ALL of Former Life not Remembered?

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We've probably all heard that claim, but what does scripture REALLY say?

Isaiah 65:16-17 KJV — That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes. For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

When assumptions rooted in self-origin beliefs are foisted upon scripture, they sometimes seem plausible but only to the non-critical mind. When reading the context, it's about "troubles" rather than all of our memories from this life. It seems more than implausible that we'll go through Heaven, encounter Jesus and wonder what it is He had done for us in this life here on this earth, and what all His crowns mean. How about this silly scenario:

"How was that crown on your head bestowed?"

The fellow saint then responds with,

"I have no idea?"

After all, if the one being asked that question had a wiped mind of all memories, he won't even be aware that there was anything at all to remember of thi as wiped out. We would all be walking zilches.

It's vastly unlikely our lives here in these bodies of sin and suffering will become like a computer with a wiped memory. This life is how we shape and form our lives everlasting in Christ for who and what we are and ever will be. Our places in Heaven will be established in this life along with the treasures we store up there.

Even Israel, who will inhabit the New Jerusalem on the new earth, they are promised:

Revelation 21:4 — And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

What THINGS are afore mentioned here? Death, sorrow, tears, crying...they are all gone, no longer to influence Israel in the life to co e, but it does t say anything about all memories.

What other things have been pointed out to you about this topic?

MM
 
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A horrific past life can torment a believer.
Paul understood this and disciplined his mind so he could walk in freedom.

Forgetting the past is key to freedom and victory.
 
If memories are taken away after the millennium, it must be either to protects us from an eternity of shame for our ignorant and willful acts of sin or that what is important lies outside our memories, or perhaps both.

The Christian life is supposed to be about the transition from the selfishness of the flesh to the selfless love of Christ demonstrated as we walk by the Spirit.

It may be that what is brought into the eternal state is that of value in serving Jesus more than that which elevates self.
 
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If memories are taken away after the millennium, it must be either to protects us from an eternity of shame for our ignorant and willful acts of sin or that what is important lies outside our memories, or perhaps both.

The Christian life is supposed to be about the transition from the selfishness of the flesh to the selfless love of Christ demonstrated as we walk by the Spirit.

It may be that what is brought into the eternal state is that of value in serving Jesus more than that which elevates self.
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Without the influences of sin in our flesh any longer, those past things should not be a problem.

MM
 
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Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

A person can say that it means troubles will not be remembered, but it states the saints will not remember the former earth and heaven.

Which means that they will not remember the creation before the new heaven and earth.

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire.

This heaven and earth shall be burned up with fire for they have been tainted with sin by the fallen angels for heaven and tainted with sin by people for earth because all sin must be purged with fire.

Which the saints are baptized with the Holy Ghost, and with fire.

It is a place wherein dwelleth righteousness where sin has never been and sin will never be.

Which is why the saints will not remember the former creation for it is associated with sin and rebellion.

Jesus said He makes all things new, the former things are passed away, and it is a place where sin has never been and sin will never be.

But if the saints remember the former creation how are those things going to happen.

The New Jerusalem is a place where sin has never been and sin will never be.

And the saints and angels will not remember anything prior to that but feel they have always been there and nowhere else.

The saints will not remember any person they knew on earth.

Which the glorified body is the same for the saints for there is no gender.

Which is why Jesus said they will not marry in heaven but be like unto the angels which they have no gender.

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

A person can say that it means troubles will not be remembered, but it states the saints will not remember the former earth and heaven.

Which means that they will not remember the creation before the new heaven and earth.
 
I also agree with the general sentiment that having NO memory of the past, makes this whole existence now sort of pointless and denies free will which brought us here at this point which is also the same thing that gives us gratefulness, maturity and growth in order to sacrifice everything here and now so we can be with God later.
When we have discussed this in our Bibles studies the understanding was that we will have a vague memory of the past, like a bad dream, but we won't be like some version of Buddhism philosophy or something similar where you're reborn and have no memory of the past.
 
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tablet123 said:
Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

A person can say that it means troubles will not be remembered, but it states the saints will not remember the former earth and heaven.
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I go by the context rather than to isolate verses from their contexts to try and make them say what fits with my pre-conceptions and bias. Dont get me wrong, we all can believe what we want, but for me to go with your rules for interpretation, I would need a far more compelling foundation than to see it as subjective.

Which means that they will not remember the creation before the new heaven and earth.
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I simply remain unconvinced, even given those other passages you quoted that have nothing to do with memories in everlasting life.

MM
 
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Musicmaster said:
We've probably all heard that claim, but what does scripture REALLY say?

Isaiah 65:16-17 KJV — That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes. For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

When assumptions rooted in self-origin beliefs are foisted upon scripture, they sometimes seem plausible but only to the non-critical mind. When reading the context, it's about "troubles" rather than all of our memories from this life. It seems more than implausible that we'll go through Heaven, encounter Jesus and wonder what it is He had done for us in this life here on this earth, and what all His crowns mean. How about this silly scenario:

"How was that crown on your head bestowed?"

The fellow saint then responds with,

"I have no idea?"

After all, if the one being asked that question had a wiped mind of all memories, he won't even be aware that there was anything at all to remember of thi as wiped out. We would all be walking zilches.

It's vastly unlikely our lives here in these bodies of sin and suffering will become like a computer with a wiped memory. This life is how we shape and form our lives everlasting in Christ for who and what we are and ever will be. Our places in Heaven will be established in this life along with the treasures we store up there.

Even Israel, who will inhabit the New Jerusalem on the new earth, they are promised:

Revelation 21:4 — And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

What THINGS are afore mentioned here? Death, sorrow, tears, crying...they are all gone, no longer to influence Israel in the life to co e, but it does t say anything about all memories.

What other things have been pointed out to you about this topic?

MM
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Thank you, deep insight. God seriously, sincerely takes care of us, presently and forever in love and mercy given us all.
So, today is the day to choose God over it all and be new in love and mercy to all too
Thank you I hear Music, "Music man"
 
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It says our former troubles will not be remembered. It doesn't say nothing will be remembered.
 
Musicmaster said:
I go by the context rather than to isolate verses from their contexts to try and make them say what fits with my pre-conceptions and bias. Dont get me wrong, we all can believe what we want, but for me to go with your rules for interpretation, I would need a far more compelling foundation than to see it as subjective.



I simply remain unconvinced, even given those other passages you quoted that have nothing to do with memories in everlasting life.

MM
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Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

It states God will create a new heaven and earth and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Which the former that shall not be remembered, nor come into mind is this heaven and earth.

So how can we have memories if we will not know about this earth.

To have memories you will have to know about this earth which a saint will not.

The saints will not remember this earth for it is associated with sin and rebellion.
 
Musicmaster said:
We've probably all heard that claim, but what does scripture REALLY say?

Isaiah 65:16-17 KJV — That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes. For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

When assumptions rooted in self-origin beliefs are foisted upon scripture, they sometimes seem plausible but only to the non-critical mind. When reading the context, it's about "troubles" rather than all of our memories from this life. It seems more than implausible that we'll go through Heaven, encounter Jesus and wonder what it is He had done for us in this life here on this earth, and what all His crowns mean. How about this silly scenario:

"How was that crown on your head bestowed?"

The fellow saint then responds with,

"I have no idea?"

After all, if the one being asked that question had a wiped mind of all memories, he won't even be aware that there was anything at all to remember of thi as wiped out. We would all be walking zilches.

It's vastly unlikely our lives here in these bodies of sin and suffering will become like a computer with a wiped memory. This life is how we shape and form our lives everlasting in Christ for who and what we are and ever will be. Our places in Heaven will be established in this life along with the treasures we store up there.

Even Israel, who will inhabit the New Jerusalem on the new earth, they are promised:

Revelation 21:4 — And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

What THINGS are afore mentioned here? Death, sorrow, tears, crying...they are all gone, no longer to influence Israel in the life to co e, but it does t say anything about all memories.

What other things have been pointed out to you about this topic?

MM
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We will have our memories still. We will have no record of sin in our book of Life. God does not remember our sins, they are removed. If God does not record our sins, Why should we? On the other hand, we also are the representatives of Lord Jesus in this life. What we do that is motivated and empowered by Him is eternal. So for sure the fruit of our lives will remain. This is to the glory of God.
 
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tablet123 said:
Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

It states God will create a new heaven and earth and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Which the former that shall not be remembered, nor come into mind is this heaven and earth.

So how can we have memories if we will not know about this earth.

To have memories you will have to know about this earth which a saint will not.

The saints will not remember this earth for it is associated with sin and rebellion.
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We can remember our lives here without the earth itself. When I forge friendships with friends and love with my spouse and children and give to meet the needs of others and storing up treasures in Heaven from a life lived in service to God and others, this earth and the old Heaven, the place many will never visit before the creation of the new, dont you see the falacy in yournquestion? Your question is rendered not at all a proof for total memory wipe.

Again, isolating verses from their contexts is the practice of groups like Mormons and Jehovahs Witnesses, and I would hope that we all avoid the very types of practices that we reject from them. Does that make sense?

MM
 
Going even further, to the point made in scripture quoted above, not remembering in Heaven this fallen earth and corrupted Heavens, remembering the effects of sin upon this earth with its tornadic destructions, earthquakes, massive floods and earth slides, volcanic chaos, drought, pestilence and disease...none of those things of this world will be of value to our remembrance in the new Heaven where we of the body of Christ will dwell everlastingly.

The current Heaven is corrupted by the presence of the fallen angels still at their assigned posts, but will be kicked out in the middle of the tribulation, and that corruption will have to be dealt with through destruction and renewal for it to remain a dwelling place for the body of Christ.

MM
 
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It says our former troubles will not be remembered. It doesn't say nothing will be remembered.
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good point, I remember everything presently. All things are now past and taken out of the way by Father through risen Son for me. I can now learn from all mistakes made and see willingly not to do them anymore and see truthfully, when I still do what I do not want to do anymore, and did it anyways, (Romans 7) I saw it waxing away(Hebrews 8) God teaching me new, takes bad out of the way to not condemn me anymore or anyone else either (Romans 8:1-3), seeing to not harm others anymore. Even those that love to fight in their flesh natures as I did in past, now, thanking God for taking them away at the cross in Son for us all. Then over time in me, working that through me, not ever giving up on me to see and Willingly agree with God is the only one good as Jesus said in Matthew 19, that no flesh can please God, with man it is impossible, with God Father all things are possible! Three the cross and the resurrection, the way, the truth and new life offered everyone to choose, thank you
So that is done, Son went to that cross to reconcile, forgive us all through his Shed blood, once for us all John 1:29
John 19:30. Time to believe God you think? I, now know and thank God forever more in risen Son where new life that no other flesh can fathom ever, to me at east, thank you God seeks John 4:23-24 beleive God see from God and be new in God
Isaiah 6:1-7
 
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good point, I remember everything presently. All things are now past and taken out of the way by Father through risen Son for me. I can now learn from all mistakes made and see willingly not to do them anymore and see truthfully, when I still do what I do not want to do anymore, and did it anyways, (Romans 7) I saw it waxing away(Hebrews 8) God teaching me new, takes bad out of the way to not condemn me anymore or anyone else either (Romans 8:1-3), seeing to not harm others anymore. Even those that love to fight in their flesh natures as I did in past, now, thanking God for taking them away at the cross in Son for us all. Then over time in me, working that through me, not ever giving up on me to see and Willingly agree with God is the only one good as Jesus said in Matthew 19, that no flesh can please God, with man it is impossible, with God Father all things are possible! Three the cross and the resurrection, the way, the truth and new life offered everyone to choose, thank you
So that is done, Son went to that cross to reconcile, forgive us all through his Shed blood, once for us all John 1:29
John 19:30. Time to believe God you think? I, now know and thank God forever more in risen Son where new life that no other flesh can fathom ever, to me at east, thank you God seeks John 4:23-24 beleive God see from God and be new in God
Isaiah 6:1-7
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Musing these past few days about Satan and the angels who chose the side of sin, they never had an experience as we have now...living in weakness and total reliance upon the Lord. Satan was created as the highest of the created beings in the Heavenlies and as the most powerful of all created spirits, and so he had never been tested, and had never tasted of weakness before his fall. His perspective was rooted only in his position at that time as the most beautiful of all created beings. As an unredeemable being, he is a creature rooted in the course he has chosen, a slave to his own lusts, hate, envy, pride, et al.

They will ALL be cast out of Heaven in the middle of the tribulation and confined upon the earth...thus the murderous rage against mankind within the constraints the Lord places upon Satan and his princes. That is when he will demand the taking of the mark and worship of his beast man of sin.

This world has no clue what's coming...

MM
 
Musicmaster said:
Musing these past few days about Satan and the angels who chose the side of sin, they never had an experience as we have now...living in weakness and total reliance upon the Lord. Satan was created as the highest of the created beings in the Heavenlies and as the most powerful of all created spirits, and so he had never been tested, and had never tasted of weakness before his fall. His perspective was rooted only in his position at that time as the most beautiful of all created beings. As an unredeemable being, he is a creature rooted in the course he has chosen, a slave to his own lusts, hate, envy, pride, et al.

They will ALL be cast out of Heaven in the middle of the tribulation and confined upon the earth...thus the murderous rage against mankind within the constraints the Lord places upon Satan and his princes. That is when he will demand the taking of the mark and worship of his beast man of sin.

This world has no clue what's coming...

MM[/QUOTE

Well said, I know this as we have posted about, being here when that time happens. I would be honored if called by God to be here and not take the mark, to be in that wilderness as in Rev 12 and help others to not take the mark during that time

I saw this in a much younger age. I saw a man being totured, tied up, and he would not deny Father and Jesus, was told to take the mark. Even had that man's wife and kids in front of him. Showing they got her and the kids tied up in front of a burning oil pit, threatening to throw them all in
So take the mark they said and we will let them go.

I watched the man state to his wife and kids, Honey see you in a minute. It is through death physically we see new in the kingdom.
Wow, woe is me. This is why I am willing to be here in the days of revelations, depends on Father's call, not mine. There are 144.000 first chosen Jews 12,000 out of each tribe to stop others from taking the mark, and not ever forcefully. I think that be why the earth opened up and swallowed the fire of the dragon in Rev 12. Then I see it is was time to get people ready to go to death willingly, the same as Jesus did first
Will we do that willingly, understanding Jesus overcame death first for us John 16:33?
Thank you MM for being a believer and I see will not quit either. I do see why you do not want to be here, during the time rev becomes real. I do know as well you do have the faith to do as led by Father in risen Son as well. I think you for being willing to Father not self and or others
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