Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Kroogz]

I have never stated that "universal" sounding terms are never used in the quantitative sense. The THREE-FOLD context of God's entire counsel determines when such terms should be understood in the quantitative or qualitative senses.

You are a TEXT BOOK calvie. Wow.

@Rufus is our AI of the calvie theory.

 

[cv5]

Did God choose to make Israel his covenant people or did Israel choose God? Did the apostles choose Christ or did He choose them?

The question you had better ask is whether you have an excuse. Because at this point you don't.

 

[Blain]

Adam didn't need saving before he died. He was very much spiritually alive and in communion with the Lord God. Being made alive is salvation from death.

I'm not going through this with you again. You're understanding is wrong and therefore I do not trust you to understand what others say.

grace and peace

This is true Adam did not need saving because he was already in close communion with God he even taught his children to honor God cain and able very much did respect God well cain not so much but yeah this is sound reasoning as far as I can tell

 

[Kroogz]

Rom 5:12 is a non sequitur.

My interpretation of Jn 12:32 harmonizes with the immediate context of the chapter and the rest of scripture. God gives only the elect to Christ and these are the ones who He will draw to the Son. God's grace is totally efficacious since Jesus said in Jn 17 and elsewhere that all that the Father GIVES to him, He will give eternal life. Jesus clearly desired that all the Father has given to the Son in eternity be with the Son for all eternity.

It's funny how you accuse @cv5 as having Adam as his "hero."

In reality, calvies have Adam as the ultimate winner.........But YOU are blind to most every logical conclusion of reformed/calvie/tulip theory.

Adam was 100% successful.........Christ not so much. According to the calvies.

 

[sawdust]

The question you had better ask is whether you have an excuse. Because at this point you don't.

What @Rufus conveniently ignores with his question is for what did God choose them? Israel was chosen to be His representative nation in the world and His disciples were chosen to build His Church.

He can only ever see "chosen for salvation" whereas the scripture never speaks of being chosen for salvation. Salvation is always linked to those who believe/receive the Lord God.

 

[Kroogz]

Agree, and confirmed per the below.

[Rom 3:11 KJV] 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

Except for the special,reserved and exalted @rogerg.

 

[Genez]

maybe you may name some good things to say about this sermon, without pointing your finger.

From what I heard so far?
Very good. I agree with what he was saying.

Part of what he said so far is why those walking as he spoke of, will be misunderstood, though still understanding of themselves.

You may be there someday yourself.
But, God needs to expose, and to tear down, what resists and is unwilling to die to personal preferences and liking.
Like trying to change the personality of another to your own liking.

grace and peace.....

 

[sawdust]

Many of which left him as well, they were not seeking salvation they were seeking a king there is a difference

They were seeking salvation which is why they wanted a King, like David, a military man who could defeat his enemies. What they did not understand was the method of salvation that was being presented. When it became clearer, they rejected it.

 

[Kroogz]

The question you had better ask is whether you have an excuse. Because at this point you don't.

This is a fact. None of us have all the right answers and will not explain well enough for some.

But.....The truth of the Lord Jesus Christ died for all sin and salvation is for all....Has been explained well enough for a 1st grader to understand.

No excuse for the calvies.

 

[Genez]

The entire Word of God is inspired by the Living Word, don't you know?

Why don't you know, we do?
And , assume that we do not know?

 

[Kroogz]

The question you had better ask is whether you have an excuse. Because at this point you don't.

I always go back to the day I was saved.

John 3:16. EVERY true believer has to be TAUGHT AND DECEIVED into thinking that the "World" means a select few.
A babe in Christ NEVER thinks the "world" is just him/her and a select few........It has to be a false teacher to deceive that new believer.

The Spirit teaches:
1 John 2:2
and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

 

[Blain]

They were seeking salvation which is why they wanted a King, like David, a military man who could defeat his enemies. What they did not understand was the method of salvation that was being presented. When it became clearer, they rejected it.

They were seeking salvation from the romans not salvation for the kingdom qgich is why they wanted a king like David and rejected Jesus he presented a different salvation

 

[Jordon]

From what I heard so far?
Very good. I agree with what he was saying.

Part of what he said so far is why those walking as he spoke of, will be misunderstood, though still understanding of themselves.

You may be there someday yourself.
But, God needs to expose, and to tear down, what resists and is unwilling to die to personal preferences and liking.
Like trying to change the personality of another to your own liking.

grace and peace.....

just can't help it can you you have to chuck another personal comment at me.

 

[Jordon]

This is also how we run things on Christian forum.net not even the slightest rude or ill mannered remarks are allowed we keep a tight ship. and you know @Lafftur is also a mod on there she does a great job and she would make a good mod on here. But that forum you speak of seems like a lot to handle you need expert level modding for something like that

It's not difficult with sensible drivers lol

No road rage allowed haha, they get the bump otherwise.

 

[Kroogz]

They were seeking salvation which is why they wanted a King, like David, a military man who could defeat his enemies. What they did not understand was the method of salvation that was being presented. When it became clearer, they rejected it.

Hey, God gives us the capacity and understanding for our physical safety. Heck, He even gives us the understanding and capacity for others physical safety.

He just denies us the capacity and understanding of our most important ETERNAL safety.

Sounds STUPID saying it out loud......And the calvies say it over and over and over and over.........

 

[Blain]

It's not difficult with sensible drivers lol

No road rage allowed haha, they get the bump otherwise.

I suppose if they were burning rubber they would be in trouble

 

[sawdust]

They were seeking salvation from the romans not salvation for the kingdom qgich is why they wanted a king like David and rejected Jesus he presented a different salvation

If they were seeking salvation from the Romans why were they looking for a Jewish King? You make no sense. The Jews (in general) hated the Romans. I can assure you, they were not looking at the Romans for salvation.

 

[Kroogz]

This is true Adam did not need saving because he was already in close communion with God he even taught his children to honor God cain and able very much did respect God well cain not so much but yeah this is sound reasoning as far as I can tell

Cain came along. We will see him in the eternal state IMO.

 

[sawdust]

Hey, God gives us the capacity and understanding for our physical safety. Heck, He even gives us the understanding and capacity for others physical safety.

He just denies us the capacity and understanding of our most important ETERNAL safety.

Sounds STUPID saying it out loud......And the calvies say it over and over and over and over.........

As far as they are concerned from what I see, they think morality is spirituality. You can't understand the former unless you can understand the latter.

The Gospel is about right and wrong. Sin is lawlessness, for which Christ died. Anyone can understand lawlessness, if not, the Law would have been completely ineffective in discerning between the two.

If the light is shone (and it is by grace), the choice can be made to accept or reject.

 

[sawdust]

Cain came along. We will see him in the eternal state IMO.

Interesting. What do you base it on?