You made the accusation; you provide the evidence. Nobody else needs to do anything to justify your slander.
Since you have chosen to double down rather than repent, your time here will be limited.
Should the church preach the gospel?
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Since you have chosen to double down rather than repent, your time here will be limited.
So you repented of your support for the heresy of once saved always saved, aka eternal security???
Why that would be great news!
I got a feeling you have not actually repented of your support for the heresy of once saved always saved, aka eternal security
What DO you believe concerning this topic?
Yes and that's my point.
Yes you did, so apologize for that.
Having said that my point still stands.
"Doing thing Gods word says are a sin"
That does not make sense and that's the point I want to make.
Saying the below is disgraceful
"You need help with that dyslexia there bro man"
I have children who are dyslexia and a foster brother as well and all struggle.
How dare you take the piss out of people who have this disability.
Just so you also know I am losing my eyesight in my left eye and probably did not see correctly.
Shame on you
So please calrify and breakdown
What does it mean to live in sin.
Be specific, if not then then I assume you have no idea.
I said sin is "Doing things God's Word says are sin"
No apology needed for that
You should apologize to the Lord Jesus for apparently claiming when God says something is sin, it's not actually sin
Really? When God says something is sinful - you cannot understand that???
If you cannot understand what God says in His Word about certain things being sinful then you are worse off than I thought
No, it's saying maybe you need medical help which is available for those suffering from dyslexia
Is it wrong to want to see someone get help when they need it?
I have not taken any pee pee from anyone.
Pretty disgusting thing to say
OK so thanks for the explanation.
That would contribute to how you read what I said in error.
No, the Lord took my shame at the Cross of Calvary so I would not have to bear it.
OK, so sin is Doing things God's Word says are sin
Let me know if you are still having a problem believing that when God says something is sinful, it is actually sinful.
All one has to do is accept what God says in His Word concerning what sin is.
I wasn't trying to give you a hard time.
I just couldn't imagine anybody not agreeing with the Lord when He says something is sinful.
I will not answer ANY of your questions until and unless you retract your accusations.
Sounds like you don't believe your precious once saved always saved doctrine is worthy of being supported.
That's a good thing as fewer people will be deceived by hearing you support this heresy
It seems I was having a hard time understanding what you were saying (based on a blind left eye, waiting for surgery to correct it)
So I went at you so I am sorry.
I totally agree with you concerning something is sinful that the Holy Spirit reveals to us but it's been twisted over the years.
Let's put aside at the moment about living in sin as that for me is a different matter.
I was told that I was not saved because I do not speak in tongues and was baptised in the name of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit and not in the of Jesus only.
That being the case if I am not saved and going to hell then I have sinned enough to be separated from God.
Even though my first prayer every morning is "Jesus please help me to be like you"
Any thoughts?
You lack the moral integrity and logical capacity to earn more than a dismissal.
Such is the nature on discussion forums where people freely exchange thoughts and ideas.
Not a problem at all.
Non issue.
The Lord would like for us to take advantage of all the tools He has provided to His people but no where in scripture are we told that a person goes to hell if they don't speak in tongues. If you wanted to mess with them ask them to show you were in scripture where do we specifically see there are repercussions for not speaking in tongues and where specifically does the Lord say in His Word that not speak in tongues is a sin.
It's not in there, so they cannot answer from scripture and instead will answer from what they believe to be right which is fine until they start telling people others are required to follow what their personal conscience it leading them to believe which is what they are doing. (Kinda like the catholics will claim we are required to pray to Mary which is bunk because God's Word does not teach that)
It would be different if scripture specifically said not speaking in tongues is a sin or otherwise mentioned some judgement upon those not speaking in tongues which is not in the New Testament. So basically they are tying to push their denominational beliefs on you.
Matthew 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
We're supposed to do all things in the Name of Jesus so Peter is in line with Colossians 3:17 which does not do away with or superseded the instructions Jesus gave in Matthew 28:19
Colossians 3:17
And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by Him
You were baptized according to the instructions Jesus gave in Matthew 28:19 and if done in faith then the Lord accepts it.
If done in doubt, that would be a problem so don't doubt and instead accept what Jesus said in Matthew 28:19 and be done with it. You did what Jesus said, and that's the end of the discussion.
If need be, cut off the oneness pentecostals that are trying to sow doubt in to your life.
I went thru this as a young believer where I got baptized right after getting born again according to Matthew 28:19, then a few weeks later I came in contact with some oneness pentecostal people who told me I must get re-baptized in the Name of Jesus only.
Apparently they are cherry pickers (they have numerous issues actually) who refuse to acknowledge or accept what Jesus said in Matthew 28:19. So I wouldn't worry about it if I were you, just keep walking with the Lord with a clear conscience as you have been doing.
I stopped going to the oneness pentecostal church like 3 weeks after I started with them because they were just weird and freaky. I didn't know much about scripture back then as a baby Christian but on the inside I could tell something was not right with them so I went back to the church I had gotten saved in.
Years later I moved to a new area and was out visiting churches looking for a new church home and visited a oneness pentecostal and during the worship service the preacher came up and laid hands on me suddenly (not biblical) and then tried to push me over backwards to make it look like I was being "slain in the Spirit" (also not biblical)
Needless to say, they was the last time I hung out with the oneness pentecostal people.
You became like Him when you got born again!
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Then we are called to abide in Christ having died to self:
Ephesians 5:1
Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
Ephesians 4:22-24
put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Romans 13:14
put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
Colossians 3:10
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of Him that created Him:
2 Corinthians 6:17
come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
1 John 1:6 - If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
*Walking in darkness is descriptive of children of the devil. Walking in the light is descriptive of children of God. Only those who are saved/believers are in the light.
Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.
2 Corinthians 6:14 - Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?
Ephesians 5:8 - for you were formerly darkness, but now you are Light in the Lord; walk as children of Light. Children of the devil walk in darkness, not in the light. Children of God walk in the light, not in darkness. IF confirms these positions in verses 6 and 7. It's one or the other.
In 1 John 2:9, we read - He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. In vs. 11 - But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.
*Compare with 1 John 3:10 - In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, (compare with 1 John 1:6 - does not practice the truth) nor is he who does not love his brother.
*Notice that walks in darkness, hates his brother is descriptive of children of the devil.
Certain folks jump to the conclusion that 1 John 5:16 is talking about believers committing a certain sin that lead them to spiritual death, but that does not fit the context. 1 John 5:16 - If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. 17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death. 18 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.
ALL sins apart from the blood of Christ lead to spiritual death, yet that is not what John is talking about here. In regard to 1 John 1:9, notice that - "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" (1 John 1:9) is IN CONTRAST to - If we say that we have no sin, (present tense) we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (1 John 1:8) and - If we say that we have not sinned, (past tense) we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. (1 John 1:10)
Certain people seem to misunderstand verse 9 to mean that we "must confess each and every sin that we commit as we commit them" (keep a specific inventory of every sin we have ever committed) as an "additional requirement" to "remain cleansed" and "if we forget a sin we are toast!" Who could actually write an exhaustive list of every sin they have ever committed or ever will commit? Sin is not only missing the mark by what we do but also what we fail to do. (James 4:17)
Believers "confess" (Greek - homologeó) speak the same/acknowledge/agree with God's perspective about their sins and have a settled recognition and ongoing acknowledgment that one is a sinner in need of cleansing and forgiveness in contrast with saying that we have no sin or that we have not sinned. (1 John 1:8-10) Those who believe they live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus lived) are suffering from a terminal case of self-righteousness.
Don't be so quick to falsely accuse the brethren of teaching that. I believe in eternal security of the believer but not in a license to sin/license for immorality.
It seems to me that many are unable to comprehend the distinction you describe.
This does not cover the works of the flesh as one must confess and forsake those sins to be cleansed.
Unless you want to claim 1 John 1:9 is a lie and all our future sins are already washed away that so many are preaching today causing so many to live in sin thinking they are still in right standing before the Lord.
God is not mocked, we reap what we sow regardless of the once saved always saved heretics claiming we can mock God an d we don't reap what we sow opening the door to people falsely believing they can go ahead and live in sin
Proves it's possible for as Christian to lose their salvation.
This wouldn't even be in God's Word if it were not possible to lose salvation.
2 Timothy 2:12
If we deny Him, He also will deny us
This is written to Christians who fail to keep themselves in Christ thru submitting to the Lord though the power of the Holy Spirit and turn away
And yet God says in His Word there is a sin not unto death.
Cherry picken always leads to false doctrine.
Of course you have to claim God lied in 1 John 1:9
It shows your precious once saved always saved doctrine is false.
No, no big list needed. If one has fallen away they should pray with sincerity asking for forgiveness from all their sins as they repent and the Lord will cleanse them if they ask in faith believing.
Which pleases the once saved always saved people so they can keep living in sin and claim with much pride and arrogance "Why, I'm not self-righteousness - I'm a sinner"
Which part of "all" don't you understand?
1 John 1:6 - If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. (descriptive of children of the devil)
IN CONTRAST TO
7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. (descriptive of children of God)
1 John 1:9 is not a lie and must be read in contrast to 1 John 1:8 -If we say that we have no sin, (present tense) we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us and 1 John 1:10 - If we say that we have not sinned, (past tense) we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Are you falsely accusing ALL believers in the OSAS camp of claiming they can mock God and will not reap what we sow and promoting a license to sin? If so, you need to confess your sin of slander. I certainly do not claim those things and neither do any of my brothers and sisters in Christ that I know who are in the OSAS camp.
1 John 5:16 does not prove it's possible for Christians to lose their salvation. That is your eisegesis. You need to read this verse in context. If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. 17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death. 18 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.
Your ant-OSAS derangement syndrome has reached the point of nauseum, regardless of how many avatar names that you go by.
The letter is written to Christians yet you missed the contrast between genuine Christians and pseudo Christians. You also missed that contrast in 1 John 6-10.
In context, physical death.
Your eisegesis is a good example of that.
Your straw man arguments and slander do not help your case.
You continue to show that you suffer from a severe case of anti- 0SAS derrangement syndrome. You need help.
You need to read 1 John 1:9 alongside of 1 John 1:8 and 1 John 1:10.
More slander. You have some serious issues.
There is much more to the Gospel than what the Op mentioned. It also teaches us how we should live our lives, how we should treat others, how Christ is our intercessor to speak in our prayers to God. But most importantly it shows us just how much God loves all of us and wants all people to have faith and believe that Christ suffered and died for our sins and rose from the grave. Through our faith He grants us His grace of salvation. You should never stop teaching and preaching these points. I'm reminded of an old Gospel tune called, I Love To Tell The Story. I personally can never get enough of God's word. Both old and new testament. You never know who may need to hear that on a Sunday morning both believers and non believers alike. I've heard many sermons in my life taught from old testament scriptures and low and behold Christ is present throughout the old testament as well, right from the beginning. So whether it's old testament or new you cannot teach and preach without it involving Christ simply because the entire bible is about Christ and our salvation.