No I don't. I believe God saved me by the work of Christ and made that known to me.
Romans 10:17, a courtroom haearing?
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And what are your responsibilities? Can you practice any behavior you want and and still be saved?
Because they don't hear in the biblical sense. So I'll ask again: what is biblical hearing?
As a Christian I am no longer my own. So I am to glorify God in my body and spirit. But I'm not saved by this. I do so because Christ is living in me.
I didn't make up the term, but it is seen in scripture. In Matthew 13, Jesus quotes Isaiah 6. He tells the disciples that they hear and understand and see and perceive because it is given to them. Others, according to Jesus, do not because it is not given to them. Biblical hearing comes with understanding.
Is saying "I am no longer my own" your way of saying you have no responsibilites? It's all God's responsibility now?
No. I have a responsibility to submit to the leading of the Spirit, and pursue God with all my heart, among many things.
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Biblical hearing comes from having the mind of Christ. That connection, that conscious contact with Christ.
The Spirit of Christ, the mind of Christ, that connection is by Grace "through faith." The application of " through faith" being "pisteuo" in the Greek. Defined as "a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. "
Pursuing God, and submitting to the leading of His spirit are inevitable accompaniments of being His.
I haven't heard alot of your understandings yet Cameron , so I'm looking forward to that. The members your discussing with here are on my ignore list so I'm only reading your posts. When your done maybe we could test each other's understandings.
Biblical hearing comes from having the mind of Christ. That connection, that conscious contact with Christ.
The Spirit of Christ, the mind of Christ, that connection is by Grace "through faith." The application of " through faith" being "pisteuo" in the Greek. Defined as "a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. "
Pursuing God, and submitting to the leading of His spirit are inevitable accompaniments of being His.
I haven't heard alot of your understandings yet Cameron , so I'm looking forward to that. The members your discussing with here are on my ignore list so I'm only reading your posts. When your done maybe we could test each other's understandings.
Maybe we could start here?
Salvation is by Grace Through faith.
Grace is the unmerited, free gift we recieve, "through faith".
I'm going to bump the A,B,Cs, of faith thread, and put it on the table for you to see and ask questions about if you have any.
That's not what it says. Salvation is the free gift, which is given by God's grace through our faith
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Ephesians 2:8
Good catch. I had to read his statement two or three times to read what he said accurately. It's funny how my brain just filled in the correct phraseology.
Then you should have caught where through faith was changed to through our faith.
It is obvious that it pleases God to save people who believe...
For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. (1 Co 1:21)
People who believe are saved. He is equally agreeable not to save those who don't believe. But this wasn't my point. My point was "our" isn't in the verse. It was placed into the verse. This causes a reading of scripture that isn't present in the word of God.
Your line of reasoning would preclude any reasonable understanding of Ephesians 2:8 because if it is wrong to assign faith to the subjects of salvation, it is equally wrong to assign "faith" to the one who saves. However, the verse demands that we ascribe faith to people and not to the Lord who saves, not only because of context (see 1:13 and 1:15 for example), but also because the one who saves does not need faith to save people from His wrath.