The basis for Osas is covenant.
In your replacement doctrine, God never made the first covenant.
Iow , you omit the sonship of the prodigal son, and he can no longer return, because you say so.
The misleading use of 'Gentile'. All nations on earth are Goyim.
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The basis for Osas is covenant.
In your replacement doctrine, God never made the first covenant.
Iow , you omit the sonship of the prodigal son, and he can no longer return, because you say so.
Now this is a good way of putting it, that I haven't thought of that way. It's simple Scripture saying that a remnant of natural Israel is and shall be saved, which as you rightly say means only a remnant. A remnant being saved is not all being saved.
Rom 11:1
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin…Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Thanks much for your observation.
Exactly again:
There is no promise in Scripture, that all of natural Israel has never been, nor ever shall be justified with the God of Israel on earth, at any one time. The disobedience and rebellion of some unbelieving Israelites began in the wilderness, even at the mount Horeb, while Moses was receiving the 10 commandments.
Deu 9:12
And the LORD said unto me, Arise, get thee down quickly from hence; for thy people which thou hast brought forth out of Egypt have corrupted themselves; they are quickly turned aside out of the way which I commanded them; they have made them a molten image.
Heb 3:17
But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness? And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
And also with the crucifixion and resurrection of the God of Israel, many continued and remain in unbelief, beginning with their own leaders:
Act 5:27
And when they had brought them, they set them before the council: and the high priest asked them, Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us....and when they had called the apostles, and beaten them, they commanded that they should not speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go.
Rom 2:28
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
We can say the same of the other nations, that only a remnant are and shall be saved by Jesus Christ. Not because God is not willing to save all nations and peoples, for Christ died for the sins of all, both Jew and Greek, but not all repent to have faith in Him, whether the Jews or the Greeks...
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Any teaching/prophecy that all natural Israelite/Jews will someday all be saved on earth, is no more true than all people on the earth being saved at one time. Not even during the Lord's Millennium with all people be saved, including the Jews, where some will be circumcised outwardly, but not inwardly by the Spirit of the Lord:
Eze 44:9
Thus saith the Lord GOD; No children, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any child that is among the children of Israel.
The Lord does not come again to save all nations on earth, but to receive His people to Himself, both Jew and Greek, and judge all nations between His sheep and the nations' goats, both Jew and Greek.
Rom 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Hellene; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Hellene...For there is no respect of persons with God.
I'd be glad to clarify:
Gentile is not just a grammatical translation from the Latin for nations. Rather, it's a bastardized evolutionary adaptation of an old Jewish redefinition of nations, 'The Goyim'. Therefore, using 'Gentiles' for nations (goyim/ethnoi) in Scripture, is an artificially inserted theology about nations, specifically vs the Jews.
Gentiles does not simply mean 'non-Jews, but rather means no-God, as in being Gentile to God, as in heathen against God. It's a false natural theology based upon natural birth, where 'Gentiles' are naturally born without God, while only the Israeli-Jews are born with covenant of God.
By natural birth alone: All Gentiles are born-heathen to God, while all Israeli Jews are the born covenant-people of God.
Historical, doctrinal, prophetic history of Goyim/Gentiles:
The word 'Goyim' for nations in the Bible was redefined by latter Jewish leadership, during the Scriptural years of silence after Malachi. Goyim no longer simply meant nations, as in the Bible, but was redefined to men non-Jews. which makes Jews non-Goyim. They removes themselves from the The Goyim of the earth, as though they are not one of the goyim on earth.
The Goyim are all strangers to God by natural birth, while the Israeli Jews are all friends of God by natural seed of Abraham...
It's the rejection of Scripture's revelation of divine theology, where favor and covenant with God is only by birth after the Spirit through faith toward God, and never ever by any natural birth of any natural person or nation on earth:
Jhn 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name. Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Jhn 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Gal 3:7
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Gal 4:28
Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise….born after the Spirit.
Latter Christian leaders likewise, after Revelation, began to adopt this prejudicial insult of The Goyim to themselves, by calling themselves The Gentiles, The Nations, that leading Jews declared they were no longer part of after Malachi.
Just as those Jews styled themselves non-Goyim, so these Christians style themselves as natural born Gentiles to God. Which is made far worse, when theologically applying it to the one holy nation and body of the risen God of Israel, Jesus Christ, by calling themselves Christian Gentiles, and not Christian Jews.
Not only is is theological schism and segregation in the risen Lamb's Israel of God, but by redefinition and adoption of Goyim/Gentile, they are saying that non-Jewish Christians are still Gentile to God, heathen without God.
With God in Scripture, there is no theology of Goyim/Gentile. No one is a naturally born Gentile, nor is anyone non-Goyim by natural birth. But rather by the word of God, all are born of the same one flesh and blood of all people and nations on earth, whether Greek, Parthian, Jew, British, Romanian...
Act 17:24
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
All nations on earth are goyim created by God, whose set boundaries include the goy of Israel. A Jewish tradition of calling all non-Jewish nations goyim, does not make that Jewish nation 'non-goyim'. And a Christian tradition of calling themselves non-Jewish gentile, does not make those non-Jews 'Gentile'.
Especially not Christian Gentiles vs Christian Jews. Natural covenant and segregation theology by birth, is only man's religion made by men, for the will of men, and of the flesh...
Exactly. However, Gentiles is not understood as simple non-Jews. Not by the old leading Jews and Christians that preach it, as also being non-God by natural birth...The first redefining of goyim was as non-covenant people by natural birth.
Culturally, it can be treated as a neutral simplifier between one nation and all others, where pride of national heritage, can be for any nation on earth. Such as being British, Afghani, Brazilian, Greek, or not.
But the redefinition of Goyim and it's follower Gentile, was and is theological natural religion against the pure religion of God; Where the favored covenant people are by natural birth, and not only by birth of the Spirit alone through faith toward God.
Act 17:24
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
That perverted tradition was in fact a primary reason for rejecting Jesus as Messiah; Who preached Scripture confirming, that the natural blood and seed of Abraham was the same for all nations on earth, and only by the faith of Abraham after the Spirit, can any person become children of Abraham and born sons of God:
Luk 3:8
Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Gal 3:7
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Rom 9:6
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Gal 4:28
Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise….born after the Spirit.
The old lie of any nation and people being especially favored and covenanted with God by natural seed, as opposed to the seed of all other people, is theological natural eugenics.
I would disagree if anyone considered Jews part of any other nation in the Bible even though they are a nation. The same for considering the Greeks part of any other nation, or the Scythian, or the Ethiopian, or the Egyptian...
Being 'The Nations', 'The Goyim', 'The Gentiles' was not created having only to do with not being the Jewish nation, but rather was theologically made for The Nations/Goyim/Gentiles not being the covenant nation and people of God by natural birth.
Not taking part in the sins of other nations, as Scripture commands for God's nation and holy people, is not what the Jewish leaders began preaching between Malachi and Christ. They preached a new definition for The Goyim of nations, as being by natural birth non-Jews and non-God. The began their own natural theology of Israeli-Jews being born the covenant nation and people of God, by natural seed of Abraham.
Luk 3:8
Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Rom 9:6
Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Gal 3:7
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Gal 4:28
Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise….born after the Spirit.
The non-Goyim Jewish leaders rejected John the Baptist, and Jesus as Messiah (and of course the Jewish traitor and apostate Saul surnamed Paul), for rejecting their newly established unscriptural tradition of being the chosen covenant people of God by birth, unlike The Nations/Goyim/Gentiles being the naturally born strangers to God.
It is impossible to understand primary reason for rejecting the Son of God, and the gospel of one nation in the risen Christ Jesus, if anyone keeps separating covenant Jews from 'Gentiles' by birth:
Jhn 11:51
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation; And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
And especially segregating Jews from 'Gentiles' in the body of Christ:
1Co 3:4
For while one saith, I am of Paul (the Jew); and another, I am of Apollos (the Gentile); are ye not carnal?
I don't know anything about the origin of the word 'gentile', because it's not in the Bible; but I appreciate the distinction you're making regarding its occurrence in the text of Scripture. It seems that 'nations' is a more literal translation, where 'gentiles' (and probably 'heathen' also) is more interpretive on the part of the translators. I now like substituting 'nations' for 'gentiles' when I read it in Scripture (thanks to you). However, contexts seem to usually imply "other" nations when contrasted with Israel or Jews.
ATG is corrupting "Jew" and "Gentiles".
Most likely for replacement theology.
I can think of no other reason to invest so heavily in a rabbit trail.
Nor does right interpretation come from man, but from the Spirit:
Jhn 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Correct.
2Pe 1:20
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
The Scripture does not say there is no interpretation of Scripture. Nor does it say that there is only one personal interpretation of Scripture.
It says that all Scripture is from God:
2 Pe 1:21
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
And that prophecying/preaching Scripture must be Scripture from God, and not only one's own private interpretation thereof: I.e. Scripture must first prove the interpretation is right, before teaching it as Scripture.
Having personal interpretations of Scripture is not wrong, but preaching them as Scripture can certainly be wrong. The warning is not about having interpretations, but about preaching them...
We can have many private interpretations of Scripture, but we can only preach an interpretation, if Scripture proves it.
People preaching their personal interpretations of Scripture, without Bible proof that it is so, are preaching their own personal opinions as Scripture of God. That's why Scripture also warns us to always go to Scripture, in order to prove such interpretations are indeed truth from God, rather than just personal prophecies, doctrine, and opinions of man:
Act 17:11
These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
God Himself does explain every word of His to us, by all His words to us: Scripture rightly interprets Scripture.
If any personal interpretation of Scripture, is proven by other Scriptures saying the same thing, then it is right interpretation, that can be taught as Scripture.
Deu 19:15
At the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
If any personal interpretation of Scripture, is disproven by any other Scripture, then it is false interpretation, that cannot be taught as Scripture, but can only be taught as false doctrine against scripture.
2Pe 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
While the Bible itself is indeed the doctrine of God and Christ, not all Bible needs interpretation, nor interpretive translation:
Gen 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
It's because of unnecessary 'interpretation, that people make themselves transgressors of God's plain words, that need no interpretation...
Translations of doctrine of God, will of course be doctrinal; however, translations changing the words of God, are not just translation, but are doctrinal error.
Gen 3:4
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Translating goyim/ethnoi to 'Gentile', is both a grammatical lie, and doctrinal error. It's an erroneous doctrine from a false redefinition of the Bible words, that reinserts itself into the Bible by bad translation, to teach itself as Scripture.
2Pe 1:20
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
False. The very act of reading only needs enough basic grammar to know what it is saying, and then believe it, and most importantly do it.
2Co 3:12
Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
James{1:22}
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
1Co 6:18
Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
Fleeing fornication needs no interpretation to know to flee it. Any translation other than flee fornication, such as perhaps possibly/maybe flee fornication under the guise of verb conjugation, is a false doctrine inserted under guise of translation.
2Co 4:2
But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
False. Only blind followers of tradition about Scripture, can be led astray with false tradition against Scripture.
You are promoting an ignoble recipe for failure in the written things of God, as though His words can be 'interpreted' according to one's own cultural and personal surroundings. That kind of 'interpretive' reading of Scripture, is the exactly what is warned against by 2 Peter 1:20.
God does not write for cultural relativism, but for eternal truth of right and wrong, good and evil:
1Jo 1:1
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;...This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
2Ti 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Jhn 3:21
He that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
That is why He writes Scripture with plain words that any child can understand, without interpretive pseudo-translations...
Bad translations to insert false doctrine into Scripture, is a 'scruple'? Sort of like 'sin' is just a just a 'principle'.
Jews still rejecting Jesus Christ for reaching to the 'cursed' Goyim/Gentiles, is not just a scruple to them.
Knowing the error of Goyim/Gentile helps explain the cause of rejecting Christ. Inserting it into Scripture continues the cause.
Preterism? As in all and many Bible prophecies have already been fulfilled?
No. It's simply understanding the origin of false Christian doctrine of 'Gentile', by a false Jewish redefinition of 'Goyim'.
It helps explain why the prophecy of Christ's rejection, suffering, and crucifixion at the hands of His own people, was fulfilled when He came to His people and preached Abraham's covenant of faith after the Spirit, not by birth of the flesh...
It's not even a bad translation; if anything it is a bad understanding of the context.... those hebrew/latin/english words are all derived into "nations" people are just disagreeing with you on whether Israel is included in that context.
Not really... everybody understands why they rejected him. He didn't meet a lot of their wrong expectations, and reaching out to the gentiles was the least of the things they would've thought he did wrong. The Pharisees barely mention that in the bible, if they do at all.
Well, you were getting into prophecy/eschatology there, talking about Christ's second coming; and I can't really tell what eschatological framework you were trying to reject there.
You've added so much to the Scripture that it's going to take a while to sort it out.
smh...
You've spent several minutes explaining your gross misinterpretation of 2 Peter 1:20-21. Perhaps you should read it again--several times--and dispense with your interpretations.
While this verse does tell us that the Holy Spirit will guide us into truth, it does not actually support your assertion because it says nothing about "right interpretation".
Again, that's not what it says. It says that the prophecy recorded in Scripture is from God. Until you correctly understand the grammatical structure, you won't understand the whole sentence. The subject is prophecy, and in context, it's the prophecies recorded in Scripture.
The text says nothing at all about preaching... and preaching is not prophesying.
No, it's not. The text doesn't address this at all. It says exactly what it says, and that's it. It says that the prophecies recorded in Scripture have their origin in the Holy Spirit, not in the interpretations of humans. Again, the text in question says nothing about preaching.
That's just silly. When preaching, one should only preach what is directly from Scripture or in accord with Scripture, or share personal experience in reference to scriptural principles.
Um, no, He most certainly does not.
Scripture informs correct interpretation of Scripture, but it does not interpret Scripture except in a very few limited cases, such as Jesus explaining certain parables to His disciples.
No. Personal interpretations are never rightly taught as Scripture. Scripture is exclusive, and humans are subject to oversight, error, fatigue, and bias, resulting in incorrect interpretation that, while it might line up with some other passages, fails to line up with all other relevant passages.
Your explanation is far too broad to be sound. One necessarily changes words to translate a message into another language. Otherwise, there would be only one language.
Wow.... How did you learn what "grammar" means, except by someone teaching you? What if they were also ignorant, and taught you the incorrect meaning; how then could you understand "grammar"? Words have no intrinsic meaning; they have meaning by their common usage.
You couldn't have used a worse example. Ask anyone under 30 without a Church background what "fleeing fornication" means, and you will probably get a blank stare in response. Archaic language is as meaningless as foreign language. As for your conclusion, it is ridiculous. "Do not engage in sexual contact outside of marriage" is MUCH clearer than "flee fornication", and definitely is not "false doctrine". Conjugation has nothing to do with it... except that the word "conjugate" has a double meaning!
smh...
I don't think you could have missed the point more thoroughly.
Dead wrong. I have explained what the passage means. You have grossly misinterpreted it by importing a boatload of irrelevance.
Terribly wrong again. What does "dark saying" mean? What does "the number of his name" mean? Children might grasp the individual words but only a linguistic savant will understand the concepts.
You've spent several minutes explaining your gross misinterpretation of 2 Peter 1:20-21. Perhaps you should read it again--several times--and dispense with your interpretations.
Well said. I've arrived at the same conclusion. No one is saying that the nations of the earth are not being contrasted by Scripture, with one nation having covenant of God, vs all the other nations without covenant. But they are all together nations of the earth.
The error is the use of the doctrine of 'Gentiles', which is not grammatical but doctrinal. It's man's doctrine of the Gentiles, not 'Bible' Gentiles. It's a doctrine inserted into the Bible, that is made from a false redefinition of Bible Goyim.
Both Bible covenant doctrine and prophecy is made clear by ridding Scripture of the false grammar and doctrine of 'Gentile', and just translating Gioyim/Ethnoi correctly as nation/nations.
And no one is denying the covenant difference between nations made by God in Scripture. Nor is anyone saying that such a inserted doctrine has not become common definition and tradition in dictionaries and in Christianity:
Ex 1:
Gentile: a person who is not Jewish.
This is a correct definition based upon a redefinition of Goyim. It's not a Bible definition. Nowhere in the Bible does God speak of non-Covenant nations as being non-Jews, but only as being not part of His covenant on earth.
That's why the covenant of the risen Christ is perverted by calling it God's covenant with the 'Gentiles', as though it's not a covenant with Jews, which is false.
And worse, That's why some Christians calling themselves Christian 'Gentiles' perverts the covenant of Christ, as though being segregated between Jews and non-Jews, and Gentiles vs Jews.
Ex 2:
Gentile : a person of a non-Jewish nation or of non-Jewish faith
especially : a Christian as distinguished from a Jew.
There is no such thing as God having a 'Jews' nor 'Gentiles' covenant on earth, where they exclude one another between Jews and non-Jews.
The Bible speaks of the Jews law, traditions, and religion during the life of Jesus and after His crucifixion. But that is not Scripture confirming them as His covenant made with Abraham by circumcision, and the Israeli nation by law.
Ex 3:
Gentile: in the Bible non Jewish people and nations.
Once again, Gentile is not from the Bible, and is only in the Bible because of doctrinal translations, that are false. Latter day Jews redefined a Bible word 'Goyim' as non-Jews, and some Christians later made up the word 'Gentile' for it.
Ex 4:
Gentile: In the OT Bible people and nations not in the covenant of the Jews.
This is worst of all. It first says that 'Gentiles' were not in covenant with the God of Israel, which is a lie, beginning specifically with Rahab, and most importantly with Ruth. It also lies about the covenant of God with Abraham and Israel, as being a 'Jewish' covenant, rather than a covenant by circumcision and law alone.
Promise of land and service to Abraham's seed, is not a promise of God's covenant with natural seed, which would therefore be by natural birth. Which is the great lie.
That is the false natural theology of some nations of history, where God has a special covenant people by birth, that necessarily must exclude all other genealogies, families, and nations on earth.
The purposed redefinition of Goyim by latter day Jews after Malachi, was to separate all non-Jews, not just from themselves naturally, but especially from having covenant with their God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. It's a case of racial eugenics, where their natural seed alone and offspring are favored by God, to the exclusion of all other natural seed and children of men, that are naturally cursed by God.
It's the racial eugenics, where one people and nation are not born of the same one natural seed and blood of all people on earth:
Acts 17:24
God that made the world and all things therein, And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth…
Good spot. Let people talk long enough, and they air their hidden dirty laundry:
' Jewish covenant people' being a covenant of Jews. Which is by natural birth. Which we see so-called 'Gentile' Christians agree with. A segregationist covenant by birth, not by faith alone.
It's the old lie of latter day Jews, who redefined Goyim as non-Jews, who also therefore have no covenant with God because of natural birth.
Speaking of the Jewish covenant people coming into the kingdom, is saying the Jews today have a covenant of their own, which is not old and dead at the cross, but continues to live today: Two covenant heresy, that denies the members of the body of Christ are the only covenant people with the true God.
Nowhere does Scripture ever speak of a Jewish covenant people on earth, much less entering the kingdom of Christ. It's the heretic construct of a made up Goyim/Gentile theology.
There has never been a 'Jewish covenant people'. At least, not with the God of Israel, because He has never had a covenant people by natural birth, but only through faith. The OT covenant was never a Hebrew, Israeli, nor Jewish covenant, but only a covenant of faith in circumcision and law.
The only people in God's covenant were and are the children of Abraham and house of Israel by the faith of Abraham in Christ.
Gal 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Rom 9:6
For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
God's covenant has never been by natural birth. And so no all naturally born of Israel, are the Israel of God by faith. And Paul is more bold, in declaring not all born Jews are not Jews with covenant of God by circumcision:
Rom 2:28
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Those preaching the Jewish covenant people, reject the gospel and NT doctrine of Christ, that says His covenant was always with the people of faith in Him, whether Israeli Jews or Moabite, and never with anyone on earth natural birth, whether Israeli Jew or Syrian.
The gross error of Goyim/Gentile theology, is claiming the true God ever has a covenant with a people of 'special' natural birth: Theological eugenics. So that there is a 'Jewish covenant people' vs a 'Gentile covenant people'...
Exactly again and well said.
The whole error of a 'Jewish covenant people', is that the Jews are specially beloved by God, as opposed to other people, because of being natural born of the OT fathers. It rejects Bible doctrine and gospel:
Gen 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Jhn 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhn 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name. Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
God's covenant with any person on earth has nothing to do with their natural seed:
Jhn 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Act 17:24
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
Romans 11 is not at all saying, that Israel after the flesh is specially beloved of God. All God's creatures are beloved by creation and birth:
Rev 4:11
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
The context of Romans 11 is only that the natural Israel- Jews are still beloved by God the same as all the world created by Him, and so can be grafted again into His Israel by faith.
Romans 11 rebukes the pseudo-Christian lie, that all natural Jews are now cast away from God, by birth of them that had Jesus slain. Romans 11 does not confirm their old lie, that the natural Jews are still special to God by birth of the fathers...
The fathers were not beloved by natural seed of Abraham, but beloved by the faith of Abraham toward the God, which included Uriah the Hittite, and Naaman the Syrian...
Rom 11:28
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Context:
Rom 11:1
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:22
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
As touching the gospel, they are enemies by unbelief, but as touching the covenant, they are still beloved the same as all people, including God's enemies.
God will still show His goodness to the Jews and the Greeks, who repent to believe His gospel, and will be grafted into His kingdom of Israel in Christ Jesus.
If any are elect with covenant of God by natural birth of their fathers, whether Jew or Greek, then the gospel and doctrine of Christ is false:
Jhn 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhn 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name. Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Acts{3:19}
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
The only mention of natural birth, is to show that Israeli Jews also can enter into the kingdom of Christ. Not that the election is by natural birth.
Any election by natural birth for a covenant people, is the lie of theological eugenics, not Scriptural election and covenant with God and Christ.
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Context:
Rom 11:1
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:22
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
As touching the gospel, they are enemies by unbelief, but as touching the covenant, they are still beloved the same as all people, including God's enemies.
God will still show His goodness to the Jews and the Greeks, who repent to believe His gospel, and will be grafted into His kingdom of Israel in Christ Jesus.
If any are elect with covenant of God by natural birth of their fathers, whether Jew or Greek, then the gospel and doctrine of Christ is false:
Jhn 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhn 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name. Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Acts{3:19}
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
The only mention of natural birth, is to show that Israeli Jews also can enter into the kingdom of Christ. Not that the election is by natural birth.
Any election by natural birth for a covenant people, is the lie of theological eugenics, not Scriptural election and covenant with God and Christ.