriment. What you believe is not rare; there are a good number of unbiblical groups who believe as do you but I suspect you would really like to start your very own club.
That's a hunk of malarkey as you have demonstrated in almost every one of your posts. You do NOT believe in the gospel of Jesus or you would not be brandishing the commandments and finally admitting that you do not count Paul's letters as inspired which means you do not believe Jesus met him and called him to be an Apostle to the Gentiles and you do not accept much of the teaching in the New Testament.

I cannot say what I would really like to say right now. It would not only raise eyebrows as it would be a departure from my usual attempts at being polite (with a touch of sarcasim or humor now and then) and I could either get a good talking to by a mod or even banned. Suffice it to say God knows what I would like to say and I do not think I would hesitate if we were face to face.

You reject Paul. You reject what he writes about Jesus. You think Paul had a different gospel than what you think Jesus had, but you also reject this:

27Then He took the cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29I tell you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in My Father’s kingdom.” Matthew 26

Jesus, at the last supper while knowing he was well on the way to being crucified, says the above words. You have consistently refused any consideration of those words and continue on your path of self grandisement by shoving the 10 commandments at everyone.

I suspect God is not amused and might rather think your offerings slanderous, as you constantly twist scripture and shove Jesus to the side with the commandments that are not the covenant.

It is both ridiculous and very pompous on your part, that you actually seem to think that your substitutionary keeping of the commandments (that no one has actually ever kept) is a pleasant aroma in God's nostrils. Actually, it stinks and God does not accept the self grandizing affliction you suffer from.

You will ignore this of course and that, is to your detriment. What you believe is not rare; there are a good number of unbiblical groups who believe as do you but I suspect you would really like to start your very own club.
Do you believe a person must believe the sound doctrine of Jesus Christ if they are ever to get to heaven?