Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Jordon]

Two things can be true at once.

Only Jesus states he can't do anything unless he sees the father doing it first,

Which means the fathers draws Jesus seeked

In Spirit it's the same.

They came and seeked because the word was alive spreading though the valleys.

And there where many who came to seek Jesus fed them but it was clear the father hadn't drawn them.

 

[Cameron143]

Yep.

And you seem to be proud of the accommodations that are provided for you.

RF

 

[HeIsHere]

Only Jesus states he can't do anything unless he sees the father doing it first,

Which means the fathers draws Jesus seeked

In Spirit it's the same.

They came and seeked because the word was alive spreading though the valleys.

And there where many who came to seek Jesus fed them but it was clear the father hadn't drawn them.

Already covered, context.

 

[Jordon]

Already covered, context.

Already covered, context.

no its not covering ? it's. the truth

Already covered, context.

covering doesn't work sorry.

 

[cv5]

God draws only those He gave to Christ in eternity. The giving precedes the drawing. The "all men" are those described in Rev 5:9-10, and those described in the Abrahamic Covenant (Gen 22:15-18; 49:10, etc.), and this interpretation fits the context of Jn 12 wherein Jews and Gentiles (Greeks) were seeking Jesus.

Wrong. The motif of the Father giving the Son the Bride has ZERO to do with Calvinism.

In fact this is but one aspect of the Jewish wedding protocol.

You reject this teaching for the same reasons you deny "draw all" and "whosoever".

Calvinists playing with fire IMO.

 

[Genez]

maybe you may name some good things to say about this sermon, without pointing your finger.

I see...
You are still playing class monitor.

"Teacher! Teacher! Bobby was making faces at Mary!"​

What are you doing here?
You think you are a casting director?

 

[Kroogz]

"It appeals to your disdain for your fellow man."

I think this is keen observation of yours is what I find most troubling, it is very true, all those panels and texts (out of context) with a hyper focus on only one aspect of mankind as described in scripture in order to elevate themselves as chosen.

They actually believe they are specifically created for salvation and others are not.

They impugn the character of God, He is preferential and becomes not trustworthy.

@Rufus said:
Why is that? Because God hates sinners, as required by the moral nature of his Love?

@Rufus Said:
You have a serious reading comp problem because all those passages I cited are not teaching what you claim. They are teaching that God hates, loathes, despises unrepentant sinners.

@Rufus said:
C. A large number of explicit texts that teach God hates sinners as well as their sins.

1 Cor 11:1
Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.


They follow the example of a man made theory. Not the example of Christ.


For while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.........

The reformed/calvie/tulip theory? It will have SHAME at His coming.
1 John 2:28
Now, little children, remain in Him, so that when He appears, we may have confidence and not draw back from Him in shame at His coming.

 

[Blain]

For me personally I only stayed in this discussion to defend people being unfairly treated, whilst trying to help those who need to see the truth about God's will.

And what I am now is just another Mr nobody

Good for you it seems that you are here for the right reasons

 

[rogerg]

No he is drawing otherwise we would never come to him to begin with. never does it say we draw to him it says he draws us no one comes to him unless the father first draws them

Agree, and confirmed per the below.

[Rom 3:11 KJV] 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

 

[Blain]

Zacchaeus
Nicodemus:
The Woman at the Well
The Ethiopian Eunuch
The Paralytic Man
Mary Magdalene

yes and all of which were not seeking salvation itself Jesus came to the women at the well not the other way around for instance the eithioian also was not seeking salvation but rather had a request to make of Jesus the paraplytic man desired healing and mary only wished to serve Jesus

 

[Blain]

And this line is also out of context with no attention paid to the style, mode of expression, voice, etc.,

there is no one who seeks God. 12 All have turned away, they have together ...

out of context? is that just a phrase to be thrown around when cannot debunk what was said? how is it out of context?

 

[Jordon]

I see...
You are still playing class monitor.

"Teacher! Teacher! Bobby was making faces at Mary!"​

What are you doing here?
You think you are a casting director?

This is not the way to honour a true brother in Christ, you say he was your pastors teacher and I asked you to comment on his sermon, but you choose to comment on me again as you always do, every post I make you make it personal, every truth I share you mock,

Then you say I'm the hater and dont like you, Im really wondering if your a full shilling.

 

[cv5]

Agree, and confirmed per the below.

[Rom 3:11 KJV] 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

Canned Calvinist willful ignorance on display. This is been rightly exegeted many times.

 

[Blain]

Canned Calvinist willful ignorance on display. This is been rightly exegeted many times.

Umm...what? how in any shape or form is that calvanistic in the slightest?

 

[Jordon]

Canned Calvinist willful ignorance on display. This is been rightly exegeted many times.

Very pleasant of you, a pig has better manners than you.

 

[lrs68]

yes and all of which were not seeking salvation itself Jesus came to the women at the well not the other way around for instance the eithioian also was not seeking salvation but rather had a request to make of Jesus the paraplytic man desired healing and mary only wished to serve Jesus

But look at what their Testimonials did. Each person has persons that only they can reach. No other person can reach them but each person Saved has people within their own inner circle only they can reach that no one else can.

So we see special situations where God approaches a person who then goes to those they know and becomes a witness for God. It's not God going to the other people but the one God came to.

But not everyone God and people He sends to come to God. We see rejection throughout the Bible.

How are people able to reject if they are forced by God to yield?

 

[Jordon]

Umm...what? how in any shape or form is that calvanistic in the slightest?

he doesn't care blain, this is just another question he can throw another insult at

 

[Blain]

But look at what their Testimonials did. Each person has persons that only they can reach. No other person can reach them but each person Saved has people within their own inner circle only they can reach that no one else can.

So we see special situations where God approaches a person who then goes to those they know and becomes a witness for God. It's not God going to the other people but the one God came to.

But not everyone God and people He sends to come to God. We see rejection throughout the Bible.

How are people able to reject if they are forced by God to yield?

They are never forced to yield they are called and they have the option of accepting or rejecting but the key point is that they were first called by God had he never called them they never would seek him man does not seek salvation of their own accord we live by the flesh in that way. many are called few are chosen

 

[Blain]

he doesn't care blain, this is just another question he can throw another insult at

Well that is not very christian of him then is it? And I am sure he cannot back up his insult either seems like a very spiteful response

 

[lrs68]

They are never forced to yield they are called and they have the option of accepting or rejecting but the key point is that they were first called by God had he never called them they never would seek him man does not seek salvation of their own accord we live by the flesh in that way. many are called few are chosen

If you read what you just posted it goes in this order:

1. God approaches the person
2. Person is able to reject or accept
3. If the person accepts they are now the Chosen

Is this correct?