When Abraham was commanded to offer up Issac as a sacrifice, what was Abraham's evidence that God would make good on his covenant promises to him re his Son Issac in spite of such a command?
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
- Thread starter LifelongLearner
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
When Abraham was commanded to offer up Issac as a sacrifice, what was Abraham's evidence that God would make good on his covenant promises to him re his Son Issac in spite of such a command?
If you want to have a joke it's allowed in my book, but you really dont come across as being that interested.This has been fun. We should do it again sometime.
The spiritual things of God are Bible teachings.
If the natural man walks into a church and listens to a message intended for born again believers?
He will find what he hears to be foolishness. He would be hostile to it, to think he were to join such a group of people.
When a person is being drawn by God, they will be taught about themselves and how their life pertains
in contrast to God's character. They are not aware of what is happening. It is just as if they began having a thought designed to stimulate their own thoughts. It is not like one being seated in a church hearing the Bible being taught.
I believe while someone is being drawn, they become exposed to their ability to sin that they never knew about themselves. That is the Spirit convicting them about sin. They will become depravity conscious...
That is when they may seek to become deliverance conscious, and begin to seek a way to escape the depravity that they are now aware lurks in them. They may try psychology, philosophy, secular cults..etc.
Or they may listen to the voice of demons and make themselves a part of a self-justifying mind-set promoting some evil.
Might even be a college professor they seek to learn from, who will rationalize and justify their particular area of depravity.
The drawing is God working in a person, so the person can be made conscious of having a need to be saved from himself. Being drawn is not about spiritual things. Its about having a rude awakening about oneself and one's shortcomings and potential for evil.
When the phase of being drawn has been completed by God?
Then - The Gospel might be presented, in a manner according to what they person had been able to accept about himself concerning his ability for depravity.
Those things revealed during being drawn were not spiritual things to be seen as foolishness.
Spiritual things are Bible teachings that can only to be appreciated after regeneration has taken hold.
In Christ.... GeneZ
For the same reason that he denied Christ three times. I wonder if St. Pete's faith ever grew? I wonder why Christians are exhorted numerous time to grow in grace and knowledge of the Lord.
Keep in mind.
What you condemn will be used against you, if you are doing the same things unawares.
That is why the drawing of God must come first to create such a need for the Gospel.
You need to do some serious work on improving your self-awareness! You just contradicted yourself in the paragraph in highlighted and you're oblivious to it. Conviction of personal sin is not a spiritual issue? And one's relentless proclivity for sinning is not a spiritual issue? If these aren't spiritual issues, then what are they?
Interested in an endless debate of something that has the complexity of which neither party could possibly understand? You are correct. I am not interested. If this debate ever ends, which it probably won’t, you will come away with a stronger belief that we don’t have free will and the other party will have a stronger belief that we do have free will. And whether we have free will or not won’t change. Is what it is.
And I not only condemn closed-mindedness, but open-mindedness as well; for both are fraught with pitfalls.
Actually, the "drawing of God" does not come first. What logically and biblically precedes any and all drawing of men to Christ is God's gift of those men to Christ. No one would be drawn to Him if they had not been given to Him.
Obviously you haven't listened, here it is.
John 1
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the [e]right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Understand that mans free will lives in the flesh that is corrupted.
Genesis 6:12
King James Bible
And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth
Not a conscious spiritual issue.
God works in our thoughts.
I do something wrong and feel bad about it?
Is that a spiritual issue to you???
Learning about the Deity of Christ is a spiritual truth.
Believing that a man named Jesus was walking the earth 2000 years ago is a historical issue.
You obviously didn’t read the part of my post where I said I was not interested.
You got it Rufus backwards...
No one would be given to him unless he first was fully drawn by God.
Romans 1:18-19, folks were being drawn, but never given to Christ.
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness
of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God
is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
You are a mess.
A confusing mess.
How can you get so many obvious things consistently wrong?
It is the spirit you hooked up with.
And then there is what the Bible has to say on the matter. Some people are interested in that...
I see that @reneweddaybyday has provided you with the necessary correction. It certainly was not the first time nor will it be the last.I believe what the Bible teaches on the will of man, which is that until set free by Jesus, man is
a slave to sin and lover of darkness opposed to the Spiritual things of God toward Whom he is
hostile and incapable of submitting to or obeying, as the flesh cannot please God. And that
without the Spirit of God he can neither receive nor comprehend the Spiritual things of God.
The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians ch 2 v 14
It's more or less a perpetual non stop requirement.
Learning about ourselves is as equally a spiritual issue! Sin isn't a spiritual issue? Our moral conduct isn't a spiritual issue? Unless a sinner learns about his numerous spiritual shortcomings, what other way can he see badly he falls short of the glory of God? How else would he know that he is extremely UNLIKE his Creator!
Rom 1 has nothing to do with God's drawing.
Now go and read Jesus' dialogue beginning with Jn 6:37. Jesus didn't say all whom the Father draws to me will come! Follow the logical flow of the dialogue! Neither did Jesus say that in Jn 17. The Father draws only those whom He gave to Jesus in eternity. Therefore, the giving precedes the drawing.
But it you, who are such a spiritual train wreck, that you cannot see this truth in the Word.