The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[memberofthebride]

Christ said that to those who were still under the old covenant, so it was the right thing to do.

When pharisees told believing gentiles that they had to get circumcised and observe the law of Moses the Jerusalem council in Acts 15 ruled that they did not.

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First; LEV 26: 1 -39 is the Old Covenant -- show me where circumcision is commanded in the Old Covenant and neither is animal sacrifice.

Friend, Was Christ confirming the Covenant at the time He made this statement? Yes
Why would Christ not make it clear that this was not for everyone, just the Jews?

You are says we can not believe every thing Christ did and taught, that the way HE lived and taught is not to be followed by everyone?

HE made the statement to HIS Disciples of which I am one.

I am not of "The Many", I fellowship with the Few.

I learned many decades ago -- the majority is usually wrong.

 

[Qt]

As I already previously explained to you: Colossians 2:16-17 - calendar laws are "a shadow and the reality is Christ." Galatians 4:9-11 - returning to "days and months" as obligatory undermines grace. Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:2 - the early church gathered on "the first day of the week," indicating freedom to worship beyond Saturday. Revelation 1:10 - John’s "Lord’s Day" reflects a resurrection-anchored rhythm, not a replacement legal code. Romans 14:5 balances Colossians 2 (warning against mandatory Sabbatarianism) and Hebrews 4:9 (affirming the ongoing principle of rest) by protecting individual conscience in non-essentials.

Romans 14 friend. Just because you think the bible says something different else where does change the facts shared to you in relation to Romans 14.

Fact 1: No mention of the Sabbath there.


Fact 2: As a matter of fact Romans 14 is speaking of man's opinions and surmising's Not God's Word.

How do we know? Because the context is set in verses 1 and 2. The context of the passage is in regard to not disputing with those who are weak in the faith over opinions in respect to what we can or can not do. Not what has been established in the Word of God.
Verse one mentions not disputing over opinions, not what has been established by God in Scripture. In continuing this premise he mentions a debate in regard to some thinking we should only eat vegetables. There is no mandate from God that we should only eat vegies. It is a opinion or a surmising one gets from scripture not a mandate, a Law from God. So when we get to verses 5 and 6 we should know that the day is not the Sabbath because the context is over opinions not the Sabbath, God's Law.

One might say, well how do you explain verse 14 where Paul says, "there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean".

Fact 3: Quite simply, that is a bad translation. The word translated there unclean is koinos which means common or profane not unclean. They are not synonyms. Acts 10 show us this. There in relation to Peter's vision both common and unclean are mentioned in respect to what Peter saw when he seen all manner of four footed beasts, wild beasts and creeping things. He did not see any clean animals there though they were because he seen all manner of four footed beasts.

You see they were no longer clean animals due to them touching the unclean ones.

Hence why Peter only seen common and unclean animals when he proclaimed he would not eat any thing common OR unclean..
Because as was shared in the previous post to you. When an unclean animal, human or thing touched that which was clean and pure that which was clean became impure. Hence why the word Greek word Koinos which is translated either common or impure in most places.

Lev 7:21 Moreover the soul that shall touch any unclean thing, as the uncleanness of man, or any unclean beast, or any abominable unclean thing, and eat of the flesh of the sacrifice of peace offerings, which pertain unto the LORD, even that soul shall be cut off from his people.

Take not also when God censures Peter He says, what God has cleansed call not common.

Fact 4: God never mentions the unclean being cleansed only the common.

Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in his faith, receive ye,––not for disputing opinions:––
Rom 14:2 One, indeed, hath faith to eat all things, whereas, he that is weak, eateth herbs:
Rom 14:5 [For], one, indeed esteemeth one day beyond another, whereas, another, esteemeth every day:––let, each one, in his own mind be fully persuaded.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, unto the Lord, regardeth it,––and, he that eateth, unto the Lord, doth eat, for he giveth thanks unto God; and, he that eateth not, unto the Lord, doth not eat and give God thanks.

Rom 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

Acts 10:12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

Acts 10:13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
Acts 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
Acts 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

No, The 7th day Sabbath rest is a weekly rest from our physical labors in which we perform to survive. One day set apart that we ALL can cease from our own labor AS God did from His. And in this day that He had set apart we can comment fully to worship and things of Him without the distractions that happen in the labor that we perform to survive.

The as God did from His in Hebrews 4:10 is a direct comparison to the ceasing from work God did on the 7th day of creation. God did not cease from any works of the flesh and enter into the Rest which in Christ of Him.

It is also worthy to note verse ten says those who entered into His Rest ALSO ceased from their own works as God did.

The word Also means in addition. Two things are happening not one

Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

You live in the letter; I live in the spirit. You live in the shadow; I live in the reality

 

[mailmandan]

When an unclean animal, human or thing touched that which was clean and pure that which was clean became impure. Hence why the word Greek word Koinos which is translated either common or impure in most places.

Lev 7:21 Moreover the soul that shall touch any unclean thing, as the uncleanness of man, or any unclean beast, or any abominable unclean thing, and eat of the flesh of the sacrifice of peace offerings, which pertain unto the LORD, even that soul shall be cut off from his people.

You previously stated that "unclean" was a bad translation in Romans 14:14 (Quite simply, that is a bad translation. The word translated there unclean is koinos which means common or profane not unclean. They are not synonyms) but I showed you otherwise.

Numerous translations say unclean. Romans 14:14 - Bible Gateway

Lexical Summary
koinos: Common, unclean, profane
Original Word: κοινός
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: koinos
Pronunciation: koy-NOS
Phonetic Spelling: (koy-nos')
KJV: common, defiled, unclean, unholy
NASB: unclean, unholy, common, impure, common property
Word Origin: [probably from G4862 (σύν - along)]

Strong's Greek: 2839. κοινός (koinos) -- Common, unclean, profane

 

[mailmandan]

Romans 14 friend. Just because you think the bible says something different else where does change the facts shared to you in relation to Romans 14.

Fact 1: No mention of the Sabbath there.

Fact 2: As a matter of fact Romans 14 is speaking of man's opinions and surmising's Not God's Word.

How do we know? Because the context is set in verses 1 and 2. The context of the passage is in regard to not disputing with those who are weak in the faith over opinions in respect to what we can or can not do. Not what has been established in the Word of God.
Verse one mentions not disputing over opinions, not what has been established by God in Scripture. In continuing this premise he mentions a debate in regard to some thinking we should only eat vegetables. There is no mandate from God that we should only eat vegies. It is a opinion or a surmising one gets from scripture not a mandate, a Law from God. So when we get to verses 5 and 6 we should know that the day is not the Sabbath because the context is over opinions not the Sabbath, God's Law.

One might say, well how do you explain verse 14 where Paul says, "there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean".

Fact 3: Quite simply, that is a bad translation. The word translated there unclean is koinos which means common or profane not unclean. They are not synonyms. Acts 10 show us this. There in relation to Peter's vision both common and unclean are mentioned in respect to what Peter saw when he seen all manner of four footed beasts, wild beasts and creeping things. He did not see any clean animals there though they were because he seen all manner of four footed beasts.

You see they were no longer clean animals due to them touching the unclean ones.

Hence why Peter only seen common and unclean animals when he proclaimed he would not eat any thing common OR unclean..
Because as was shared in the previous post to you. When an unclean animal, human or thing touched that which was clean and pure that which was clean became impure. Hence why the word Greek word Koinos which is translated either common or impure in most places.

Lev 7:21 Moreover the soul that shall touch any unclean thing, as the uncleanness of man, or any unclean beast, or any abominable unclean thing, and eat of the flesh of the sacrifice of peace offerings, which pertain unto the LORD, even that soul shall be cut off from his people.

Take not also when God censures Peter He says, what God has cleansed call not common.

Fact 4: God never mentions the unclean being cleansed only the common.

Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in his faith, receive ye,––not for disputing opinions:––
Rom 14:2 One, indeed, hath faith to eat all things, whereas, he that is weak, eateth herbs:
Rom 14:5 [For], one, indeed esteemeth one day beyond another, whereas, another, esteemeth every day:––let, each one, in his own mind be fully persuaded.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, unto the Lord, regardeth it,––and, he that eateth, unto the Lord, doth eat, for he giveth thanks unto God; and, he that eateth not, unto the Lord, doth not eat and give God thanks.

Rom 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

Acts 10:12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

Acts 10:13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
Acts 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
Acts 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

I already covered this in post #1,127. It appears to me that we are at an impasse.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The sabbath is kept in Christ when we cease from works of the flesh and trust in faith that God is sanctifying us, which was the sole purpose for the 4th commandment.

No, The 7th day Sabbath rest is a weekly rest from our physical labors in which we perform to survive. One day set apart that we ALL can cease from our own labor AS God did from His. And in this day that He had set apart we can comment fully to worship and things of Him without the distractions that happen in the labor that we perform to survive.

I noticed that when you quoted my post you purposely clipped off the last part of my statement that says "trust in faith that God is sanctifying us, which was the sole purpose for the 4th commandment". No 7th Day Adventist ever acknowledges this because it undoes their propaganda, even though that is what scripture explicitly says was the purpose for the weekly sabbaths.

Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you. Exodus 31:13​

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Do you think we should keep the 10 commandments today because you love Jesus?
Not to earn salvation.
Not to gain righteousness.

But because you love to obey your Lord and saviour.

Because you delight in doing God's will.

If that's your faith go for it. Don't judge those who have the faith to see that the 4th commandment is fulfilled by knowing and trusting that God is sanctifying us and ceasing from works of the flesh.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

We keep the Ten Commandments because the wages of sin is death

Whatever is not of faith is sin, and the law is not of faith because the person who does the law must live in it and do everything in it lest he be cursed.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The purpose of the weekly sabbaths was to be a sign to Israel, a weekly reminder, that God was sanctifying them.

Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them. Ezekiel 20:12​

The righteousness demanded by the 4th commandment is fulfilled when we cease from works of the flesh and have faith that God is sanctifying us, rather than our works doing so. The inward witness of the holy spirit is now the sign that God is sanctifying us every moment of every day. The weekly sabbaths were far inferior to what we have in spirit now every moment of every day

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[vassal]

You live in the letter; I live in the spirit. You live in the shadow; I live in the reality

the ten commandments, the covenant are a single unit and are still in the Ark of the covenant ( see revelations 11:9. )Who has the authority to remove a single one of these Ten Commandments? Just because we do not like it? NO one! that is GOD's reality. You follow the world's reality.

 

[vassal]

If that's your faith go for it. Don't judge those who have the faith to see that the 4th commandment is fulfilled by knowing and trusting that God is sanctifying us and ceasing from works of the flesh.

just remember Jesus will judge all of us according to His words and in His teachings . and from his Mouth as recorded in scripture He did teach about the sabbath and how to follow it properly and Not like the pharisees who added to it and truly made it impossible to follow and A burden, did you not know this?

Jesus also said if you want to enter life, Keep my commandments!

 

[vassal]

Whatever is not of faith is sin, and the law is not of faith because the person who does the law must live in it and do everything in it lest he be cursed.

you still confuse the ten commandments and the rest of the law of Moses, doing so diminishes the importance of the covenant. the OP is about the ten commandments ( called by GOD the COVENANT) and not the law of Moses!

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

the ten commandments, the covenant are a single unit and are still in the Ark of the covenant ( see revelations 11:9. )Who has the authority to remove a single one of these Ten Commandments? Just because we do not like it? NO one! that is GOD's reality. You follow the world's reality.

The ark of the covenant in Revelation 11;19 is figurative language for Jesus, and the 10 commandments within it are a shadow of his righteousness.

And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the LORD, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the LORD: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more. Jeremiah 3:16​

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

just remember Jesus will judge all of us according to His words and in His teachings . and from his Mouth as recorded in scripture He did teach about the sabbath and how to follow it properly and Not like the pharisees who added to it and truly made it impossible to follow and A burden, did you not know this?

Jesus also said if you want to enter life, Keep my commandments!

If you follow one commandment of the law you have to follow every bit of it. The law is not of faith. Follow Christ and you will do well

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

you still confuse the ten commandments and the rest of the law of Moses, doing so diminishes the importance of the covenant. the OP is about the ten commandments ( called by GOD the COVENANT) and not the law of Moses!

The 10 commandments are in the law of Moses. The 10-commandment covenant was broken, and the 10 commandments were included in the covenant made in Moab

 

[Qt]

I already covered this in post #1,127. It appears to me that we are at an impasse.

No you did not address any of the objective facts. And you know it.
Take care

 

[rogerg]

This passage does not say the law itself would change. Instead, it tells us that the ten commandments that are the covenant instead of being written on stone tablets, would be written in our hearts and minds. That means the law remains the same, but its place changes, from external tablets to internal conviction. This is why we see in the Gospels of John, Matthew, Luke and Mark, Jesus teaching the commandments and magnifying them.

That is completely wrong! The New Covenant is not just a change of where the law would reside, but instead it abolishes the law entirely as a requirement for salvation for those placed under the New Covenant.
We are clearly informed in Ephesians 2:14 - 2:16 that for them, the law of commandments was completely abolished by Christ.

[Eph 2:14-16 KJV]
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition [between us];
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, [even] the law of commandments [contained] in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, [so] making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:


The New Covenant does not have the ten commandments within it as though that was God's goal for bringing it forth. Regarding salvation, the ten commands, and all other laws, were completely replaced by the New Covenant, because according to the Old Covenant, the satisfying of its stipulations was completely dependent upon man alone to perfectly achieve, which they are incapable of doing. Not so with the New Covenant: its stipulations were satisfied by God. The ten commandments were not included within it either expressly or implicitly as its requirements. The terms and stipulations of the New Covenant are not hidden nor are they secret for you to misrepresent according to what you want it to mean - they are available for all to view and understand, and which, I've included below.
The New Covenant was given unilaterally by God to those whom He had chosen to be placed under it - but not to all. On their behalf, He has fulfilled all of its requirements: they are solely the recipients and beneficiaries of what was freely given to them by an exceedingly merciful and gracious God through Jesus Christ the Savior, with no requirement whatsoever imposed upon them for it, except to have been chosen by God to be placed under it - for them, it is a completely free gift; No part of it was ever intended by God to be satisfied by or through man, by his keeping of the law or commandments- the New Covenant is exact opposite of the ten commandments and law unto salvation.
It is named the New Covenant because it shares nothing whatsoever with the Old Covenant: it is new, completely new.
We were clearly informed of that in Ephesians 2:14 - 15

[Heb 8:9-10, 12-13 KJV]
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: ...
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13 In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away.

Beware of vassal all you who read his posts. He is a modern-day version of those spoken about in Gal 2:4. He seeks to take away the liberty given by Christ to bring Christians back into bondage.

[Gal 2:4 KJV] 4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:

 

[vassal]

The ark of the covenant in Revelation 11;19 is figurative language for Jesus, and the 10 commandments within it are a shadow of his righteousness.

And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the LORD, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the LORD: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more. Jeremiah 3:16​

this in italics thwt you quoted is still pending, we are not there yet!, the proof is clear since you reject the sabbath command. nowhere it is said it was removed. when paul talks about sabbaths he speaks of other sabbath(s) from the law of Moses.

 

[vassal]

The 10 commandments are in the law of Moses. The 10-commandment covenant was broken, and the 10 commandments were included in the covenant made in Moab

The Ten Commandments are not just part of the Law of Moses. Scripture clearly separates them and gives them a unique status.
God Himself calls the Ten Commandments the covenant, not Moses law.

“And He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.”
Deuteronomy 4:13 (NKJV)
“These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly… and He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.”
Deuteronomy 5:22 (NKJV)
The rest of the laws were given through Moses, written by Moses, and placed beside the ark, not inside it.
“So Moses wrote this law and delivered it… Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant.”
Deuteronomy 31:9, 26 (NKJV)
The Ten Commandments were placed inside the ark, showing their covenant role.
“Nothing was in the ark except the two tablets of stone which Moses put there at Horeb, when the LORD made a covenant with the children of Israel.”
1 Kings 8:9 (NKJV)
The covenant being “broken” does not mean God’s commandments were abolished. Israel broke the covenant by disobedience, just as they broke many times before.
“They have broken My covenant which I commanded them.”
Exodus 19:5–8 compared with Exodus 32
Jesus confirmed the Ten Commandments as still meaningful and binding in God’s will.
“If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
Matthew 19:17 (NKJV)
In simple words:
The Ten Commandments are God’s covenant words, spoken by God, written by God, and placed in the ark.
The Law of Moses includes many other laws given through Moses.
Confusing the two removes the clear distinction that Scripture itself makes.

its the third or fourth time i explain this to you. when will you listen?

 

[vassal]

If you follow one commandment of the law you have to follow every bit of it. The law is not of faith. Follow Christ and you will do well

Jesus never said that obeying God is a burden. He said the opposite. He said, “My yoke is easy and My burden is light”(Matthew 11:30, NKJV). If God’s commandments were impossible to keep, Jesus would not speak this way.
Jesus also did not teach that obeying one commandment forces a person to keep the whole Law of Moses. What He taught was obedience to His commandments, rightly understood, not twisted by human traditions. He rebuked the Pharisees because they added rules and turned God’s good commands into heavy loads. He said, “They bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men’s shoulders” (Matthew 23:4, NKJV). That burden came from men, not from God.
Jesus clearly taught that obedience flows from love and is helped by God Himself. He said, “If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15, NKJV). Then He immediately explained how this is possible. He promised help from God, not abandonment. He said, “I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper… the Spirit of truth”(John 14:16–17, NKJV). God does not command and then leave us alone. He helps, teaches, and guides.
Jesus also said, “The Spirit will guide you into all truth” (John 16:13, NKJV). This means obedience is not about human effort or fear. It is about walking with God, being taught, corrected, and strengthened from within.
As for faith, Jesus never separated faith from obedience. He said, “Why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?” (Luke 6:46, NKJV). Faith that refuses to obey Jesus is not faith as He defined it.

God’s commandments are not a curse.
Jesus’ teachings are not a trap.
The burden came from human traditions, that is the trap many are in right now. the burden if not from God.
And God gives His Spirit to help those who truly want to walk in His ways.
Following Christ does not cancel obedience.
Following Christ teaches us how to obey without fear, pride, or bondage.