Should the church preach the gospel?

[DallasMan]

Those things are not sin at all.

And yet they are in fact falling short of God's absolute perfection and as such we are cleansed from these imperfections which is what 1 John 1:7 is speaking of if we are abiding in Christ not doing things we know are sinful behavior

God's Word is clear that there is a sin not unto death as we see in 1 John 5:16-17 which is not speaking of the things God's Word calls out as sin as those things must be forsaken and confessed as sin before the Lord before we can be cleansed of those things by the Lord.

1 John 5:16-17
If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death.
There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death

The reason why 1 John 5:16-17 says to not pray for sins unto death is because that person must forsake and confess those sins before then Lord themselves before they can be cleansed of those sins as they have caused the person to be separated from God which is spiritual death

Now the false teachers come along and will claim that if a Christian does a sin unto death, they are still in right standing with God and will still go to Heaven even if they do not forsake and confess their sin before the Lord.

But, they are teaching heresy and are to be ignored

 

[Dino246]

And yet they are in fact falling short of God's absolute perfection and as such we are cleansed from these imperfections which is what 1 John 1:7 is speaking of if we are abiding in Christ not doing things we know are sinful behavior

No, 1 John 1:7 is speaking about sin, unrighteousness, works of evil. It is not speaking about mere "falling short of perfection" in everyday activities or even lifetime professions. It is falling short of God's standard of perfect righteousness.

Confuse the two, and you condemn everyone for every little thing. We have no need to repent of mere everyday imperfections, but rather of our evil thoughts and actions.

 

[DallasMan]

No, 1 John 1:7 is speaking about sin, unrighteousness, works of evil.

That's the false teaching that all of our sins are automatically forgiven whether we confess them or forsake them or not.
This is heresy that leads so many to go ahead and live in sin thinking they are still saved.

1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Being cleansed automatically is only applicable to those walking in the light as the Lord is in the light

The Lord is not doing things that God's Word calls out as sinful behavior so 1 John 1:7 is definitely not saying those walking after the flesh are automatically cleansed of all their sin since God's Word does not teach that walking after the flesh is walking in light as the Lord is walking in the light which is referring to walking after the Spirit not after the flesh.

Only the false teachers who embrace the heresy of ''once saved always saved' seek to find ways to continue living in sin walking after the flesh claiming they are automatically cleansed of their willing sinful behavior.

Even if they aren't living in sin in their own lives, they spread the lie that all sin is automatically forgiven so no need to repent of sin and confess sin to the Lord to be cleansed spoken of in Proverbs 28:13 and 1 John 1:9 - and thru their spreading of this lie they cause others to stumble by spreading the heresy of OSAS

You make Jesus out to be the minister of sin

Galatians 2:17
But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

You might want to repent of this heresy soon rather than later seeing your time is short.

 

[Dino246]

That's the false teaching that all of our sins are automatically forgiven whether we confess them or forsake them or not.
...

You might want to repent of this heresy soon rather than later seeing your time is short.

Wow... you don't read too good.

Did I say ANYTHING AT ALL about not confessing or forsaking sin? No. Don't be a self-righteous twit.

 

[wattie]

In a way sin is imperfection but not in our view. Sin is defined as missing the mark. The mark is perfection as that is what it takes to be in His presence. So anything outside of the mark would be imperfect. Of course that only counts for moral actions or thoughts as it would not be a sin to build an imperfect piece of furniture. I don’t believe God cares that all the table legs are the exact length. He looks at our hearts and not whether we are good carpenters or baseball players. His view of imperfection would be different from our view.

In his eyes our mistakes are sins. That is why we needed the perfect sacrifice to make up for our imperfection. We are imperfect and we are sinners being a sinner is one who sins. You don’t have to live in sin to be a sinner. A liar is a liar whether he lies once a month or every hour. To not be a sinner would mean you were perfect in God’s eyes and wouldn’t need His sacrifice. The ridiculous are those who believe they do not sin but for some reason believe they still need His sacrifice.

I fully know I’m a sinner and will be imperfect til the day I leave this body. I used to not even see the target and could’ve care less that there was even a target there, but now His Spirit like a coach helps me to aim. He showed me the target and continues to help me hold the bow steady. I still miss the target more than I would like but the difference is I in my desire to hit the target. His Spirit doesn’t change what you do or what you’re able to do. You do that. He changes what your desire to do is.

Exactly..this is what I mean

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Part 1



I remember a man that used to complain about hearing the gospel at my public meetings I held at various public places. People from all religions attended, New Agers, Atheists, Christians, Hebrew Roots, and undeclared.

I covered many topics for roughly an hour to an hour and a half, show documentaries and follow with fellowship. At the end I
He often shared the gospel.
None of the topics held so much as a raindrop of importance to the ocean of importance of the gospel.

The man who complained about hearing the gospel was the Hebrew Roots guy who never believed it. His habit was to not show up until the meeting was nearly over, which was the time I preached the good news if I was going to. He was offended by the gospel. His faith was in his obedience to the law. I wish he did make Christ Jesus the sole Object of his faith.

The atheist wondered why I was so religious, which was fine. She came for food friends and fellowship instead.

This wasn't a church mind you.
However, I have held special meetings in churches and many lost show up so they do hear the gospel .
The saved get fed with the word in 90% and the lost have opportunity to get saved.
It's surprising that there are a lot of unbelievers in many evangelical churches.

I noticed that Paul kept the gospel at the forefront of churches he started. However, there were times that some kept in and deceived believers with false gospels. Ie. Galatians.
However he wanted to feed them with meat. Ie. Corinthians and Hebrews

The churches job is to go into the world to preach the gospel and the pastors should study to show themselves approved unto God. They are to reprove, rebuke and exhort with doctrine. They are also supposed to do the work of an evangelist.

 

[DallasMan]

The churches job is to go into the world to preach the gospel and the pastors should study to show themselves approved unto God. They are to reprove, rebuke and exhort with doctrine. They are also supposed to do the work of an evangelist.

Actually it's the entire Body of Christ that is to be perfected for the work of the ministry

We shouldn't treat Christianity like a spectator sport rooting for our favorite preachers to go out and do all the ministry while we sit in the stands watching

Ephesians 4:11,12
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

 

[Dino246]

Actually it's the entire Body of Christ that is to be perfected for the work of the ministry

Ephesians 4:11,12
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

The newer translations all say "equipping" or "preparing" rather than the archaic "perfecting" which implies something different than what the word means today.

 

[DallasMan]

The newer translations all say "equipping" or "preparing" rather than the archaic "perfecting" which implies something different than what the word means today.

Yeah, satan changes many things the Lord says in His word thru so called modern translations

Perfect is the correct word to use:

2 Corinthians 11:2
For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

Hebrews 12:23
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of
just men made perfect

2 Corinthians 13:11
Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be
with you.

Ephesians 4:13
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the
stature of the fulness of Christ:

Philippians 3:15
Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this
unto you.

Colossians 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man
perfect in Christ Jesus:

Colossians 4:12
Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand
perfect and complete in all the will of God.

1 Thessalonians 3:10
Night and day praying exceedingly that we might see your face, and might perfect that which is lacking in your faith?

2 Timothy 3:17
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Hebrews 2:10
For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of
their salvation perfect through sufferings.

Hebrews 5:9
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Hebrews 7:19
For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Hebrews 9:9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make
him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

Hebrews 10:1
For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which
they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

Hebrews 11:40
God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

Hebrews 13:21
Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to
whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

James 1:4
But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

James 1:25
But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work,
this man shall be blessed in his deed.

James 2:22
Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

James 3:2
For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.

1 Peter 5:10
But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you
perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

1 John 4:17
Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

1 John 4:18
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

Revelation 3:2
Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

 

[Dino246]

Yeah, satan changes many things the Lord says in His word thru so called modern translations

Wrong at the start. Let's see what other errors you've embraced....

Perfect is the correct word to use:

2 Corinthians 11:2 etc...

Quoting an abundance of citations from the same old translation proves NOTHING.

 

[DallasMan]

Wrong at the start. Let's see what other errors you've embraced....

That explains your false doctrine as you aren't aware that satan has been changing what people believe God said thru the so called "modern translations"

Now we know what's going on with you. Deception.

Quoting an abundance of citations from the same old translation proves NOTHING.

That's what the demons keep proclaiming in their efforts to get people to start believing the so called "modern translations"

I get it, you want to run with the kool kids believing all kinds of false doctrine such as being gay is A-0K, Some people were put in the wrong body type (transgenderism), abortion is a "blessing from god" (it's actually a curse from the god of this world), and of course your favorite deception that Christians can continue living in sin and still be saved only to lose a couple of rewards for their disobedience.

The so called "modern translations" contains deception and the slow ones don't even know it.

 

[BillG]

That explains your false doctrine as you aren't aware that satan has been changing what people believe God said thru the so called "modern translations"

Now we know what's going on with you. Deception.





That's what the demons keep proclaiming in their efforts to get people to start believing the so called "modern translations"

I get it, you want to run with the kool kids believing all kinds of false doctrine such as being gay is A-0K, Some people were put in the wrong body type (transgenderism), abortion is a "blessing from god" (it's actually a curse from the god of this world), and of course your favorite deception that Christians can continue living in sin and still be saved only to lose a couple of rewards for their disobedience.

The so called "modern translations" contains deception and the slow ones don't even know it. View attachment 283704

Can you prove the accusations that @Dino246 believes or has said what you have accused him off?

 

[DallasMan]

Can you prove the accusations that @Dino246 believes or has said what you have accused him off?

Go look at all his posts, he believes that a Christian will go to Heaven even if they continue living in sin meaning that can be gay, celebrate abortion, etc etc and still be saved.

He's a big believer in the doctrines of demons commonly called "once saved always saved" what some call "eternal security"

Sure he'll claim he does not believe in living in sin and then he'll turn right around and contradict himself claiming once saved always saved is true even if a person is living in sin or goes back to living in sin.

 

[BillG]

Go look at all his posts, he believes that a Christian will go to Heaven even if they continue living in sin meaning that can be gay, celebrate abortion, etc etc and still be saved.

He's a big believer in the doctrines of demons commonly called "once saved always saved" what some call "eternal security"

Sure he'll claim he does not believe in living in sin and then he'll turn right around and contradict himself claiming once saved always saved is true even if a person is living in sin or goes back to living in sin.

How do you define living in sin?

 

[Dino246]

That explains your false doctrine as you aren't aware that satan has been changing what people believe God said thru the so called "modern translations"

Now we know what's going on with you. Deception.

I've dealt with the KJV-only stupidity for years. Your dismissal is baseless.

I get it, you want to run with the kool kids believing all kinds of false doctrine such as being gay is A-0K, Some people were put in the wrong body type (transgenderism), abortion is a "blessing from god" (it's actually a curse from the god of this world), and of course your favorite deception that Christians can continue living in sin and still be saved only to lose a couple of rewards for their disobedience.

Now you've crossed the line into slander. You have two options open to you: prove your accusations with evidence, or repent and retract them.... publicly. Failure to do either within 24 hours will result in your post being reported to the moderators.

 

[Dino246]

Go look at all his posts, he believes that a Christian will go to Heaven even if they continue living in sin meaning that can be gay, celebrate abortion, etc etc and still be saved.

He's a big believer in the doctrines of demons commonly called "once saved always saved" what some call "eternal security"

Sure he'll claim he does not believe in living in sin and then he'll turn right around and contradict himself claiming once saved always saved is true even if a person is living in sin or goes back to living in sin.

Prove it with actual evidence.

 

[BillG]

Go look at all his posts, he believes that a Christian will go to Heaven even if they continue living in sin meaning that can be gay, celebrate abortion, etc etc and still be saved.

He's a big believer in the doctrines of demons commonly called "once saved always saved" what some call "eternal security"

Sure he'll claim he does not believe in living in sin and then he'll turn right around and contradict himself claiming once saved always saved is true even if a person is living in sin or goes back to living in sin.

I asked you if you could prove the above.
Go find the evidence, if there is not any then you need to apologise.

 

[DallasMan]

I asked you if you could prove the above.

Already answered.

Go ask him if he believes in once saved always saved.

He'll say yes and there's your proof.

You should apologize to the Lord for not recognizing once saved always saved as being false doctrine.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

One thing is very clear from this thread.
The churches some attend do Not preach the Gospel.

I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Galatians

 

[BillG]

Already answered.

Go ask him if he believes in once saved always saved.

He'll say yes and there's your proof.

You should apologize to the Lord for not recognizing once saved always saved as being false doctrine.

You are the one who should apologise for your arrogance, ignorance, attacks, attitude and lack conversations and being on your high horse.

You need to ask rather than accuse and change your church as your theology and understanding is lacking.
you will soon be reported.