Apologetics: witnessing to atheists

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If every answer is rejected and the standard keeps changing, the problem is not the evidence. It’s the person demanding an ever-expanding burden of proof. No courtroom, historical inquiry, or scientific discipline operates that way. Even detectives recognize when questioning stops being investigatory and becomes obstructionist.

We read the description of this same mindset in Romans 1. It’s not a lack of evidence, but a suppression of it. This is why Scripture does not place the burden on the Christian to defeat every possible objection. At some point, continuing to pile up objections is no longer intellectual honesty…it is evasion.

When someone endlessly moves from one alleged contradiction to another—never allowing any answer to count—that reveals something important. It reveals resistance. At that point, the issue is no longer evidence, but the will.
 
Even if I was a skeptic of the resurrection or the supernatural, I would still have questions that could not be legitimately answered unless the resurrection had actually occurred the way the Bible says it does.
 
Just because many modern scholars or historians label a point in the New Testament as a “contradiction” doesn’t mean it truly is one. It may simply reflect incomplete knowledge, assumptions about Roman or Jewish practices, or a lack of attention to cultural context. In fact, we have seen this happen in science: for a long time, the prevailing view was that the universe had no beginning. Then evidence accumulated leading to the recognition of it having a beginning.

Similarly, alleged historical discrepancies in Scripture are reconciled as we better understand the historical, cultural, and legal realities of first-century Judaism, Roman governance, or the practices of early Christians.

Absence of current consensus is not proof of inaccuracy. History, like a legal case, must be judged on the totality of the evidence, not on selected points that seem confusing at first glance.

I remember that sometime shortly after I got saved, I read an article in a Christian magazine claiming that the KJV, the Bible, contained an error. The article pointed to (1 Kings 4:26), which states that Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses, and then contrasted it with (2 Chronicles 9:25), which states that he had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots.

At the time, I was shocked. For a few moments, I felt a sinking feeling in my stomach. A sudden thought crossed my mind that maybe the Bible was in error, and if so, maybe it was not true after all. However, almost instantly, the Spirit of God came upon me and reminded me of the love, joy, and peace I had never known before accepting Jesus Christ as my Savior. I then said something to the Lord along these lines: “Lord, I do not have an answer for this right now, but I trust that if it is Your will, You will explain this in Your timing.”

About a decade later, God answered that prayer. By what seemed like a chance encounter, I stumbled across a Christian apologetics website that explained this issue clearly and beautifully. God answered my prayer just as He answered my prayer for a Christian wife, even though that one took two decades of waiting. In both cases, He answered in His perfect time.

My point is this. When a person sincerely asks God, truly seeks truth, and waits upon the Lord in faith, however long that waiting may be, God does answer. God is faithful, and God is good.

To see the apologetic explanation of (1 Kings 4:26) in light of (2 Chronicles 9:25), you can check out my free PDF here, if you are interested:


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If you did not see it, here is my defense of the Trinity in the KJV:
(I updated the title of this PDF and the manuscript evidence for the Comma to be more accurate to my recent findings;
Nick Sayers believes Codex Britannicus is not the same as minuscule 61 (GA 61) of which I place as footnoted link in the writeup).

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https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/0ge1...ey=r4bq682qkmbroke6yg5c405k3&st=h93cnojt&dl=0

Side Note: If you have trouble accessing the file via my Dropbox link, do not use the Google sign in feature, but login with your normal username and password.

To check out my larger free PDFs, go to www.affectionsabove.com.


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I remember that sometime shortly after I got saved, I read an article in a Christian magazine claiming that the KJV, the Bible, contained an error. The article pointed to (1 Kings 4:26), which states that Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses, and then contrasted it with (2 Chronicles 9:25), which states that he had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots.

At the time, I was shocked. For a few moments, I felt a sinking feeling in my stomach. A sudden thought crossed my mind that maybe the Bible was in error, and if so, maybe it was not true after all. However, almost instantly, the Spirit of God came upon me and reminded me of the love, joy, and peace I had never known before accepting Jesus Christ as my Savior. I then said something to the Lord along these lines: “Lord, I do not have an answer for this right now, but I trust that if it is Your will, You will explain this in Your timing.”

About a decade later, God answered that prayer. By what seemed like a chance encounter, I stumbled across a Christian apologetics website that explained this issue clearly and beautifully. God answered my prayer just as He answered my prayer for a Christian wife, even though that one took two decades of waiting. In both cases, He answered in His perfect time.

My point is this. When a person sincerely asks God, truly seeks truth, and waits upon the Lord in faith, however long that waiting may be, God does answer. God is faithful, and God is good.

To see the apologetic explanation of (1 Kings 4:26) in light of (2 Chronicles 9:25), you can check out my free PDF here, if you are interested:


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https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/vd2z...ey=htwpbzso45czpgu7gjlpn8ue1&st=cvppixqy&dl=0

If you did not see it, here is my defense of the Trinity in the KJV:
(I updated the title of this PDF and the manuscript evidence for the Comma to be more accurate to my recent findings;
Nick Sayers believes Codex Britannicus is not the same as minuscule 61 (GA 61) of which I place as footnoted link in the writeup).

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https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/0ge1...ey=r4bq682qkmbroke6yg5c405k3&st=h93cnojt&dl=0

Side Note: If you have trouble accessing the file via my Dropbox link, do not use the Google sign in feature, but login with your normal username and password.

To check out my larger free PDFs, go to www.affectionsabove.com.


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😊 your story gives me hope concerning finding someone. Even if I don’t get married, perhaps the Lord will bless me with friend of the opposite sex who ends becoming like a sister or best friend to me. Your comment will help someone to always seek and to never allow doubt to have the victory, and to always know there is an answer. Whether we find it or not…either we will, or someone else has already.
 
😊 your story gives me hope concerning finding someone. Even if I don’t get married, perhaps the Lord will bless me with friend of the opposite sex who ends becoming like a sister or best friend to me. Your comment will help someone to always seek and to never allow doubt to have the victory, and to always know there is an answer. Whether we find it or not…either we will, or someone else has already.

It's a matter of faith, my brother, if you desire it.
I knew there was somebody out there for me and I believed God would answer in His timing.
I met my wife half around the world through a Christian dating site.


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I'm an atheist / agnostic.
I am open to good arguments for God's existance. Unfortunately, that is not enough for me to become a christian.

Arguments must be posted and argued hard; why the christian God is the "real God".
So good luck and please post.
 
I'm an atheist / agnostic.
I am open to good arguments for God's existance. Unfortunately, that is not enough for me to become a christian.

Arguments must be posted and argued hard; why the christian God is the "real God".
So good luck and please post.

When I look back on my time as an atheist, I honestly do not remember having any deep arguments or well thought out reasons for what I believed.

That period was the late 1980s into about 1990. It was a very different world then. We still had VHS rental stores, and there was no internet access for the average person unless you were an academic or worked for the government. Information was limited, and serious discussion on these topics was not nearly as accessible as it is today.

Looking back now, I can see that I believed many things over the years that simply were not true. Atheism was one of them. From where I stand today, it seems no more reasonable than believing the earth is flat. I say that without personal offense intended. It is simply the conclusion I have reached after what I have learned and experienced since becoming a Christian in 1992.

Some may say I was deceived because my life was radically changed and I experienced a love, joy, and peace I had never known before when I accepted Jesus Christ as my Savior. Others may say I was deceived because I believe God has spoken to me repeatedly through His Word and through real life circumstances that were far too specific and meaningful to dismiss as coincidence. Others may say I was simply fortunate when God answered major prayers in my life. And finally, some may say I was deluded because, after becoming a Christian, I encountered real demonic activity. I understand those objections. I just do not find them convincing in light of the totality of what I have lived through.

When you step back and look honestly, Christianity intersects with archaeology, geology, science, ethics, history, and even biblical numerics. You could choose just one of these areas and spend a lifetime studying it. There is a reason Christianity has been attacked and persecuted more than any other belief system throughout history. Attacks happen where value exists. Banks are robbed because they contain something worth taking. In the same way, the believer is attacked because Jesus Christ, the most precious treasure who has ever lived, dwells within those who have been genuinely changed by His grace and who seek to live a sanctified life.

All one has to do is follow Christian news regularly to see both the wide range of attacks against Christians and the many real life testimonies of God’s miraculous work taking place today. These things are not confined to ancient history or distant lands. They are happening now, in the real world, among ordinary people.

Take biblical numerics. If someone understands statistical probability, they should recognize that the patterns found in the King James Bible and documented by Brandon Peterson cannot reasonably be explained as random chance. No other book does this on the same level. None. Even some Christians say that the same biblical patterns found in the King James Bible also occur in other books and therefore are not anything special. However, they do not put their money where their mouth is by offering any actual proof.

They offer no proof. Ever. What is usually brought up instead is Ivan Panin, a Russian mathematician known for his work in numerics. However, Panin openly adjusted and selected Greek readings in order to make his numerical system work. In other words, the text was shaped to serve the numerics, rather than the numerics arising naturally from a fixed and received text. That approach stands in sharp contrast to the King James Bible, where the numerics appear within an established text that was not altered to accommodate them.

That leaves two possibilities for the amazing biblical numerics in the KJV: deliberate design by man or deliberate design by God. When the historical process of the 1611 translation and the later standardization of the Pure Cambridge Edition is examined, deliberate human manipulation through numerics becomes highly unlikely. There is no historical evidence that the translators were engaged in such practices.

When I was younger, I once came across a book about ghosts. In it, someone described a personal encounter with what they believed was a ghost, and one detail stood out to me even then. They said the room was filled with the smell of brimstone. Many years later, I watched a television program where a man was giving his testimony about what he believed was an alien encounter. He described how this being, commonly described as the popular grey alien, entered his bedroom, and once again the same detail appeared. He said he smelled brimstone. Now, I do not know about you, but the Bible speaks very clearly about brimstone.

At another time, I remember listening to a pastor talk about how owls are sometimes associated with demons in Scripture. At the time, I was skeptical and largely dismissed it. It did not resonate with me, and I tuned it out. Then, several months later, I saw the trailer for The Fourth Kind. In that trailer, I watched as the black, almond shaped eyes of an owl visually transitioned into the black, almond shaped eyes associated with the well known grey aliens. Meaning, these aliens were demons and they were associated with the owls. After all, the trailer appeared to show that these people were being possessed by these aliens, that is, demons.

Coincidence. There is that word again. How many coincidences are we supposed to accept before at least considering another explanation.

This raises another serious question. Why would spirits instruct a man deeply involved in spiritism not to use the Received Text, the Greek text that underlies the King James Bible. In contrast to this text, many modern Bible translations are based on Greek texts that introduce doctrinal problems. Most people involved in the Modern Bible Movement are either unaware of these issues or tend to downplay them.

Johannes Greber was heavily involved in spiritism, which Scripture clearly condemns. He testified that spirits instructed him not to use the Textus Receptus. He then produced a translation based on what is commonly called the Critical Text, the same textual stream used by many modern translations today. Historically, the Critical Text movement traces back to Westcott and Hort, who associated closely with theological liberals such as the Unitarian George Vance Smith. Greber’s translation later became favored within spiritualist and New Age circles that identify as Christian. Scripture warns against contacting spirits, so Greber’s spiritual influences were not from God. The question remains, why would these spirits specifically warn him away from the Textus Receptus. The answer seems clear.

Some may scoff, mock, or attempt to dismiss my experiences with God. That is their choice. I am also not interested in arguing evidence in a hostile or combative way, because that approach rarely convinces anyone. Evidence alone does not force belief. A person must be genuinely open to truth and willing to investigate honestly. But if someone is already committed to rejecting God because they prefer their own darkness, then truth will always feel inconvenient to them.

We see this same pattern in other areas of life. People deeply invested in destructive ideologies often reject evidence that contradicts their worldview. They reinterpret facts to preserve beliefs they have already embraced. America was founded on Christian principles, and those foundations are increasingly under attack. That is not accidental. Attacks focus on what has value.

Look at the condition of many school systems today. Parents who care deeply about their children are increasingly concerned about what their kids are being exposed to at very young ages. When the Bible, particularly the King James Bible, once held a central place in education, moral boundaries were clearer. Children were allowed to be children, without being burdened by adult issues before their time.

I believe we are living in the last days. Scripture is clear that a time comes when every person must choose. Repentance and humility before the Lord Jesus Christ, who is God Almighty, or standing before Him having rejected His truth. That reality is sobering, but it is also hopeful, because God’s mercy is still available.

That is all I am going to say unless someone is openly desiring the truth. If the expectation is that I must aggressively fight over every point I have raised, that is not something I find rational, nor do I believe it will convince anyone.

Do we have to argue endlessly to convince people that the earth is a globe or that we are human. To me, debating matters that are as foundational as the ones I have mentioned is much the same.

Christianity is not a blind faith. However, at the end of the day, a person must take a step of faith in order to truly see. Until then, there is little point in fighting if one refuses to take that first step and acknowledge that God loves you and suffered greatly for you and for your sin. Think about that. If you knew someone who loved you enough to die for you, would you not at least be willing to hear them out. That is where the Bible comes in. This is where calling upon Jesus Christ and asking Him to help you see the truth comes in.

Once you do, you will see.

"For ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."
(John 8:32)

"If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed."
(John 8:36)

"Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son."
(Colossians 1:13)



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Christianity is not a blind faith. However, at the end of the day, a person must take a step of faith in order to truly see. Until then, there is little point in fighting if one refuses to take that first step and acknowledge that God loves you and suffered greatly for you and for your sin.

Thank you for your profound answer to my request !
I read it with great interest, but however; I see no reason to change my view of life because of it.
Neverhteless; thank you for your interest into these matters.
 
Thank you for your profound answer to my request !
I read it with great interest, but however; I see no reason to change my view of life because of it.
Neverhteless; thank you for your interest into these matters.

Not sure how you can rationalize away my experiences, and the evidences I mentioned, but okay.
Are you truly looking for evidence to truly convince you to come to the faith or are you just saying, "Yeah, I know you have experiences, and evidence, and its good, or okay but it is not enough for me to change because I don't want to change."

Is that what you are saying?
Or are you really looking for that piece of evidence or evidences that will push you enough to believe in Jesus?

Did you ever watch the movie, the "Case for Christ"?
Did you look into Lee Strobel books and see what led him to conclude what he did?




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Are you truly looking for evidence to truly convince you to come to the faith or are you just saying, "Yeah, I know you have experiences, and evidence, and its good, or okay but it is not enough for me to change because I don't want to change."

To put it very simple:
I cannot base the whole of my life of claims of experiences that, for instance, you have. If you think that I am wrong about this, I will most appreciate your arguments.
 
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Even if I was a skeptic of the resurrection or the supernatural, I would still have questions that could not be legitimately answered unless the resurrection had actually occurred the way the Bible says it does.

Yes, we need to doubt our doubts.
 
To put it very simple:
I cannot base the whole of my life of claims of experiences that, for instance, you have. If you think that I am wrong about this, I will most appreciate your arguments.

If not mine, there are others.


Granted, while this is a movie, it is based on a true story.
In real life, the kid in the movie really died.
He came back through prayer and his the impossibility or unlikelihood of his coming out of the coma were also true.

Note: The atheist fire-fighter of the story who heard a voice to tell him to go back does not appear to be true and it was added to the book and film. But the point of the movie is God does miracles. A Christian in Australia I have talked with for some time has told me had prayed for somebody's legs to be healed and they got up and walked. I believe him because he is not the kind of person to make up stories. if you ever watched his channel. He defends the Textus Receptus and the King James Bible and gets deep into the textual issues. He also used to be an atheist and he almost was killed by other men until he asked God to help save him. When he accepted Jesus Christ, his dark room at night had lit up.


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To put it very simple:
I cannot base the whole of my life of claims of experiences that, for instance, you have. If you think that I am wrong about this, I will most appreciate your arguments.

I remember a Christian I talked with on the forums a long while back. He used to be a part of something like SWAT. He was about to take out what he believe was one of his targets, but something held him back that he could not explain. He could not pull the trigger. Later, when they captured this person that was his target, this person led them to Christ. There are all kinds of stories that are amazing like this. Many Christians have a God story that is just awesome. Why? Because the Lord our God is awesome.



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To put it very simple:
I cannot base the whole of my life of claims of experiences that, for instance, you have. If you think that I am wrong about this, I will most appreciate your arguments.

For me, God softened my heart with Christian women before I accepted Christ.
I had a crush on three women over the years. All of them were Christian (one of them my wife).
I asked myself at the time, what makes these women so special? They are different. They are not like other women.
It's because Christ had changed their life, just like Jesus did for me, and many others.



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I grew up in a liberal Christian home, and later became an atheist because of my Science teacher in my teenage years. It was love that ultimately guided me back and softened my heart to be open to the truth in accepting the gospel message in the Chick tract,
“This Was Your Life,” in 1992.

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When I accepted Jesus as my Savior, it was like a light had gone on inside me, and I received a love, a peace, and a joy that I had never known before. I radically changed and wanted everyone to feel the same way.

Nick Sayers in Australia, who runs a Textus Receptus / KJV YouTube channel (Revolution Debates), has an even more amazing testimony. He used to be an atheist, as well. He was also involved in a really rough gang or group that was dangerous.
When certain people were looking to kill him physically, he cried out to God for help.
The night that he accepted Jesus as his Savior in a dark room, he actually had seen the room light up.
He said it was an amazing experience or transformation for him. His life was changed just like mine.

Granted, I don't think an atheist can just go in and test the waters and expect the same experiences that we had. I believe these occurrences have to happen naturally in God's timing and drawing.

Side Note:
To see Nick's most relevant videos involving the Bible topic on his channel, click the "Live" button in the top button listings on his main channel page.e
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I was raised by loving parents who attended a Southern Baptist Church, and as a senior in high school it was disconcerting when the daughter of a missionary became and atheist and when I learned that my favorite teacher had been a preacher but was now agnostic. All I learned from attending church was how to become a Christian, not how to answer the skeptics and remain a Christian. The claims of super-Christians to have miraculous experiences also added to my doubts. Finally, I read the textus receptus/NEB from cover to cover and found answers for myself, including "we walk by faith, not by sight/proof/from miracle to miracle".

The Chick tracts made some good points, but my favorite tract is "The Answer", by Student Discipleship Ministries, 2005.
My parents walked the walk more than they talked the talk, but eventually I asked my mechanical engineer dad why he was a Christian, and his answer was "because it is the best belief", and that is my experience also.
 
Here are some Christian films for everyone here to check out:

Side Note:
Heaven’s war is not perfect, but it does have a good message and some good actions scenes.
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And let's not forget my favorite Christian movie and song by the Newsboys, "God's Not Dead".
 
I have looked into the evidence of Christianity…I have looked into the reliability of the Bible…I have also looked into other world religions….I have written or put together articles about all of that. Only one worldview or belief system is has the kind of cumulative case that the God of the Bible and the worldview of Christianity has. No other deity or religious scripture is supported by the kind of cumulative case —legal, philosophical, verifiable, testable, prophetical.

The choices involved in making the second watershed decision (the ground of meaning/morality) correspond to the following questions: For a humanist, “Is there any reason I should not be selfish?” [No/Yes, depending on how you feel or what the rulers decree or how the majority votes.] For a karmaist, “Does how I live ultimately matter?” [Not unless you can remember previous lives.] For a naturalist, “Does instinct negate volition? [If not, then why is evil/hatred not equally right or existentially lawful?] And for a theist, “What does God desire?” [That depends upon what message or revelation is from God.]

Which option and opinion is best or most true? Answering this question involves understanding how truth is acquired (epistemology). Some knowledge is gleaned directly from personal experiences and is available to all who seek to know the truth with an open mind (like Socrates or Buddha) by means of reflecting or meditating on experiences logically. The apostle Paul indicated the world reveals God’s “invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature” (Rom. 1:20) and that conscience indicates “the requirements of the law” (Rom. 2:15).

A second possible way of obtaining knowledge is by learning from the insights or inspiration of others. Divinely inspired knowledge was claimed by Jesus (in John 14:9-11), Paul (in Gal. 1:11-12 & Tit. 1:1-3). Insights could be a combination of reflection and inspiration, perhaps taught by God’s indwelling Spirit, who Jesus said would “guide you into all truth” (John 16:13).

The problem for truthseekers is evaluating the various teachers or claimants to knowledge, especially when their messages are contradictory. In my opinion humanism provides no hope for ultimate “oughtness”, because there is no logical way to avoid moral relativism without a superhuman Judge. Karmaism offers a rationale for reincarnation, but I have explained why I view it as incredible. Naturalism does not even provide a rationale for morality/the UMI, but rather it implies that what is, is right. However, I do find reasons to believe NT theism is true.

While conducting a comprehensive comparison of theistic religions is not my desire, I think any open-minded truthseeker who compares the NT teachings of Jesus and Paul with the founding scriptures of other religions will reach the same conclusion as I have: The NT is the most credible canon or collection of writings purporting to be a communique from God. The NT hope for heaven is based on evidence in support of Jesus’ claim to be Messiah/Christ, which includes: the prophecy or foreshadowing of His life (in various OT scriptures, including IS 53 and PS 22, and by the sacrificial system), the purpose of His death (as explained in the NT, such as Heb. 7:18-10:18), and the probability or credibility of His resurrection (in history as recorded by the last chapters of the Gospels and Rom. 1:3-4).

Christianity qualified OT theism, which emphasized God’s love for some people (descendants of Abraham), with a UMI to love everyone by reflecting His love, beginning with God and continuing with one-self and one’s neighbors (whether Jew or Gentile) and even including one’s enemies (per Matt. 22:37-39 & 5:44). The best reason to hope in God is Christ.
 
I was raised by loving parents who attended a Southern Baptist Church, and as a senior in high school it was disconcerting when the daughter of a missionary became and atheist and when I learned that my favorite teacher had been a preacher but was now agnostic. All I learned from attending church was how to become a Christian, not how to answer the skeptics and remain a Christian.

Sorry to hear that. But as you know God has a plan in everything by the people that are in our life.

You said:
The claims of super-Christians to have miraculous experiences also added to my doubts.

I believe miracles can and have happened in the lives of Christians but I am not Charismatic or Pentecostal.
I definitely do not seek after miracles (Although I believe God is capable of such if He desires to do them according to His will).
I do tend to lean more towards Cessationism but I do leave room for mystery (just in case I am wrong).
Nick Sayers is the first Christian who I actually trust that has told me two miraculous accounts in his life.
He is moderating my debate this coming February (Lord willing).

You said:
Finally, I read the textus receptus/NEB from cover to cover and found answers for myself, including "we walk by faith,

The NEB translation is a Critical Text Bible.

You said:
The Chick tracts made some good points, but my favorite tract is "The Answer", by Student Discipleship Ministries, 2005.

I remember getting a tract with just only words and I could not read it.
Seeing, I grew up with comics, I could not resist reading the tract I received from Chick tracts.
Granted, I do not agree with all of their tracts.

You said:
My parents walked the walk more than they talked the talk, but eventually I asked my mechanical engineer dad why he was a Christian, and his answer was "because it is the best belief", and that is my experience also.

I am glad to hear you had a good father to guide you. That is really a huge blessing for sure.

May the Lord Jesus bless you greatly this fine day.



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If every answer is rejected and the standard keeps changing, the problem is not the evidence. It’s the person demanding an ever-expanding burden of proof. No courtroom, historical inquiry, or scientific discipline operates that way. Even detectives recognize when questioning stops being investigatory and becomes obstructionist.

We read the description of this same mindset in Romans 1. It’s not a lack of evidence, but a suppression of it. This is why Scripture does not place the burden on the Christian to defeat every possible objection. At some point, continuing to pile up objections is no longer intellectual honesty…it is evasion.

When someone endlessly moves from one alleged contradiction to another—never allowing any answer to count—that reveals something important. It reveals resistance. At that point, the issue is no longer evidence, but the will.

Yes, MFW.