Saved by faith alone?

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As I notice the pinned advisory for "'Hyper Grace' and preachers of the doctrine..." (the last post of only 2 approaching its 10th anniversary soon)
I suppose it's just inherent to the craft, but I can't help but also notice an underlying "Hyper Works" designation being assumed in its opposition.

In any case, it's all only working out to display our collective imbalance.
 
rogerg said:
You missed the part where I said that God does not want everyone to become saved - that was never in His plan. If it were, then it would be dependent upon them and not upon Christ alone. So, while you say you believe that Jesus is the "only way," your post seems to say otherwise - that it is actually by Jesus plus, which means that it isn't by Jesus. So, again, until and unless you can hold open the possibility that all - every part - of salvation is entirely through His grace without the contribution of man, I think the fundamentals between us are just too vast to be reconcilable at this point. However, should your point of view change, where you are honestly willing to least accept that as a possibility, let me know and we can discuss further then, although it can all be summed up with the following: that Jesus Christ alone is the Savior. Otherwise, any discussion would just devolve into a debate between opposing points of view leading nowhere and waste time and effort for both of us.
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Yes, I honestly view TULIP as fundamental heresy for contradicting the Gospel of God's grace, love and righteousness
and making Him responsible for sin, which I explain systematically on the Resolving Problematic Interpretations of Scripture thread.

Our difference can be summed up with the following: You cannot honestly claim people knew the name of Jesus before his advent.

BTW, did you receive any gifts at Christmas? Did you open them? Was opening them not a plus?
 
Mem said:
As I notice the pinned advisory for "'Hyper Grace' and preachers of the doctrine..." (the last post of only 2 approaching its 10th anniversary soon)
I suppose it's just inherent to the craft, but I can't help but also notice an underlying "Hyper Works" designation being assumed in its opposition.

In any case, it's all only working out to display our collective imbalance.
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Hyperworks would be something like extreme legalism or Pelagianism. I haven't seen that kind of thing here in a long while. There are still posters here with hypergrace sentiments, but they avoid using that word for the obvious reason.
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Hyperworks would be something like extreme legalism or Pelagianism. I haven't seen that kind of thing here in a long while. There are still posters here with hypergrace sentiments, but they avoid using that word for the obvious reason.
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Very astute. I guess I am a hyper-opportunist, believing everyone as the opportunity to believe in God and be saved
or else they would not be justly condemned for choosing to believe the lie of Satan/I-dolatry.
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Hyperworks would be something like extreme legalism or Pelagianism. I haven't seen that kind of thing here in a long while. There are still posters here with hypergrace sentiments, but they avoid using that word for the obvious reason.
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:unsure: Do you suppose a Pelagian might view choice to be a work? or the will a matter of law?

GWH said:
Very astute. I guess I am a hyper-opportunist, believing everyone as the opportunity to believe in God and be saved
or else they would not be justly condemned for choosing to believe the lie of Satan/I-dolatry.
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I don't think that there is any avoiding the choice once you are presented with the truth in the face of the lie. I mean, even not choosing is a choice. So, perhaps the free will designation might be more accurately be reclassified as free choice. :unsure:
 
Mem said:
:unsure: Do you suppose a Pelagian might view choice to be a work? or the will a matter of law?

I don't think that there is any avoiding the choice once you are presented with the truth in the face of the lie. I mean, even not choosing is a choice. So, perhaps the free will designation might be more accurately be reclassified as free choice. :unsure:
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Perhaps, but "moral" needs to be included in order to indicate we are talking about a choice between
right and wrong/good and evil/God and Satan that determines a person's eternal destiny per God's plan of salvation.
 
Nehemiah6 said:
You are ignoring what Christ said about the remission of sins.
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. (Luke 24:47). Do you see the word "baptism" here? Repentance leads to remission of sins, and that is exactly what Peter also said: Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord (Acts 3:19) Do you see the words "be baptized" here?

You hold to a false belief about baptism, and now it is time for you to repent of that false belief.
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These scriptures has nothing to do with regard to eternal deliverance, but they have reference to the deliverance (salvation) of those that have the promise of an eternal inheritance. These deliverances are received as they journey here on earth. The promise of an eternal deliverance was given and secured by Christ on the cross for all of those that his Father gave him (John 6:37-40), God did not give him all of mankind, but only those he choose (Eph 1:1-9).
 
GWH said:
Perhaps, but "moral" needs to be included in order to indicate we are talking about a choice between
right and wrong/good and evil/God and Satan that determines a person's eternal destiny per God's plan of salvation.
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Isn't that inherent in the choice though? For example, if anyone chooses evil then they are, by default, declaring it good.
 
Mem said:
Isn't that inherent in the choice though? For example, if anyone chooses evil then they are, by default, declaring it good.
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It is assumed by us, but if someone chooses vanilla ice cream, they will not be condemned for not choosing chocolate,
so I just want to be sure everyone else understands that "the" choice does not include/mean "a" choice/any mundane option.
 
GWH said:
It is assumed by us, but if someone chooses vanilla ice cream, they will not be condemned for not choosing chocolate,
so I just want to be sure everyone else understands that "the" choice does not include/mean "a" choice/any mundane option.
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When the choice is 'the' matter of life or death, it shouldn't be treated with any sort of frivolity. I agree.
 
GWH said:
Yes, I honestly view TULIP as fundamental heresy for contradicting the Gospel of God's grace, love and righteousness
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We honestly view the TULIP Truths as actually setting forth the Gospel of Gods Grace, Love and Righteousness.
 
brightfame52 said:
We honestly view the TULIP Truths as actually setting forth the Gospel of Gods Grace, Love and Righteousness.
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You obviously do not understand what the acronym stands for.

T – total depravity, meaning souls are unable to exercise sufficient MFW to seek salvation.

U – unconditional election, meaning that souls need not satisfy a divine requirement/condition such as faith or repentance,
but God chooses to save some while damning the rest to hell.

L – limited atonement, meaning that Christ died to pay the penalty of sin only for elect souls.

I – irresistible grace, meaning that elect souls cannot resist or refuse God’s will for them to be saved.

P – perseverance of the saints, meaning that the elect cannot repudiate their salvation and commit apostasy, because God perseveres in keeping them saved.

This sets forth the Gospel of Gods Grace, Love and Righteousness how, honestly??
 
Magenta said:
Then faith alone folks get accused of believing OSAS so they can sin all they want.

There seems to be no happy medium...

However if you say, you must be water baptized to obtain salvation,
that is adding the work of human hands to God's work of salvation.
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In your interpretation of the scriptures, When are you saved eternally? Just curious.
 
ForestGreenCook said:
In your interpretation of the scriptures, When are you saved eternally? Just curious.
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Romans 8 verse 29-30; Ephesians 1 verse 5 ~ Those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified. He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will.
 
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