The New Covenant Is Not What Many Have Been Taught

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If grace means you do not need to keep the Commandments that is exactly what it means,
"" you just need to say "I believe" and you are go to go"???
because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” -- Romans 10:9-11
 
because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” -- Romans 10:9-11


So you just ignore the other scriptures??

like when Christ told the rich man if he wanted eternal life Keep the commandments, Oh I for got most of the 40,000 believe there is one way for gentiles and another for Jews. God set up two ways --- another lie

Something to understand from this, the rich man did not ask how to get to heaven. heaven is not salvation.
 
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mem do you not understand we were in bondage to the penalty of death for transgression, not in bondage to law.
 
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So you just ignore the other scriptures??
Did I say that? No, I didn't.
like when Christ told the rich man if he wanted eternal life Keep the commandments
The rich man's heart was not changed. That's why he walked away. If it had been changed, he would've done what Jesus said. Living faith produces good works.
Oh I for got most of the 40,000 believe there is one way for gentiles and another for Jews. God set up two ways --- another lie
Still telling the 40K lie.
Something to understand from this, the rich man did not ask how to get to heaven. heaven is not salvation.
Heaven is the ultimate destination for those who are saved.
 
BUT vassal here needed the commandments to know when he was sinning. I guess some people are that way. :unsure:
Like Paul...

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”
 
So you just ignore the other scriptures??

like when Christ told the rich man if he wanted eternal life Keep the commandments, Oh I for got most of the 40,000 believe there is one way for gentiles and another for Jews. God set up two ways --- another lie

Something to understand from this, the rich man did not ask how to get to heaven. heaven is not salvation.
Can you show from scripture where Jesus told anyone other than Jews to keep the law?
 
Can you show from scripture where Jesus told anyone other than Jews to keep the law?

Mat 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law
 
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This is the distinction the Scriptures give. The old covenant was the Ten Commandments written on stone and heard at Sinai. The new covenant is the same Ten Commandments written on the heart by the Holy Spirit, joined with the forgiveness and life that come through the blood of Jesus. Jesus confirmed the commandments by His teachings, kept them perfectly in His life, and through the Spirit He gives, He enables His people to keep them from the heart. The kingdom grows as the word spreads, but only the true believers receive the Spirit now and have God’s commandments written within them until the day He returns.

Nope, not to the obtaining of salvation if that's your point. No one can "keep them from the heart". Christ satisfied everything necessary for salvation on the behalf of those whom He chose to salvation - for those He places under the New Covenant. Salvation is a completely free gift to them given from/by an exceeding gracious and merciful God through Jesus Christ, who alone, is Savior. Nothing whatsoever is required from them in order to become or to remain saved. The Old Covenant, the one replaced, instead had to be satisfied/maintained to the required level by the works of those under it.

[Heb 7:11-12, 18-19, 22, 25 KJV]
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need [was there] that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. ...
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope [did]; by the which we draw nigh unto God. ...
22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. ...
25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

God completely satisfied all of the stipulations of the New Covenant for salvation, with man only a recipient. It is not a question of where the law is written or of what that law is, but rather, if there are any at all that must be satisfied to become or remain saved; that is, all requirements for salvation have been completely eliminated by Christ's sacrifice alone - and that is what makes it by grace. The purpose of the writing of the New Covenant into the heart, is to make those who become saved to be able to discern the basis of their salvation, that they have been saved by God's grace alone through Christ and to edify others with it.

[Heb 8:9-13 KJV]
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13 In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away.

[Heb 9:14-15, 28 KJV]
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions [that were] under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. ...
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

[Heb 10:10, 12, 14, 16-18 KJV]
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all]. ...
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; ...
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. ...
16 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these [is, there is] no more offering for sin.

Which law(s) does God place into the heart and mind? The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, along with laws of mercy and grace that proceed from it. But when He does so, by Him placing them under it, they are saved - so that which is written into the heart aren't the Ten Commandments.

[Rom 8:2 KJV] 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
 
Can you show from scripture where Jesus told anyone other than Jews to keep the law?

Cameron


your question shows you have accepted the lie that only Jews have to obey the torah and gentiles do not,

think about that.. does that mean gentiles can commit adultery? is it fine if they murder? and steal???

What folks refuse to understand if the whole world kept the 10 Commandments, the entire world would be at peace.

one problem is number 4, another most do not want to be told what they can and can not do. Just look at the children of Israel, they saw miracles yet they still could not obey.

I just watched a youtube, there are high up bible scholars ready to show Paul has been misunderstood, that he taught the Torah is to be obeyed and the Sabbath as well. this will cause war among the 40,000 flavors
 
Mat 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law
Who was Jesus talking to in that verse?

Who was James talking to in that verse?
 
Nope, not to the obtaining of salvation if that's your point. No one can "keep them from the heart". Christ satisfied everything necessary for salvation on the behalf of those whom He chose to salvation - for those He places under the New Covenant. Salvation is a completely free gift to them given from/by an exceeding gracious and merciful God through Jesus Christ, who alone, is Savior. Nothing whatsoever is required from them in order to become or to remain saved. The Old Covenant, the one replaced, instead had to be satisfied/maintained to the required level by the works of those under it.

[Heb 7:11-12, 18-19, 22, 25 KJV]
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need [was there] that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. ...
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope [did]; by the which we draw nigh unto God. ...
22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. ...
25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

God completely satisfied all of the stipulations of the New Covenant for salvation, with man only a recipient. It is not a question of where the law is written or of what that law is, but rather, if there are any at all that must be satisfied to become or remain saved; that is, all requirements for salvation have been completely eliminated by Christ's sacrifice alone - and that is what makes it by grace. The purpose of the writing of the New Covenant into the heart, is to make those who become saved to be able to discern the basis of their salvation, that they have been saved by God's grace alone through Christ and to edify others with it.

[Heb 8:9-13 KJV]
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13 In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away.

[Heb 9:14-15, 28 KJV]
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions [that were] under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. ...
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

[Heb 10:10, 12, 14, 16-18 KJV]
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all]. ...
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; ...
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. ...
16 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these [is, there is] no more offering for sin.

Which law(s) does God place into the heart and mind? The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, along with laws of mercy and grace that proceed from it. But when He does so, by Him placing them under it, they are saved - so that which is written into the heart aren't the Ten Commandments.

[Rom 8:2 KJV] 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

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""Which law(s) does God place into the heart and mind? The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, along with laws of mercy and grace that proceed from it. ""

Sorry go to Strong's and look up the word Law that is used in Jeremiah 31: 33 I will put my law in
#8451
torah: law, instruction, laws
Original Word: תּוֹרָה
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: towrah
Pronunciation: toh-RAH

I wish folks could understand Christ did not set us free from the Law , He set us free from the penalty of death we all have earned by transgressing God's Holy Law -- He payed our penalty so we could life forever.
1 john 3
4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
 
Cameron


your question shows you have accepted the lie that only Jews have to obey the torah and gentiles do not,

think about that.. does that mean gentiles can commit adultery? is it fine if they murder? and steal???

What folks refuse to understand if the whole world kept the 10 Commandments, the entire world would be at peace.

one problem is number 4, another most do not want to be told what they can and can not do. Just look at the children of Israel, they saw miracles yet they still could not obey.

I just watched a youtube, there are high up bible scholars ready to show Paul has been misunderstood, that he taught the Torah is to be obeyed and the Sabbath as well. this will cause war among the 40,000 flavors
That's a pretty big assumption based on a single question. Can you please answer my question?
 
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""Which law(s) does God place into the heart and mind? The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, along with laws of mercy and grace that proceed from it. ""

Sorry go to Strong's and look up the word Law that is used in Jeremiah 31: 33 I will put my law in
#8451
torah: law, instruction, laws
Original Word: תּוֹרָה
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: towrah
Pronunciation: toh-RAH

I wish folks could understand Christ did not set us free from the Law , He set us free from the penalty of death we all have earned by transgressing God's Holy Law -- He payed our penalty so we could life forever.
1 john 3
4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

The whole point is that the "law" was changed by God under the New Covenant. See the verses in my post

[Rom 6:14 KJV] 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
[Gal 3:10 KJV] 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
[Gal 4:21 KJV] 21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
[Gal 5:18 KJV] 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

[Gal 4:25-26 KJV]
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
 
Who was Jesus talking to in that verse?

Who was James talking to in that verse?


That letter from James was sent to 7 churches, all gentiles.
I just thought of this, I don't remember any Jewish churches except the one in Jerusalem and I am certain there were gentiles in it. Cornelius for one
 
That letter from James was sent to 7 churches, all gentiles.
I just thought of this, I don't remember any Jewish churches except the one in Jerusalem and I am certain there were gentiles in it. Cornelius for one

I forgot Jesus, since you are reading the Words of Jesus Christ, He has spoken them to you!
 
comment:

""Which law(s) does God place into the heart and mind? The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, along with laws of mercy and grace that proceed from it. ""

Sorry go to Strong's and look up the word Law that is used in Jeremiah 31: 33 I will put my law in
#8451
torah: law, instruction, laws
Original Word: תּוֹרָה
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: towrah
Pronunciation: toh-RAH

I wish folks could understand Christ did not set us free from the Law , He set us free from the penalty of death we all have earned by transgressing God's Holy Law -- He payed our penalty so we could life forever.
1 john 3
4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

because Christ became the new eternal High Priest therefore it was not possible the Jewish priests would remain. With the priesthood being changed, the law also had to change because the respective law accompanied the respective priesthood - it accompanies those who would minister it - in this case Christ
 
The whole point is that the "law" was changed by God under the New Covenant. See the verses in my post

[Rom 6:14 KJV] 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
[Gal 3:10 KJV] 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
[Gal 4:21 KJV] 21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
[Gal 5:18 KJV] 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

[Gal 4:25-26 KJV]
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.


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Please use common sense, is Paul telling us we are no longer "subject" to the Torah, we not longer have to obey it?
Then if that were true I can now go out and have sex with as many women as I would like and if I run in to a man I do no like I can kill him.

Without Law no society works and if the entire world kept just a few of the 10 there would be world peace.

Satan is the one that hates the Torah and refuses to obey it and has deceived men in to hating it too and look where we are at this moment ---- world war three is coming fast.
 
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Please use common sense, is Paul telling us we are no longer "subject" to the Torah, we not longer have to obey it?
Then if that were true I can now go out and have sex with as many women as I would like and if I run in to a man I do no like I can kill him.

Without Law no society works and if the entire world kept just a few of the 10 there would be world peace.

Satan is the one that hates the Torah and refuses to obey it and has deceived men in to hating it too and look where we are at this moment ---- world war three is coming fast.

You're the one not using sense, spiritual sense, that is. If what you're saying were true, then no one could ever become saved. Salvation is to be justified by what Christ did - by His works and His righteousness- not by us or by our works or our righteousness. That is not to say that those saved should live immorally, but neither it is a prerequisite for salvation. Look at King David and Saul/Paul. Paul called himself the chief of sinners
After salvation, however, God changes those He saves to live God glorifying lives but that is from salvation, not to salvation.
 
because Christ became the new eternal High Priest therefore it was not possible the Jewish priests would remain. With the priesthood being changed, the law also had to change because the respective law accompanied the respective priesthood - it accompanies those who would minister it - in this case Christ

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Sorry if that were true then why is Ezekiel telling us the levites will again be working in the third temple that will be built after Christ has returned?
Ezekiel 43 and on explain it all

Paul also explains the ONLY change to the New Covenant is with the Promises, every thing else remains the same.