OH, no you got that all wrong! All doesn't mean ALL.
Check this verse out:
Rom 5:12
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all mankind, because all sinned—
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Check this verse out:
Rom 5:12
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all mankind, because all sinned—
No he is drawing otherwise we would never come to him to begin with. never does it say we draw to him it says he draws us no one comes to him unless the father first draws them
Well the first verse is talking to and about other believers so that one is out the second is vague at best it doesn't talk about salvation itself it is a parable to exokain the kingdom which is like a treasure
"It appeals to your disdain for your fellow man."
I think this is keen observation of yours is what I find most troubling,
it is very true, all those panels and texts (out of context) with a hyper focus on only one aspect of mankind as described in scripture in order to elevate themselves as chosen.They actually believe they are specifically created for salvation and others are not.
They impugn the character of God, He is preferential and becomes not trustworthy.
The entire Word of God is inspired by the Living Word, don't you know? When you make such stupid statements, you unwittingly dismiss the all-importance of Biblical Theology. You care not a whit to how your interpretation squares with the entire counsel of God. This is why your false gospel runs into so many brick walls. Look at how you just glibly and conveniently dichotomized the Word of God, i.e. "statements made by Christ" v. statements made by prophets and apostles -- as though the statements made by these two latter groups are inferior to Jesus'.
Mental myopia will be your downfall!
He's not going to admit what is clearly true of your understanding here, but never mind, what they will do is find a reason to argue
For as sharp as you are, it amazes me that you fall for this and can dupe others into it.
Rom 5:12
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all mankind, because all sinned—
Jhn 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
Ah well if that is the case then why even be in debates such as this? it requires that one musy do it for the sake of learning and being learned if people want to just argue well there is always the CARM forum or reddit
Many of which left him as well, they were not seeking salvation they were seeking a king there is a difference
Sad how they need to protect their special status.
Jesus' entire message was to believe HIM... and people did seek Him out many times.
For me personally I only stayed in this discussion to defend people being unfairly treated, whilst trying to help those who need to see the truth about God's will.
And what I am now is just another Mr nobody
Zacchaeus
Nicodemus:
The Woman at the Well
The Ethiopian Eunuch
The Paralytic Man
Mary Magdalene
And this line is also out of context with no attention paid to the style, mode of expression, voice, etc.,
there is no one who seeks God. 12 All have turned away, they have together ...