That's because his law is not the law of Moses, which Peter called an unbearable yoke.
The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?
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That's because his law is not the law of Moses, which Peter called an unbearable yoke.
Paul is not actually recognized as an Apostle to vassal and his buddies. He does not recognize Paul's letters as authoratative and believes that Paul presents a different gospel.
He believes the only authority are the words spoken by Jesus but fails to understand those words were all prior to Jesus cruxcifixion and that everything changed after Jesus was resurrected.
So, we end up with constantly being told the 10 commandments are the covenant when Jesus, even at the 'last supper' said the covenant was through His blood. That is significant because those are the words of Jesus before any of Paul's letters, BUT, they contradict the belief of vassal and some others that the commandments are the covenant.
So, there are groups that do not give Paul any credence and say that is because Paul's gospel is not Jesus gospel.
Unless you understand this, you will continue to try and convince vassal et al that he is wrong. Has it made any difference so far?
He believes the only authority are the words spoken by Jesus but fails to understand those words were all prior to Jesus cruxcifixion and that everything changed after Jesus was resurrected.
So, we end up with constantly being told the 10 commandments are the covenant when Jesus, even at the 'last supper' said the covenant was through His blood. That is significant because those are the words of Jesus before any of Paul's letters, BUT, they contradict the belief of vassal and some others that the commandments are the covenant.
So, there are groups that do not give Paul any credence and say that is because Paul's gospel is not Jesus gospel.
Unless you understand this, you will continue to try and convince vassal et al that he is wrong. Has it made any difference so far?
Yes, I for one, realize he has manufactured his own gospel (and no I haven't convinced him or those of his ilk), but sometimes we need to post the truth regardless, not to convince or convert him, but for the sake of others who might not realize that he is contrary to the true gospel and who need to be told the truth boldly to counter his lies.
Well we have been posting the truth for about 90 pages now, which would include the other clone like thread. Some years back there were several individuals who were into the ignore Paul and believe Jesus only as vassal and his buddies are now. It is sadly not as rare as some people might think.
The interesting thing though, as I already said in my other post, is that he says Jesus words only, but then will not respond to Jesus words at the last supper in which He states the covenant is through His blood. So, not all about Jesus at all.
Anti-Paulism is a term used to describe opposition to the apostle Paul, particularly regarding his authority, teachings, and writings within the New Testament. Those who hold to Anti-Paulism often reject Paul's epistles as authoritative or question his apostleship. This view challenges the foundational Christian doctrine because Paul is a central figure in the New Testament, and his teachings are crucial to understanding core elements of Christian theology, such as justification by faith, the nature of the church, and the role of the law. more
So like Solomon said, there is nothing new under the sun.
There are alot more people who only read, do not post, these forums so who knows.
Yes, and especially so since Peter implied that Paul was an apostle by the "wisdom GIVEN unto him" and by the " as also in ALL (his) epistles", identifying them as "scriptures"
[2Pe 3:15-16 KJV]
15 And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
You are so careful to distinguish the covenant from the Law, but then you put "covenant" where Scripture says "Law". God does not say that He will write "the covenant" on their minds and hearts in Jeremiah 31; He says He will write "the law.
You have completely undermined your own argument.
he didn't manufacture it; he was taught it, and it's not new.
the reason letters like the epistle to the Collosians and the Galatians specifically dismantle his arguments is that he's presenting the doctrines that the unbelieving Sanhedrin came up with in order to try to infiltrate the early Jewish church, and then the Gentile converts also, and retain control over it.
why does Paul write so many things that explicitly counter his reasoning? because this kind of works-based salvation has its roots in an early heresy, the same way John's letters wreck gnosticism and Peter's, hedonism. all three ideas are dangers of subtly misunderstanding or purposefully twisting the actual gospel.
Dino scripture does say the ten commandments are the covenant, God Himself . I did not invent this, I understand it can be a surprise, many churches never speak of this but is so important th know that the old covenant and new covenant are. it is not a vague theory, since you admitted nor reading the o.p. i will give you here the verses where GOD clearly calls the ten commandments the covenant;
Here are some the KJV verses where God clearly calls the Ten Commandments “the covenant.” These are direct and plain statements from Scripture.
Exodus 34:28 (KJV)
“And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.”
Deuteronomy 4:13 (KJV)
“And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.”
Deuteronomy 9:9 (KJV)
“When I was gone up into the mount to receive the tables of stone, even the tables of the covenant which the LORD made with you…”
Deuteronomy 9:11 (KJV)
“And it came to pass at the end of forty days and forty nights, that the LORD gave me the two tables of stone, even the tables of the covenant.”
Deuteronomy 5:2 (KJV)
“The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.”
(What follows in Deuteronomy 5 is the full listing of the Ten Commandments.)
Note the ten commandments and NOT the law of Moses was kept in the Ark of the Covenant
as for Jeremiah about the new covenant I have the following ( KJV)
The New Covenant
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
As for the rest of the law of Moses for gentiles the Jerusalem council was clear on this and only kept a few points of the law of Moses to protect the gentile followers from defiling themselves with sexual immorality, food sacrificed to idols ans a few more items Remember that Jesus was teaching all the commandments of the covenant, the ten commandments! Ten commandments we have to follow from the heart, most if not all denominations do teach the ten commandments today do they not?
Peace be with you.
prove it with the proper verses in the Right context. BYW you do not understand much of scrioture it is evident.
Miss the point much?
Jer 31:31-33
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt;
which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Do you see it now?
Galatians 2:2-9
And I went up by revelation, and communicated to them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to those who were of reputation, lest by any means I might run, or had run, in vain.
Yet not even Titus who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised. And this occurred because of false brethren secretly brought in (who came in by stealth to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage), to whom we did not yield submission even for an hour, that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.
But from those who seemed to be something — whatever they were, it makes no difference to me; God shows personal favoritism to no man — for those who seemed to be something added nothing to me. But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter (for He who worked effectively in Peter for the apostleship to the circumcised also worked effectively in me toward the Gentiles), and when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.
Acts 15:5
But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying,
"It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses."
i find this interesting, that Paul had some kind of doubt after 14 years of evangelizing, so he went and ((finally)) met privately with Peter, James and John - - the very three who had been on the mount of transfiguration and seen that Jesus Christ is the One in the pillar of fire.
they did not correct him in any way, per the text, but gave him the right hand of fellowship.
and this is related right after Galatians 1:11-12, where he tells us he was not taught the gospel by any man, but by Christ Himself!
this is a comfort
those of you who have encouraged me, thank you
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the context was the covenant the ten commandments. yes the commandments are laws also I did see it of course but I provided the context you did not Context is paramount for understanding. I explained it at length, i guess you want to see what you want, its ok.
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From Your sharing of Galatians 2 and Acts 15, and it is clear that your focus is very strongly on Paul’s writings. However, the issue we have been discussing—whether the Ten Commandments remain the covenant and the heart of God’s law—is not determined by Paul’s letters alone.
Paul’s letters often deal with the application of the law to Gentile believers and defending the gospel of faith, but they do not replace or nullify the covenant revealed in the Ten Commandments, as given in Exodus, Deuteronomy, and affirmed in Jeremiah 31. Focusing only on Paul leads to a narrow, incomplete understanding of God’s covenant and can cause one to misinterpret the full counsel of Scripture.
The examples you cite, about circumcision and the law, are situational instructions to the early church, not a doctrinal abrogation of the Ten Commandments. The Ten Commandments were written on stone, placed inside the Ark, of the covenant and God Himself calls them His covenant. Jeremiah confirms that the “new” covenant is not a new law, but the same law written on hearts rather than stone. Jesus Himself affirms this repeatedly.
Your knowledge of scripture seems concentrated on Paul, and while that is valuable, it does not give the full picture. Because our views on this matter are fundamentally different, we cannot come to agreement on it. This will be my final response to you on this topic.
no it was correct i was commenting your answer not the scripture I explain on my final reply to you on this topic.am sure you accidentally put this on post #1211 instead of where it belongs on post #1212
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not sure you know this, but Dr. Luke, who was a Gentile disciple of a Peter, wrote Acts.
by word count - that is, the actual volume of material, Dr. Luke is the major author of the NT.
many short letters of Paul are part of the scripture, and only two books of Dr. Luke, but the gospel of Luke and the Acts of the apostles are very long.
my bad, i didn't think you were so petty to mock scripture.
i still attribute it to a mistake on your part, out of respect for you.
perhaps you don't understand what a dishonorable thing you did.
i have been here on this forum for a very long time and seen the same arguments made dozens of times by hundreds of people who come and go.
i find it offensive - - and telling - - when someone puts a disparaging emoji on a post that is nothing but scripture. it shows a lack of respect for the Word of God.