Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[HeIsHere]

Then you would conclude wrongly! Your logic is totally skewed; for there is a third option that you conveniently overlook: The saints' Federal Head is the only one who totally merited the salvation of all God's elect for whom He died.

Now answer my question that you ducked: As a professing Christian, do you consider yourself worthy of God's saving grace?

You guys, always with he loaded questions thinking you can trap people, I stopped making that mistake a long while ago.

 

[Jordon]

you must yield yourself, Jordon ... you present yourself to God ...

Romans 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

The word "yield" is translated from the Greek word paristēmi (from para "to place beside" or "by"; and histemi "to set") ... to place beside or near; to present; to place a person at one's disposal.

Under the Old Covenant, the worshiper presented an unblemished animal sacrifice to God.

Under the New Covenant, the worshiper is to present him or herself to God as a living sacrifice (Rom 12:1).

We either place ourselves at the disposal of unrighteousness unto sin or we place ourselves at the disposal of righteousness unto God.

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The word is alive and active

 

[Genez]

absolutely zero conviction in your post, none nada, your just a silly monkey

That is the game you play when exposed for what you are.

You don't realize?

That when you lie against Scripture, that you are lying against the mind of Christ?

And, it doesn't phase you in the least.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

interesting his word says I will give a new heart of flesh ? And you will be saved,

Err I wonder will you seperated the flesh and the soul now ?

And I will quote John 1:13 as much as I like its his written word, it's shame you make out it's not.

John 1:12=13 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

the term "not of blood" refers to lineage ... iow, just because a person can trace his or her lineage back to Jacob, this does not mean he or she is a child of God.

the term "the will of the flesh" refers to reproduction ... iow, just because a born again father and a born again mother have a child, that child is not automatically a child of God. A child who has a believing parent is sanctified by God (1 Cor 7:14). However, once the child is of age, the child is to believe for him or herself.

the term "the will of man" refers to a person's desire ... iow, a person may desire to be a child of God, but there is only one way ... and that is through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ ...

those who place their faith buddha ... those who place their faith in evolution ... those who place their faith in paganism (many gods/goddesses) ... these are not children of God, even though they want to be.

Anyhoo happy New year's

hope/pray God blesses you richly each and every day!!!

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[reneweddaybyday]

The word is alive and active

yes ...

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

the word "quick" is translated from the Greek word zaō which means life ... the word of God is life.

the word "powerful" is translated from the greek word energēs which means energizing ... the word of God is energizing.

In Romans 1:16 we read that the gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation to those to believe.

When someone does not believe ... the gospel of Christ is still the power of God unto salvation ... it just does not enliven or energize the one who suppress the truth in unrighteousness.

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[Rufus]

Quoted in part from RDBD's 33,330:

reneweddaybyday said:yes you do! ... you limit the inestimable value of the sacrifice/offering of the Lamb ... the offering of the Lord Jesus Christ is more than sufficient to cover the sin of all mankind ... all descendants of Adam.

God's love encompasses the whole world ... the whosoevers receive the gift ...

John 3:16-17
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

The text above does not teach that God loves each and every person in the world in the distributive sense; You are reading that into the passage! There are NUMEROUS other texts that outfight contradict your lame interpretation.

First, neither the Father, the Son or the Israelites themselves ever considered the covenant nation of Israel to be part of the world per the following: Lev 20:24-26; Num 16:21; 23:8-9; Deut 4:19-20; 7:1-11; 9:1-6; 11:22-25; 32:8-9; Josh 23:6-13; Ezra 9:1-2; 10:11; Neh 13:1-3; Jn 4:9, 27; 18:28-29; Acts 10:28; 11:1-3; Rom 11:11-12; 2 Cor 6:14-18; Gal 2:12-13; Eph 2:11-13; 1Jn 2:2; 5:18-19. Therefore, the "world" cannot be understood in the distributive sense, since Israel would have to be included in it. There can be NO exceptions!

Secondly, God explicitly and conditionally loves only certain kinds of people. God loves believers, God-fearers, the righteous, the just and those who love His Son per the following: Ex 20:5-6; Ps 32:10; 37:28; 86:5; 103:11, 17; 146:8; Jn 14 21, 23; 15:10; 16:27 Now, give me one explicit passage in scripture that teaches that God loves the wicked!

Thirdly, in regard to the wicked, there are also numerous explicit scriptures that teach that God hates, despises, loathes or detests them. The following passages complement the ones above: Lev 26:30; Deut 25:15; Job 21:22; Ps 5:5-6; 11:5; 15:1-5; 73:18-20; 95:10-11; 106:40; 107:40; Prov 3:32; 6:16-19; 11:20; 2Chron 19:2; Isa 66:24; Jer 12:8; 16:5; Lam 2:6-7; Hos 9:15; Nah 1:14; Mal 1:2-3; Dan 12:2; Mat 7:23; Rom 9:13.

Lastly, since God's love is moral in nature, then all the Law and the Prophets are hinged upon the Two Greatest Commandments in Scripture (Mat 22:34-40). Therefore, It's not possible for a thrice holy God to love what is evil; and men's hearts are filled with iniquity!

Now go and refute all this biblical evidence that sinks your Santa Claus-type god which you have created in your own image.

 

[Jordon]

That is the game you play when exposed for what you are.

You don't realize?

That when you lie against Scripture, that you are lying against the mind of Christ?

And, it doesn't phase you in the least.

more accusations.

 

[Jordon]

John 1:12=13 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

the term "not of blood" refers to lineage ... iow, just because a person can trace his or her lineage back to Jacob, this does not mean he or she is a child of God.

the term "the will of the flesh" refers to reproduction ... iow, just because a born again father and a born again mother have a child, that child is not automatically a child of God. A child who has a believing parent is sanctified by God (1 Cor 7:14). However, once the child is of age, the child is to believe for him or herself.

the term "the will of man" refers to a person's desire ... iow, a person may desire to be a child of God, but there is only one way ... and that is through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ ...

those who place their faith buddha ... those who place their faith in evolution ... those who place their faith in paganism (many gods/goddesses) ... these are not children of God, even though they want to be.





hope/pray God blesses you richly each and every day!!!

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the term you can not be saved by the will of the flesh means you can't be saved by your choice,

 

[Jordon]

That is the game you play when exposed for what you are.

You don't realize?

That when you lie against Scripture, that you are lying against the mind of Christ?

And, it doesn't phase you in the least.

those who don't have conviction do not have God

 

[Rufus]

Rufus said:


First, God's saving grace is limited to the humble, per numerous scriptures.

RDBD asked in her 33,300:

How "humble" were you before you believed the gospel of Christ, which is the power of God unto salvation?

It appears you have absolutely no understanding of the biblical doctrines of of the Mystical Union of Christ or his Federal Headship. To answer your question, though: I was PERFECTLY HUMBLE IN CHRIST. As part of his Body, I was as eternally humble as my Head. Got it now? (Rhetorical question, since you obviously don't want to understand these doctrines for obvious reasons.)

 

[sawdust]

I can because God is the keeper of time, all time and all life is his.

All time is in Gods hands including yours

Psalms 31:15

States the believer realises God's sovereign control over there Journey and that God holds there destiny, devine Providence means God will intervene, and has a devine purpose and plan for everything.

You think because you have a brain.
You make a choice because you have brain, you put your choice into action because you have will. All of which without God in your heart is dependent on your own nature, which may feel right to that person, but unless God is there in there hearts it makes no difference to God what choice they make.

Just as I thought, no details of how things actually work.

My nature is human, don't know what yours is.

Have a nice day mate.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Quoted in part from RDBD's 33,330:

The text above does not teach that God loves each and every person in the world in the distributive sense; You are reading that into the passage! There are NUMEROUS other texts that outfight contradict your lame interpretation.

First, neither the Father, the Son or the Israelites themselves ever considered the covenant nation of Israel to be part of the world per the following: Lev 20:24-26; Num 16:21; 23:8-9; Deut 4:19-20; 7:1-11; 9:1-6; 11:22-25; 32:8-9; Josh 23:6-13; Ezra 9:1-2; 10:11; Neh 13:1-3; Jn 4:9, 27; 18:28-29; Acts 10:28; 11:1-3; Rom 11:11-12; 2 Cor 6:14-18; Gal 2:12-13; Eph 2:11-13; 1Jn 2:2; 5:18-19. Therefore, the "world" cannot be understood in the distributive sense, since Israel would have to be included in it. There can be NO exceptions!

Secondly, God explicitly and conditionally loves only certain kinds of people. God loves believers, God-fearers, the righteous, the just and those who love His Son per the following: Ex 20:5-6; Ps 32:10; 37:28; 86:5; 103:11, 17; 146:8; Jn 14 21, 23; 15:10; 16:27 Now, give me one explicit passage in scripture that teaches that God loves the wicked!

Thirdly, in regard to the wicked, there are also numerous explicit scriptures that teach that God hates, despises, loathes or detests them. The following passages complement the ones above: Lev 26:30; Deut 25:15; Job 21:22; Ps 5:5-6; 11:5; 15:1-5; 73:18-20; 95:10-11; 106:40; 107:40; Prov 3:32; 6:16-19; 11:20; 2Chron 19:2; Isa 66:24; Jer 12:8; 16:5; Lam 2:6-7; Hos 9:15; Nah 1:14; Mal 1:2-3; Dan 12:2; Mat 7:23; Rom 9:13.

Lastly, since God's love is moral in nature, then all the Law and the Prophets are hinged upon the Two Greatest Commandments in Scripture (Mat 22:34-40). Therefore, It's not possible for a thrice holy God to love what is evil; and men's hearts are filled with iniquity!

Now go and refute all this biblical evidence that sinks your Santa Claus-type god which you have created in your own image.

Rufus said:

First, God's saving grace is limited to the humble, per numerous scriptures.
It appears you have absolutely no understanding of the biblical doctrines of of the Mystical Union of Christ or his Federal Headship. To answer your question, though: I was PERFECTLY HUMBLE IN CHRIST. As part of his Body, I was as eternally humble as my Head. Got it now? (Rhetorical question, since you obviously don't want to understand these doctrines for obvious reasons.)

The Honorable Sir Rufus theme song ...

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[sawdust]

the term you can not be saved by the will of the flesh means you can't be saved by your choice,

No it doesn't. Go read it in various translations. Nothing to do with making choices.

 

[sawdust]

those who don't have conviction do not have God

Conviction in and of itself means nothing. Only conviction of the truth will set one free, all other convictions will keep one bound.

 

[Rufus]

You guys, always with he loaded questions thinking you can trap people, I stopped making that mistake a long while ago.

Since you can't be transparent and answer a simple question with an honest, straightforward answer, then I'm left to infer from your non-answer that you consider yourself worthy of God's saving grace. Since FWT is deeply rooted in Pride, I'm not surprised at all at your reluctance to answer honestly.

 

[Rufus]

The Honorable Sir Rufus theme song ...

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So now you're playing the role of the devil's jokester, are you? Your inane reply just magically refutes all the scriptures I cited in my 33,306?

 

[Jordon]

No it doesn't. Go read it in various translations. Nothing to do with making choices.

Conviction in and of itself means nothing. Only conviction of the truth will set one free, all other convictions will keep one bound.

Just as I thought, no details of how things actually work.

My nature is human, don't know what yours is.

Have a nice day mate.

all your opinion. Which is just consistent with disagreeing for disagreement sake, to suit yourself.

I'm not playing your games, you need to grow up

 

[Jordon]

yes ...

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

the word "quick" is translated from the Greek word zaō which means life ... the word of God is life.

the word "powerful" is translated from the greek word energēs which means energizing ... the word of God is energizing.

In Romans 1:16 we read that the gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation to those to believe.

When someone does not believe ... the gospel of Christ is still the power of God unto salvation ... it just does not enliven or energize the one who suppress the truth in unrighteousness.

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correct so when a scripture writes to yield yourself it's coming from his alive and active word in them

 

[Jordon]

John 1:12=13 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

the term "not of blood" refers to lineage ... iow, just because a person can trace his or her lineage back to Jacob, this does not mean he or she is a child of God.

the term "the will of the flesh" refers to reproduction ... iow, just because a born again father and a born again mother have a child, that child is not automatically a child of God. A child who has a believing parent is sanctified by God (1 Cor 7:14). However, once the child is of age, the child is to believe for him or herself.

the term "the will of man" refers to a person's desire ... iow, a person may desire to be a child of God, but there is only one way ... and that is through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ ...

those who place their faith buddha ... those who place their faith in evolution ... those who place their faith in paganism (many gods/goddesses) ... these are not children of God, even though they want to be.





hope/pray God blesses you richly each and every day!!!

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hoping is good, but really what hope does a person have when they can't give a caring person the recognition they deserve. Seems to me magenta has been very caring here to many people for a long time, and what recognition do the mockers here give her on Christmas eve Christmas day, new years eve and new years day,

Well the same old disgusting recognition actually, I would say that's pretty sad, how about you ?

 

[reneweddaybyday]

So now you're playing the role of the devil's jokester, are you?

nope ... just revealing your insistence that it's your way or the highway.

Your inane reply just magically refutes all the scriptures I cited in my 33,306?

your reply in 33,306 does not refute anything posted in 33,298.

you veer away from the point concerning the inestimable value of the offering of the Lord Jesus Christ and its sufficiency to cover the sin of all mankind ... all descendants of Adam ...

you veer away from the point concerning the breadth, length, depth, and height of God's incomprehensible love ...

you veer away from what is written in John 17 ... what the Lord Jesus Christ taught His apostles on the very night He allowed Himself to be taken to be crucified ... to conflate it with what is written in John 10 ... what the Lord Jesus Christ taught the pharisees who overheard Him speak to the blind man He had just led to faith ...

you veer away from the fact that what I believe does not equal my having "perverted" anything written in Scripture ...

your continuous reverting back to your same ole, same ole "talking points" due to your inability to engage in meaningful dialogue is duly noted.

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