Is Anything Not Predestinated by God?

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Jordon said:
a question to explore the nature of the soul and it's connection to the devine if I understand your question correctly
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If properly speaking we bring our good works to the Altar in God's name, the spiritual fruit of "repentance" or being "reproved" by the Presence of God at the Altar gives glory back to Jesus Christ so that his Command is present in the corporeal faculty.
 
Dino246 said:
1 Samuel 23:7-13 sheds much light on this topic.

David lays a two-part speculative question before the Lord: if he does this, will that happen? God gives clear, specific answers to both parts of the question. David chooses to do something else.

This shows that God knows possible futures that never actually happened.
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Not to come off dumb, but I’m not sure I’m following the last sentence.

“This shows that God knows possible futures that never actually happened.”
 
Blue155 said:
Not to come off dumb, but I’m not sure I’m following the last sentence.

“This shows that God knows possible futures that never actually happened.”
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David asked God whether Saul would come down to Keilah. At that point, Saul had not done so, but God answered, "He will."

David asked God whether the people of Keilah would surrender him to Saul. God answered, "They will."

Those events had not taken place, and never did. God answered "What if" questions with direct, clear answers. These are possible future events given that David was deciding whether to go to Keilah. He didn't, so those possible events never occurred.
 
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Blue155 said:
Not to come off dumb, but I’m not sure I’m following the last sentence.

“This shows that God knows possible futures that never actually happened.”
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The Lord's Word is unchanging and even rests with glory. No future Presence does he entertain, since He is with us and we do not call on him in vain or keep idols to other gods.
 
PaulThomson said:
I agree that God did not create evil, but did let it happen. So, God knowing all history in advance before creation is not logically reasonable.
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Your conclusion doesn't follow from your assertion. Please explain.
 
Tex_MidwesternerNW said:
The Lord's Word is unchanging and even rests with glory. No future Presence does he entertain, since He is with us and we do not call on him in vain or keep idols to other gods.
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I don't know what you're smoking, but you should stop. Your post is only vaguely related to the discussion, and that seems to be a pattern for you.
 
Dino246 said:
I don't know what you're smoking, but you should stop. Your post is only vaguely related to the discussion, and that seems to be a pattern for you.
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I'm not sure about telling me that I need to stop, in the sense of talking back about it, but I'll table this thread
 
Dino246 said:
David asked God whether Saul would come down to Keilah. At that point, Saul had not done so, but God answered, "He will."

David asked God whether the people of Keilah would surrender him to Saul. God answered, "They will."

Those events had not taken place, and never did. God answered "What if" questions with direct, clear answers. These are possible future events given that David was deciding whether to go to Keilah. He didn't, so those possible events never occurred.
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Makes sense. Thanks.
 
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Blue155 said:
What?
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The nature of spiritual guidance comes from the Bible. The Old and New Testaments together define a theological boundary between a predestined fate of one believer as chosen by a God who sees this person in his Presence and the wild and unpredictable kinds of heresy that prevents God from being able to fashion a would-be follower for a predetermined countenance.
 
Tex_MidwesternerNW said:
The nature of spiritual guidance comes from the Bible. The Old and New Testaments together define a theological boundary between a predestined fate of one believer as chosen by a God who sees this person in his Presence and the wild and unpredictable kinds of heresy that prevents God from being able to fashion a would-be follower for a predetermined countenance.
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Ok.
 
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Tex_MidwesternerNW said:
The nature of spiritual guidance comes from the Bible. The Old and New Testaments together define a theological boundary between a predestined fate of one believer as chosen by a God who sees this person in his Presence and the wild and unpredictable kinds of heresy that prevents God from being able to fashion a would-be follower for a predetermined countenance.
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Wow. Are you paid by the word?
 
Dino246 said:
Proverbs 27:6;)
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Ok back on topic. Is anything predestined to not be.

"For you ignore God's law and substitute your own tradition."

"And then he added, "It is what comes from inside that defiles you. For from within, out of a person's heart, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, lustful desires, envy, slander, pride, and foolishness. All these vile things come from within; they are what defile you." (Mark 7:8,20-23 NLT)

On the structural analytic meaning of this specific commandment which releases Christians from dietary legal proscriptions, bear with me here. God did not predestine Eve to lapse from grace, but it is reappropriated in Christ's commandment that dietary law, in terms of false traditions, is not primarily dictated by God but by man since Adam and Eve left us with the knowledge of good and evil as all humanity's ultimate ancestors.

This verse goes beyond mythological analysis as being the crux of why Christians eat food which is forbidden by Jewish law in Leviticus.

The specific vices listed here are also not predestined by God. They come from within the heart, and are reflected in speech as filth which God hates. So, not every word a person uses is "predetermined" by God, which would be required if he did not intend us to use better judgment and good taste as followers of the Lord, not unbelieving like stubborn goats that exist as predetermined creations but are mostly driven by animal instinct and are not predestined to share in the Lord's Presence.
 
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