Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Yawn. YOU deal with YOUR bad behaviour and STOP WHINING about the behaviour of others.
as always your not interested, and here you are using caps, you tell people of for using, once again displaying your hypocritical behaviour
 
Nar he asked for it, perversing everthing magenta said on a daily bases

Just how someone who likes to play the victim would respond. "You made me do it."
He apologized, she did not, she doubled down and defended her usual vitriol.
 
Just how someone who likes to play the victim would respond. "You made me do it."
He apologized, she did not, she doubled down and defended her usual vitriol.
err no biblehighlighter constantly referred to magenta as a Calvinist, disregarding her faith everyday, just like you do, which is acting in a perverse manner towards a person.

And just like him you can't take correction, as far as I'm concerned a person who can not take correction and defends that kind of behaviour is a pretend Christian in my book,
 
The belief that belief is enabled of God? This would make the teaching of freewillers the same, yes?

Now, can you answer the question I actually asked?

Balaam was a believer who was used to try to curse the people of Israel.
 
The word is "you're", and your insults only reflect on you.

He is what we used to call when growing up, "a sissy."

Do not bother with him.
His irrationality will only baffle you.
Making you feel that you are the one who is ineffectual in not being able to persuade him of what he refuses to accept and know.
 
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What Job received from God made him worthy of praise from God!

Why?
Evidently....


Job had to choose to accept and receive what God led him into.
Free will choices caused Job to merit favor from God!


Has your dogma blinded you to the obvious?
Can you admit you have been wrong?



"Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge,
but whoever hates correction is stupid.
Proverbs 12:1
And there it is. You are man-.centric. Job didn't merit favor because of his actions. Meriting favor is not grace. All that we have has been given to us. Ipso facto, all is of grace. God, in giving testimony of Job, is giving testimony to what He has done in Job. That's the point of the story. Job's faithfulness isn't the result of Job, but God. In the process, God reveals more of Himself to Job.

The Bible is about God. Why do you make it about men?
 
The word is "you're", and your insults only reflect on you.
Jordon said:
It amazing what you believe at the flick of a switch, in my humble opinion


@Kroogz said:
And you are not here for doctrine. You disrupt, police and whine......change my mind.
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Lots of babies around here that need a good wooden spoon on their behinds.
nope both your ignorances to support and ignore what's going on here is reflection on you,
 
He is what we used to call when growing up, "a sissy."

Do not bother with him.
His irrationality will only baffle you.
Making you feel that you are the one who is ineffectual in not being able to persuade him of what he refuses to accept and know.
He's thrown so much shade at me, I'm surprised he hasn't strained himself. ;)
 
Did Adam and Eve go to Hell for their stupid free will choices? NO!

A disobedient child still remains your child.
As usual you ignore the question. Adam and Eve before sin had free will. Only Jesus since has had free will. You simply didn't want to apply the same logic to freewillers.
 
He is what we used to call when growing up, "a sissy."

Do not bother with him.
His irrationality will only baffle you.
Making you feel that you are the one who is ineffectual in not being able to persuade him of what he refuses to accept and know.


Yes, that has been my conclusion for a while, it is not possible to have a cogent conversation with an higly emotional and/or irrational person.
They are very good at making you feel like it is you, if you let them... gaslighting is their premier skill.
Hmm!:unsure:
 
He's thrown so much shade at me, I'm surprised he hasn't strained himself. ;)
so you support peoples views who see themselves as more superior because they view people as sissies , this doesn't say much for your intellect,

You have have as much intellect as a gold fish, supporting him..
 
so you support peoples views who see themselves as more superior because they view people as sissies , this doesn't say much for your intellect,

You have have as much intellect as a gold fish, supporting him..
Again, your insults only reflect on you.
 
Post 33,300 was submitted by you, Rufus.

I submitted Post 33,298 in response to your Post 33,201.





since "Jesus prayed for TWO (2) groups of people in Jn 17", why did you conflate what is written in John 10 with what is written in John 17 ??? ...

why did you not stay within the context of John 17 to illustrate "that Jesus prayed for TWO (2) groups of people in Jn 17 -- not just one" ???





What is "plain, clear and obvious" is that you conflated what is written in John 10 concerning Jesus speaking to the pharisees after He brought the blind man to faith with what is written in John 17 at the time Jesus was praying to the Father when He was with His 11 apostles just hours prior to His giving Himself up to be taken to His crucifixion.





and no one has to be an original language expert to understand that you conflate Scripture to suit yourself.

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

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Conflate, conflate, conflate. Must be your Top Word of the Month? :rolleyes: I didn't conflate anything. But now that you finally acknowledge that Jesus did in fact pray for TWO (2) groups of people in Jn 17, why do you still marvel that I cited Jesus' Good Shepherd Discourse in Jn 10 to support my argument? In fact, Jesus' prayer was clearly alluding to the second flock he talked about in Jn 10! So how could you see that Jn 10 was totally irrelevant to Jn 17? How can you not see that Jesus prayed for the Gentile Sheep in Jn 17:20-21? :rolleyes: Are you so ignorant of the the scriptures that you don't know that God is the God of the Jews and Gentiles and that He is gathering both of them to be ONE flock united in Christ (Rom 10:12; Eph 3:6, etc.)? And to whom was the Great Commission originally commanded if not to the Jews? And to whom were the Jews supposed to evangelize in keeping with Christ's charge if not the Gentiles?

So...the bottom line is this: Jesus prayed for both flocks of His Father's elect sheep in Jn 17! He did not pray for the non-elect. He prayed specifically and explicitly for all the Father had given to Him in eternity (Jn 17:2, 24).

So, tell me, Ms. RDBD: As a professing believer in Christ, do you consider yourself to be a daughter of Abraham?
 
The Lord Jesus Christ died for all Sin.......I support.

I do not support:
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. So you keep on telling me, but I'm not ignorant like you, so I know what repentance actually entails to be forgiven it means to change, where as you make a Mockery out of the repentance, because your just like the other people here who won't change and falsely miss represent people all the time,

I'm not the one crying or screaming everyday, it you and your crewe who couldn't care less about what his word actually teaches, who start crying blue murder when we quote scripture.

It's almost like his word his murdering you when you and your crewe are told.yhe correct proper understandings.