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Someone once said "facts are stubborn things", the video is full of facts for people who care to hear them. I don't fight this battle to change the Antisemitism gangs mind, they've already embraced the lies. No, I post these facts for people who don't know the truth. And I will stand with the speaker in the video and say again, Hamas are terrorists and liars, there is no genocide being committed in Gaza. Period. Anyone telling you it is is flat out lying or believing propaganda. Listen to the video.

 
Hamas are terrorists and liars, there is no genocide being committed in Gaza. Period. Anyone telling you it is is flat out lying or believing propaganda.

Exactly.

The devil hates the Jews and has been seeking to destroy them for centuries and it's continuing in modern times.
 
So the Old Testament saints are our brothers in Christ.
He is the living temple and the true king of true Israel.
It is a spiritual kingdom.

Every verse that you just quoted is about the kingdom of Christ, and not a single one of them is about modern Israel.
Yet we have heard words like "temple", "household of God", "Covenants of promise", "commonwealth of Israel" and "Zion".
All this attributed to Jesus, and those who are found faithful in Him regardless of their ancestry.
This should make us read the Old Testament in a different light.

Nowhere in these verses do I find a directive to displace Palestinians because of their inferior ancestry, or to support Modern Zionism on account of it's claim to be the "household of God" of Ephesians 2:19.

And these old testament saints as you described them did war against many others in and around gaza. In fact God had called them to war against them. So what does that mean.
Judgment begins in the house of the Lord. At war with his people is war with God.
Don't try to paint the picture of peaceful Palestinians and Israeli terrorists it is not the case and you know it.
Day one of the return....war with surrounding nations.
I believe that God controls everything, that Israel or any other nation or people
do not superseded God. He can stop the war at any time, question is why hasn't he? His people are getting alot of bad press for this.
The world seems to be against Israel . Why ?
 
Exactly.

The devil hates the Jews and has been seeking to destroy them for centuries and it's continuing in modern times.

Fyi, the devil lost, in fact he never really stood a chance.
The Jews brought forth the Messiah and their role is completed.
 
And these old testament saints as you described them did war against many others in and around gaza. In fact God had called them to war against them. So what does that mean.
Judgment begins in the house of the Lord. At war with his people is war with God.
Don't try to paint the picture of peaceful Palestinians and Israeli terrorists it is not the case and you know it.
Day one of the return....war with surrounding nations.
I believe that God controls everything, that Israel or any other nation or people
do not superseded God. He can stop the war at any time, question is why hasn't he? His people are getting alot of bad press for this.
The world seems to be against Israel . Why ?

Your faith gets subverted when you think God has a people that is not of faith.
 
Someone once said "facts are stubborn things", the video is full of facts for people who care to hear them. I don't fight this battle to change the Antisemitism gangs mind, they've already embraced the lies. No, I post these facts for people who don't know the truth. And I will stand with the speaker in the video and say again, Hamas are terrorists and liars, there is no genocide being committed in Gaza. Period. Anyone telling you it is is flat out lying or believing propaganda. Listen to the video.


Since Catholics/ Eastern Orthodox are not to be believed, even when they have first hand experience, can we discount him as well, for having a husband?
 
Since Catholics/ Eastern Orthodox

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A little church history lesson...

After World War II, there was a significant shift in Catholic and Protestant views on replacement theology (Supersessionism), moving away from historical anti-Judaism and supersessionist ideas toward greater appreciation for Judaism, partly due to the Holocaust's horror, leading to official Catholic documents like Nostra Aetate (1965) rejecting supersessionism and Protestants developing stronger dialogues, though debate continues, with some evangelicals still holding supersessionist views while many mainline Protestants embrace "fulfillment" or "New Israel" theology but reject supersession's anti-Semitic roots.

Pre-War: Supersessionism (the Church replacing Israel as God's chosen people) was widely held, contributing to historical Christian anti-Judaism.
  • Post-War (Vatican II): The Holocaust exposed the deadly consequences of this theology. Nostra Aetate (1965) formally rejected supersessionism, stating the Church doesn't replace Israel and affirming the spiritual patrimony of Judaism, opening doors for reconciliation and dialogue.
  • Mainline Protestants: Many denominations (Lutherans, Methodists, Presbyterians) moved away from strict supersessionism, embracing the idea that God's covenant with Israel remains, often using "fulfillment" theology (Christ fulfills the Law) rather than "replacement".
  • Evangelical/Fundamentalist Protestants: Some evangelical groups retain strong supersessionist beliefs, seeing the Church as the new Israel, but even here, post-Holocaust reflection has spurred internal debates and calls for greater Jewish-Christian understanding.


Eastern Orthodox

While the term "replacement theology" (supersessionism) wasn't always used, different views existed, but the postwar era saw a strong push to define Orthodoxy on its own terms, distinct from Western formulations that often replaced Israel with the Church.
  • Some Orthodox churches have more recently explicitly rejected supersessionist ideas, emphasizing continuity with the Old Covenant and Israel.
In essence, the shift wasn't a formal "recantation" of a single doctrine but a broad theological renewal that redefined Orthodox identity, indirectly pushing back against supersessionist interpretations prevalent in some Western traditions.
 
122123311414123 th time it has been stated here that NO ONE BELIEVES THAT.
To be clear, are you agreeing that John Hagee is a heretic? Are you saying that you accept that there is only one way of salvation - through Christ Jesus - for Jews and Gentiles? (Because that's not what I read in your posts, and your response here doesn't really seem like an outright rejection of the heresy which believes that Jews may be saved via other means than by God's grace through faith in Christ).
 
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T (Because that's not what I read in your posts, and your response here doesn't really seem like an outright rejection of the heresy which believes that Jews may be saved via other means than by God's grace through faith in Christ).

Comment above is clear, I have always been clear.
 
@HeIsHere


A little church history lesson...

After World War II, there was a significant shift in Catholic and Protestant views on replacement theology (Supersessionism), moving away from historical anti-Judaism and supersessionist ideas toward greater appreciation for Judaism, partly due to the Holocaust's horror, leading to official Catholic documents like Nostra Aetate (1965) rejecting supersessionism and Protestants developing stronger dialogues, though debate continues, with some evangelicals still holding supersessionist views while many mainline Protestants embrace "fulfillment" or "New Israel" theology but reject supersession's anti-Semitic roots.

Pre-War: Supersessionism (the Church replacing Israel as God's chosen people) was widely held, contributing to historical Christian anti-Judaism.
  • Post-War (Vatican II): The Holocaust exposed the deadly consequences of this theology. Nostra Aetate (1965) formally rejected supersessionism, stating the Church doesn't replace Israel and affirming the spiritual patrimony of Judaism, opening doors for reconciliation and dialogue.
  • Mainline Protestants: Many denominations (Lutherans, Methodists, Presbyterians) moved away from strict supersessionism, embracing the idea that God's covenant with Israel remains, often using "fulfillment" theology (Christ fulfills the Law) rather than "replacement".
  • Evangelical/Fundamentalist Protestants: Some evangelical groups retain strong supersessionist beliefs, seeing the Church as the new Israel, but even here, post-Holocaust reflection has spurred internal debates and calls for greater Jewish-Christian understanding.


Eastern Orthodox

While the term "replacement theology" (supersessionism) wasn't always used, different views existed, but the postwar era saw a strong push to define Orthodoxy on its own terms, distinct from Western formulations that often replaced Israel with the Church.
  • Some Orthodox churches have more recently explicitly rejected supersessionist ideas, emphasizing continuity with the Old Covenant and Israel.
In essence, the shift wasn't a formal "recantation" of a single doctrine but a broad theological renewal that redefined Orthodox identity, indirectly pushing back against supersessionist interpretations prevalent in some Western traditions.


Not relevant.
 
Not relevant.
These people pontificating on the holocaust get so annoying to me, given that there is a legitimate genocide occurring in real time, worse than the holocaust from nearly a century ago these have made into a sort of religion - and being committed by those these people are supporting, and using their own heretical theology as justification - yet they insist on actual holocaust denial. Disgusting.

And everything they say is lies. "Replacement theology" - absolutely the opposite. Christ united Jews and Gentiles - One in Christ Jesus - yet these people call it "replacement".
 
To be clear, are you agreeing that John Hagee is a heretic? Are you saying that you accept that there is only one way of salvation - through Christ Jesus - for Jews and Gentiles? (Because that's not what I read in your posts, and your response here doesn't really seem like an outright rejection of the heresy which believes that Jews may be saved via other means than by God's grace through faith in Christ).

It is a huge problem.
While obviously Hagee is wrong, he is somewhat consistent, he has followed this faulty doctrine to its logical conclusion.

If one asserts Jews have the same plan of salvation, then really they have same tyrannical Calvinist God who has kept them blinded for 2000 + years with no opportunity for salvation, generation upon generation.

And in this midst of this, some think it is wrong to try to convert Jews, others do evangelize to them still thinking they are blind, but on the off chance one does respond, seems like one big dispensational mess.
 
It is a huge problem.
While obviously Hagee is wrong, he is somewhat consistent, he has followed this faulty doctrine to its logical conclusion.

If one asserts Jews have the same plan of salvation, then really they have same tyrannical Calvinist God who has kept them blinded for 2000 + years with no opportunity for salvation, generation upon generation.

And in this midst of this, some think it is wrong to try to convert Jews, others do evangelize to them still thinking they are blind, but on the off chance one does respond, seems like one big dispensational mess.
I didn't realise it was Calvinism behind Hagee's heresy. But it absolutely makes sense. Thanks for enlightening us. :)
 
Can someone please show scripture where God says ....because you have broken the covenant i will not regather you in the land of your fathers. .......or .....because of the covenant breaking you have lost your land promise and are forsaken?

Show me scripture where its prophetic that a false Israel will rise in the last days.
Show me scripture where a nation born in one day is not God's doing.
 
More nonsense. Your continued aversion to make a simple statement condemning heresy makes your defense of the sacred cows of heretics easier to understand.


Hey, calling yourself by a kings name, doesn't make you a king! Here or anywhere else. I abide by the rules and I have said what I believe and never wavered so you can :censored:
 
Can someone please show scripture where God says ....because you have broken the covenant i will not regather you in the land of your fathers. .......or .....because of the covenant breaking you have lost your land promise and are forsaken?

Show me scripture where its prophetic that a false Israel will rise in the last days.
Show me scripture where a nation born in one day is not God's doing.
This is a logical fallacy. The burden of proof is on the one making the claim to prove it, not on the one rejecting the claim to disprove it.

Scripture also doesn't talk of an America being formed, but it nonetheless happened. If you want to claim (like the Mormon's do) that America is God's promised land - the burden of proof is on the claimant to prove, not on everyone else to disprove. The same logic applies to the modern state of Israel.
 
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